Cleveland

[KillSlim]

I always fear encountering the Cleveland in any ship class. It melts away all my health and sets my ablaze in battleship, it always shoots down a lot of my aircraft in my CV, and it's ROF demolishes destroyers and other cruisers. It's also quick, agile, equipped with a scout plane, and has usable camo. It just seems a bit too powerful ...

 

Please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks the same.

[Devantejah]

You aren't, it's good enough to be at tier 8 without any changes in my eyes.

[KptStrzyga]

Cleveland very stronk tier 9 ship with special MM. Always top tier! 

 

[OVanBruce]

The main problem of Cleaveland for me is that it can dish out steady and good damage no matter where it hits. It's got less probabilities to citadel, that's for sure, but it fires so much and so quickly that it doesn't need that. Now, you can withstand the rain of fire of a Cleaveland on another cruiser and kill it quickly but ONLY if you are good enough to citadel it with each salvo.

 

The conclusion is that you need less skill to be effective on a Cleaveland compared to other cruisers.

 

 

[Aernir]

There's basically 3 ships in the game I'd say are quite silly. The Cleveland, the Fuso and the Des Moines. What all of these ships have in common is that they can put an absurd amount of death in the air in a short span of time. The Cleveland and Des Moines both push out 90 shells per minute, which makes it fairly easy for even a complete lemon to get his shots on target and then start pumping the damage out. The Fuso pushes out 25,2 shells per minute, which is the highest of any BB with a significant margin, the second being the Amagi at 20 shells per minute if memory serves.

 

Since the armor model is still very much a work-in-progress I'd hold off from calling for balance changes yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if some or all of these ships are in for a good whack of the nerf bat in the future.

[Hanszeehock]

I expect the Cleveland will be moved to tier 7, where it belongs ! 

[Orlunu]

It's a known problem and I remember seeing them say already that it will be moved up.

[Armo1000]

It's a known problem and I remember seeing them say already that it will be moved up.

 

 

I will enjoy the ship as much as I can in the mean time.

[Adrian1914]

The places in the tech tree for the Cleveland and the Pensacola don't make any sense to me and they should be switched. Yes I see the WG logic that the Pensacola has the 203mm guns and should be higher tier, but it's not the size that matters - the DPM on the Cleveland as well as the number of guns is just insane and yes it demolishes everything. Also from reading the ship info ingame I see that the Pensacola was built under the Washington naval  treaty limits, while the Cleveland was a more modern ship. Another such example I think of with switched tiers is the Fuso and the Nagato, although there the difference in gun power is not that major as with those cruisers.  

 

I think since we are in a testing phase, WG should switch the places of the Pensacola and the Cleveland for one patch so we can see how it will work out. If it doesn't they can always revert these changes.

[Blue_Bug]

wait tiil the armor patch (next large patch) comes, only at time we can really evaluete ships

[SBS]

wait tiil the armor patch (next large patch) comes, only at time we can really evaluete ships

 

Agreed. The future armor patch can completely change how the ships perform. That doesn't change the fact that currently the Cleveland is a very good ship and will need some changes to remain balanced if things stay as they are.

[chaplainDMK]

How's the Atlanta actually? All the videos I saw it can put out crazy amounts of lead, like 12 rounds per gun per minute, or 168 5" rounds every minute for a full 7 turret broadside.

 

Also wonder how they'll balance the Brookyln class against the Cleveland. 

[conductiv]

wait tiil the armor patch (next large patch) comes, only at time we can really evaluete ships

 

what exactly is the armor patch going to change?

 

because either the armor on most ships is already working, or taking down ships with anything other then torps is going to take ages

[nikos13ole]

The Fact with the clevi is a tier 7 ship in a tier 6 slot

and also the transitioning from the cleveland to the pensacola is a huuuuuuge slap in the face cause the pensacola is older design and it was under the trinity limiting the ship to 10.000 metric tones to Cruisers which has less armor in the favor for the 8 inch but despite the flak the pensacola though is a good training and transition to the other 2 ships New Orleans and Baltimore until the Des Monte with that crazy rof

How's the Atlanta actually? All the videos I saw it can put out crazy amounts of lead, like 12 rounds per gun per minute, or 168 5" rounds every minute for a full 7 turret broadside.

The Atlanta may sound amazing with the RoF but they are 127 mm guns not 152's like the cleveland and also it is max 86 mm of armor on the citadels you DONT want to go against a BB or a heavy cruiser even a mogami 

the atlandas gameplay is mostly hunt DD's with that rof and harash cruisers that are not paying atettion cause you dont have any armor to withstand a good 8 inch guns salvo

[Fenrir2205]

The bane of the Cleveland is the Atlanta,,,, if the atlanta gets close enough that is. Or if you get 6-8 citadel hits in one broadside in your cruiser then you are fine....

