Don’t buy PEF - she sucks hard

[HaachamaShipping]

31 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

Agree with some of your points. Good examples of a “Battlecruisers” style would be: Gascogne, Ashitaka, Ishizuchi and to a degree Mutsu and Scharnhorst.

 

While they are all lacking in a certain way they all pack enough Offensive punch to make a flanking move count. They can reposition and strike hard. They have the speed to disengage if it’s getting too hot. All of that offer carrying potential in its own right.

 

PEF is missing the crucial component of offensive punch. Yes she is easy and comfy to play but isn’t able to fill the BC role. She is only supporting selfishly.

The only thing where Ishizuchi is lackluster is pen. And AA, but it's T4. But it has offenses and defenses that can hardly be called lacking.

 

Also, one thing that is noteworthy with PEF, which most of the listed BBs are missing: PEF can pull flanking maneuvers without fear of getting murdered by any present CV. Most of the others have a much harder time peeling off and doing their own thing without advertising themselves as an easy kill to any semi-competent CV player, something that won't get better with the rework.

 

In general thus, I kind of question the wisdom of such playstyle post-8.0.

[Aragathor]

Dunkerque is going to get a 26s reload. So what's the point of the PEF again? Fast reload? Lulz...

Source: Q&A stream.

[veslingr]

12 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Dunkerque is going to get a 26s reload. So what's the point of the PEF again? Fast reload? Lulz...

Source: Q&A stream.

Dunq = mastercard

PEF = free

[Estaca_de_Bares]

So... the perfect core component for making a vacuum cleaner?

 

Jokes aside, it's not a bad ship for T6 but suffers quite a lot when uptiered. I've put my Bismarck captain (fully secondaries-oriented) and you can chew planes from same tier or lower without (almost) any support, and most cruisers from T7 and below if you don't overpen, which is a big if for her AP shells. You don't really want to fight BBs, not even some below you, if you can't dictate the terms (too far and you can't reliably pen, too close and the turrets of many of them can out-turn yours), nor DDs when on your own near islands.

 

If I were to compare it to another ship, an overweight Hipper/Prinz Eugen tweaked to work two tiers lower could be a way to put it.

 

Salute.

[Miscommunication_dept]

1 hour ago, Aragathor said:

Dunkerque is going to get a 26s reload. So what's the point of the PEF again? Fast reload? Lulz...

Source: Q&A stream.

Where did you hear that?

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, gopher31 said:

Where did you hear that?

 

Was a stream today.

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/31444-some-interesting-info-around-the-world/?do=findComment&comment=2817212

[Jvd2000]

27 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Dunq = mastercard

PEF = free

PEF, good secondaries and AA. Atleast some chance to get away when showing broadside. Actualy hits things...

[HaachamaShipping]

3 minutes ago, Jvd2000 said:

PEF, good secondaries and AA. Atleast some chance to get away when showing broadside. Actualy hits things...

PEF showing broadside is a risky game. Thanks to the PEF spam in the recent weeks, I have gotten citadel ribbons on PEF at close range, at mid range of around 7 km and at long range, with 15.8 km (which was today). It's not IJN, but seriously, this isn't good by any means.

[Jvd2000]

Just now, Seiranko said:

PEF showing broadside is a risky game. Thanks to the PEF spam in the recent weeks, I have gotten citadel ribbons on PEF at close range, at mid range of around 7 km and at long range, with 15.8 km (which was today). It's not IJN, but seriously, this isn't good by any means.

PEF is bad compared with the usual "hard to citadel" german BB's, true.

 

But compared with something like the Dunk i would rather show broadside with the PEF. She is better then most non-german BB's

[HaachamaShipping]

2 minutes ago, Jvd2000 said:

PEF is bad compared with the usual "hard to citadel" german BB's, true.

 

But compared with something like the Dunk i would rather show broadside with the PEF. She is better then most non-german BB's

She isn't really better than the USN and certainly not better than the RN BBs. When I can citadel slightly angled PEF at 7 km with PEF, then I consider that pretty terrible (mostly because it means that you don't need overpen guns to just bunch through the 270 mm belt, 60 mm cit bulkhead and the aledged 25 mm or so of not-displayed armour inbetween that I once heard this ship has (though I'd not be surprised if that's false)).

