Don’t buy PEF - she sucks hard

[Aragathor]

3 hours ago, veslingr said:

you wanna tell me now that even Dunq is bad ship? That ship is  DMG machine....i just think many peoples do not how to play BBs if he is not "classic" bbs which means angle 30% and over match opponent 

Let's look at the 2 month aggregated stats of premium t6 BBs shall we:

 

Name	Games Played	WR %	Avg. XP	Avg. Damage	K/D Ratio	Survival	Aggro
Dunkerque	15733	48,21	982	38504	0,92	30,47	899340
West. Virginia	1022	46,73	1038	39635	1,04	39,54	789665
Arizona	4985	53,39	1203	48749	1,64	45,88	913917
Mutsu	2987	46,60	1039	38187	0,99	36,28	803965
Prinz Eitel	40920	50,38	1322	40552	1,20	35,85	962564
Warspite	27454	50,12	1049	42621	1,23	38,31	866261

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190112/eu_2month/average_ship.html

 

Speaking of Dunkerque:

It was the third most popular premium T6 BB in the last two months. It's in the middle of the WR, which is not bad, compared with newcomers like WV and veterans like the Warspite. It has the lowest avg. XP value, meaning her owners limit themselves to farming BBs. This isn't a surprise as Dunkerque is bad against every other ship, since she overpenetrates cruisers at typical engagement ranges and can't hit DDs with the inaccurate guns. She also has the second lowest damage out of all the BBs, only Mutsu is worse and that ship has WW1 shells. It also has the worst Kill/Death ratio, meaning that more Dunks get killed than they kill in return. Only Mutsu is similar. Because of the weak armor and IFHE proliferation Dunkerque has the lowest survival rates from among the T6 premium BBs, and not by a small margin. The ship is being farmed hard, even Mutsu is better. Tanked damage confirms that the ship is being focused, as Dunkerques are in the 3rd spot for aggro, while not being tanky at all.

 

Looking at the 2 month EU stats I'd say that Dunkerque, for all it's popularity, is a weak premium compared to other ships at tier. It offers neither damage nor defense to the team, and people playing it must accept the risk of being easily focused and deleted while not being able to reciprocate.  Even Mutsu is better, which is surprising since no one in his right mind would say it's a great ship.

 

PS: The amount of games in the Prinz Eitel shows that the stats for this ship are to be taken with a grain of salt, so many people are playing it that the averages are going to be inflated.

 

[HaachamaShipping]

2 minutes ago, veslingr said:

and in this case tankines of ship

You mean worst armour scheme of any T6 BB? Like, there's no T6 BB that is worse armoured than Dunkerque. And yes, you can get pretty good uptime in a good few other ships if you know how to angle in and out inbetween salvos.

8 minutes ago, veslingr said:

no other BBS on t6 can have 100% DPM up time and be "safe" from devastation.

No other T6 BB is as easily devastated by overmatch guns and HE as Dunkerque. 

9 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Dunq and PEF have alot in common, they in fact are not BBs and if you do not play them as BBs they will yield resault

Too bad they occupy a BB slot and thus should at least fulfill the basic roles of BBs. And to be fair, both can fulfill these roles, even if not necessarily as great as others.

12 minutes ago, veslingr said:

100 battles is solid personal sample where good and bad strikes are evened

It's not even 100 battles and even if 100 was representative, which one can doubt, then what's the point of comparing it to ships you played vastly less battles in? There's just way too many holes in the argumentation to take these stats as representative of anything.