[Marxside2018]

Cleveland is the seal clubbers approved tool of choice 2015 :p

[Fenrir2205]

The Fact with the clevi is a tier 7 ship in a tier 6 slot

and also the transitioning from the cleveland to the pensacola is a huuuuuuge slap in the face cause the pensacola is older design and it was under the trinity limiting the ship to 10.000 metric tones to Cruisers which has less armor in the favor for the 8 inch but despite the flak the pensacola though is a good training and transition to the other 2 ships New Orleans and Baltimore until the Des Monte with that crazy rof

The Atlanta may sound amazing with the RoF but they are 127 mm guns not 152's like the cleveland and also it is max 86 mm of armor on the citadels you DONT want to go against a BB or a heavy cruiser even a mogami 

the atlandas gameplay is mostly hunt DD's with that rof and harash cruisers that are not paying atettion cause you dont have any armor to withstand a good 8 inch guns salvo

 

The Atlanta is the perfect Destroyer and cruiser killer,,, as long as they are within 11,11 km. When you can put out 3-4 broadsides before the other ship has even finished reloading and each shot is doing on average 600-700 dmg,,, you kill them fast! But then again the Atlantas turrets are made out of airbubbles.... they get destroyed by 102mm shell from destroyer that hits the ship 1km away from you!

[Conte_Vincero]

The cleavland is far too strong for T6, and while I have been having some fun in it, I do think it should probably be bumped up to T7 or 8 where it belongs

[OVanBruce]

 

The Atlanta is the perfect Destroyer and cruiser killer

 

You oveerstimate the Atlanta.  A few 203 mm shells in the citadel and it pops up like a pinata. A good Mogami can take on 2 Atlantas and live to tell it. 

[Takeda92]

I'm not sure about pepsicola being tier 6 with Aoba without any nerfs. 10 203mm vs 6 203mm, better AA, and ofc course anything has a better citadel than a Japanese cruiser.

Cleveland is comparable to the 155mm Mogami, while cola to the 203mm Mogami. Both of them would tier 7 fine. WG just need to find a replacement for USN tier 6

[conductiv]

 

You oveerstimate the Atlanta.  a few 203 mm guns in the citadel and it pops up like a pinata. A good Mogami can take on 2 Atlantas and live to tell it.

 

whats so bad about the mogami? I have yet to get it..but with 15 155mm guns, and 6 rounds per minute...I'd say thats a lot of metal in the air, on paper it even beats the cleveland in DPM. the 203mm seems a downgrade with 4 RoF and 10 guns...but its otherwise (gun comparably) on par with the pensecola.

 

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Takeda92, on 18 April 2015 - 06:57 PM, said:

I'm not sure about pepsicola being tier 6 with Aoba without any nerfs. 10 203mm vs 6 203mm, better AA, and ofc course anything has a better citadel than a Japanese cruiser.

Cleveland is comparable to the 155mm Mogami, while cola to the 203mm Mogami. Both of them would tier 7 fine. WG just need to find a replacement for USN tier 6

 

alpha strike wise the Aoba would be slightly behind, but its got a high 203mm RoF..5,5 rounds P/min instead of pensecola's 4. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OVanBruce]

 

whats so bad about the mogami? I have yet to get it..but with 15 155mm guns, and 6 rounds per minute...I'd say thats a lot of metal in the air, on paper it even beats the cleveland in DPM. the 203mm seems a downgrade with 4 RoF and 10 guns...but its otherwise (gun comparably) on par with the pensecola.

 

I was actually praising the Mogami. I prefer the 203 mm guns since they give you a better performance than the 155 mm ones if you know how to aim.

[Takeda92]

 

whats so bad about the mogami? I have yet to get it..but with 15 155mm guns, and 6 rounds per minute...I'd say thats a lot of metal in the air, on paper it even beats the cleveland in DPM. the 203mm seems a downgrade with 4 RoF and 10 guns...but its otherwise (gun comparably) on par with the pensecola.

 

The 203mm are great, they can hit hard, turn faster and good against battleship.

 

The problem with Mogami is it's one big citadel. You will often lose huge chucks of HP if you get hit with heavy cruisers or even oneshotted if hit by 41cm guns. Nagato is your main enemy you have to watch out for in that tier.

[Devantejah]

 

I was actually praising the Mogami. I prefer the 203 mm guns since they give you a better performance than the 155 mm ones if you know how to aim.

 

Oh yeah baby, 203mm all the way!

 

Only that weirdo WhiskeyWolf uses the 155!

[conductiv]

 

The 203mm are great, they can hit hard, turn faster and good against battleship.

 

The problem with Mogami is it's one big citadel. You will often lose huge chucks of HP if you get hit with heavy cruisers or even oneshotted if hit by 41cm guns. Nagato is your main enemy you have to watch out for in that tier.

 

that is good to know, because getting instantly blown up would indeed make all the firepower useless