[Merlin851526]

Just spent a painful evening grinding out some steel in this turd and the worst thing is I'm not finished. The dispersion even for a German BB seems chaotic almost like your not locked on. The guns are utterly useless in my opinion particularly when up tiered which is most of the bloody time. my last game this evening I fired at a broadside Huanghe that was detected in it's smoke less than 4 km. Most of my rounds made beautiful splashes around the cruiser and the few that did hit did little or no damage. In fact the cruisers return fire did more damage to me than I to it.  I have 800 more steel to go and honestly I'm wondering if it's worth the frustration. I'm tempted to just leave it there and put whole thing down to just a bad experience.

[ForlornSailor]

4 hours ago, Merlin851526 said:

I have 800 more steel to go and honestly I'm wondering if it's worth the frustration. I'm tempted to just leave it there and put whole thing down to just a bad experience.

 

So your next mission is the 250.000 damage, right? Just a hint: there is a thing called co-op. Gets the job done nice, quick and without frustration.

[Aragathor]

1 hour ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

So your next mission is the 250.000 damage, right? Just a hint: there is a thing called co-op. Gets the job done nice, quick and without frustration.

Ops are also great if one can find a team to play a T6 one.

[Ysterpyp]

11 hours ago, veslingr said:

Dunq = mastercard

PEF = free

i got my dunq in supercontainer and she is getting the 

Oh my :)

 

The P.E.F is a turd esp when u get uptiered, i call it the WR killer

[Migantium_Mashum]

I finally got my PEF last night and ran through a few games in Coop because there was no way I was jumping into random without knowing her capabilities...

I find that her AA is powerful and her secondaries are good also. She turns okay for a T6 BB but in my opinion the main armament is poor.. or I haven't got used to her yet.

BB v BB regardless of the BB those AP shells just don't do anything... I have also tried HE and had far more damage from them BB v BB, excluding fire damage..

Maybe the few games played isn't enough to fully know the ship yet but that's the way I see it..

[1MajorKoenig]

19 hours ago, Jvd2000 said:

PEF is bad compared with the usual "hard to citadel" german BB's, true.

 

But compared with something like the Dunk i would rather show broadside with the PEF. She is better then most non-german BB's

 

PEF is protection-wise comparable to Dunkerque. Both are solid but not stellar. Other than getting overmatched they are pretty durable.

 

Protection isn’t PEF’s nor Dunkerque’s problem 

[Breezewind]

I bought the ship and used it to easily complete the directives. Ended up receiving the ship's full value in doubloons. So now I have the doubloons, the ship, four line ships from the missions, permacamo for all of them (two for the Prinz) and bunch of steel + saved countless hours of boring grinding. I can use the doubloons to another ship/permacamo/premium time or whatever I please. The ship itself is not bad, it's just plain average. What's not to like?

[Puffin_]

3 minutes ago, Breezewind said:

I bought the ship and used it to easily complete the directives. Ended up receiving the ship's full value in doubloons. So now I have the doubloons, the ship, four line ships from the missions, permacamo for all of them (two for the Prinz) and bunch of steel + saved countless hours of boring grinding. I can use the doubloons to another ship/permacamo/premium time or whatever I please. The ship itself is not bad, it's just plain average. What's not to like, if you intend to keep playing for foreseeable future?

I did the same. I don't understand all this whining   If you did not buy it you got it for free.

So why all this whining?  

Your free ship is not the best T6 BB for your playstyle 

What a disappointment, lets burn the house down

[Aragathor]

18 minutes ago, GudmundurG said:

I did the same. I don't understand all this whining   If you did not buy it you got it for free.

So why all this whining?  

Your free ship is not the best T6 BB for your playstyle 

What a disappointment, lets burn the house down

That's short sighted. After the event WG will want to sell it for money, sales won't be helped by people asking about the ship and getting "it's garbage" as an answer.

Already the majority of CC reviews are negative.

[DFens_666]

On 1/17/2019 at 9:45 PM, Seiranko said:

PEF showing broadside is a risky game. Thanks to the PEF spam in the recent weeks, I have gotten citadel ribbons on PEF at close range, at mid range of around 7 km and at long range, with 15.8 km (which was today). It's not IJN, but seriously, this isn't good by any means.

 

actually i think PEF doesnt really have equal turtleback than other german BBs.

Ive citadelled PEF twice now with my PEF (today <1km driveby broadside and the other was midrange little angle afaik) ontop of Flambass' YT vid where he cits PEF (while also playing PEF) at 10km broadside and bow on - how this is even possible... i dunno. But ive seen LOTS of bow on cits lately which should not be possible.

[HaachamaShipping]

7 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

actually i think PEF doesnt really have equal turtleback than other german BBs.

Ive citadelled PEF twice now with my PEF (today <1km driveby broadside and the other was midrange little angle afaik) ontop of Flambass' YT vid where he cits PEF (while also playing PEF) at 10km broadside and bow on - how this is even possible... i dunno. But ive seen LOTS of bow on cits lately which should not be possible.

Bow on just needs to overmatch the bow and have enough pen to pen the 250 mm frontal bulkhead.

Spoiler

Below that, it's 32 mm, if the shell falls lower. This is entirely possible. Especially at closer ranges and with ships that have high enough pen (usually T7s or T8s, but I already landed bow citadels on an Arizona with WV, and Arizona has 343 mm, afaik).

 

But the armour on PEF is just straight up average (vs HE) to bad (vs AP).

[DFens_666]

Just now, Seiranko said:

Bow on just needs to overmatch the bow and have enough pen to pen the 250 mm frontal bulkhead.

 

 

350mm doesnt overmatch 25mm of armor tho

[Kenliero]

People... PEF has weak bow. You do not give your bow to the enemy in this ship. Also when angling, do NOT angle a little bit(=take shots on that 25mm armor). Angle A LOT and take them to 270mm/300mm belt armor instead. PEF has pretty good belt and the shape of it's citadel is so that shells will easily go straight there through bow(Wide and pretty high in the water frontally). It is 25mm and partially 30mm, which is normal, but the problem is that once you pen that, it is right in the citadel. Don't play it like american ships. Bow tactics don't work against battleships.

Also you do not have to overmatch 250mm bulkhead even. Because of the long bow, shells can drop straight to that 32mm citadel.

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, Kenliero said:

PEF has pretty good belt and the shape of it's citadel is so that shells will easily go straight there through bow(Wide and pretty high in the water frontally).

The citadel is neither wide (unlike a good few other BBs at the tier, it's not even the entire width of the ship) nor high in the water (waterline). Also, calling 270 mm belt good... uhm, what?

1 hour ago, Kenliero said:

 Don't play it like american ships. Bow tactics don't work against battleships.

BBs that overmatch PEF bow will overmatch USN bow too. And depending on range 343 mm is not a lot to keep shells out.

1 hour ago, Kenliero said:

Also you do not have to overmatch 250mm bulkhead even. Because of the long bow, shells can drop straight to that 32mm citadel.

That's misuse of the term overmatch.

1 hour ago, DFens_666 said:

 

350mm doesnt overmatch 25mm of armor tho

No clue what happened then, given I also don't know impact angles and such.

[Kenliero]

1 hour ago, Seiranko said:

The citadel is neither wide (unlike a good few other BBs at the tier, it's not even the entire width of the ship) nor high in the water (waterline). Also, calling 270 mm belt good... uhm, what?

BBs that overmatch PEF bow will overmatch USN bow too. And depending on range 343 mm is not a lot to keep shells out.

That's misuse of the term overmatch.

Yes, it is wide and it is high in the water. Why do you even argue about this? How about you actually log into the game and check the armor? 270mm is much better than 25mm is it not? it makes zero sense to try to tank incoming shots with 25mm, when you can do it with 270mm/300mm. That said I agree about the overmatch part. I meant to say "penetrate".