[veslingr]

2 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Let's look at the 2 month aggregated stats of premium t6 BBs shall we:

 

Name	Games Played	WR %	Avg. XP	Avg. Damage	K/D Ratio	Survival	Aggro
Dunkerque	15733	48,21	982	38504	0,92	30,47	899340
West. Virginia	1022	46,73	1038	39635	1,04	39,54	789665
Arizona	4985	53,39	1203	48749	1,64	45,88	913917
Mutsu	2987	46,60	1039	38187	0,99	36,28	803965
Prinz Eitel	40920	50,38	1322	40552	1,20	35,85	962564
Warspite	27454	50,12	1049	42621	1,23	38,31	866261

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190112/eu_2month/average_ship.html

 

It was the third most popular premium T6 BB in the last two months. It's in the middle of the WR, which is not bad, compared with newcomers like WV and veterans like the Warspite. It has the lowest avg. XP value, meaning her owners limit themselves to farming BBs. This isn't a surprise as Dunkerque is bad against every other ship, since she overpenetrates cruisers at typical engagement ranges and can't hit DDs with the inaccurate guns. She also has the second lowest damage out of all the BBs, only Mutsu is worse and that ship has WW1 shells. It also has the worst Kill/Death ratio, meaning that more Dunks get killed than they kill in return. Only Mutsu is similar. Because of the weak armor and IFHE proliferation Dunkerque has the lowest survival rates from among the T6 premium BBs, and not by a small margin. The ship is being farmed hard, even Mutsu is better. Tanked damage confirms that the ship is being focused, as Dunkerques are in the 3rd spot for aggro, while not being tanky at all.

 

Looking at the 2 month EU stats I'd say that Dunkerque, for all it's popularity, is a weak premium compared to other ships at tier. It offers neither damage nor defense to the team, and people playing it must accept the risk of being easily focused and deleted while not being able to reciprocate.  Even Mutsu is better, which is surprising since no one in his right mind would say it's a great ship.

 

PS: The amount of games in the Prinz Eitel shows that the stats for this ship are to be taken with a grain of salt, so many people are playing it that the averages are going to be inflated.

 

Taking XP as indicator is always bad because premium account and flags are taken into account....and this stats shows what i am point - peoples just dont know how to play Battlecruisers. 

It is very bad ship if you want premium BBs. But if you want to prepare yourself for Jan Bart and/or Burgone it is perfect ship

[HaachamaShipping]

10 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Taking XP as indicator is always bad because premium account and flags are taken into account....and this stats shows what i am point - peoples just dont know how to play Battlecruisers. 

It is very bad ship if you want premium BBs. But if you want to prepare yourself for Jan Bart and/or Burgone it is perfect ship

And Dunkerque players are less likely to run premium account than others?

Also, Jean Bart and Bourgogne get overmatched by one single ship at their tier, two in their MM spread and not more than half the ships in their MM spread. They also have guns that have high sigma and lowered reload, making them actually good dpm-wise. Dunkerque prepares you about as much for Jean Bart as New Mexico prepares you for Montana.

[Alex_Connor]

13 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Let's look at the 2 month aggregated stats of premium t6 BBs shall we:

 

Name	Games Played	WR %	Avg. XP	Avg. Damage	K/D Ratio	Survival	Aggro
Dunkerque	15733	48,21	982	38504	0,92	30,47	899340
West. Virginia	1022	46,73	1038	39635	1,04	39,54	789665
Arizona	4985	53,39	1203	48749	1,64	45,88	913917
Mutsu	2987	46,60	1039	38187	0,99	36,28	803965
Prinz Eitel	40920	50,38	1322	40552	1,20	35,85	962564
Warspite	27454	50,12	1049	42621	1,23	38,31	866261

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190112/eu_2month/average_ship.html

 

It was the third most popular premium T6 BB in the last two months. It's in the middle of the WR, which is not bad, compared with newcomers like WV and veterans like the Warspite. It has the lowest avg. XP value, meaning her owners limit themselves to farming BBs. This isn't a surprise as Dunkerque is bad against every other ship, since she overpenetrates cruisers at typical engagement ranges and can't hit DDs with the inaccurate guns. She also has the second lowest damage out of all the BBs, only Mutsu is worse and that ship has WW1 shells. It also has the worst Kill/Death ratio, meaning that more Dunks get killed than they kill in return. Only Mutsu is similar. Because of the weak armor and IFHE proliferation Dunkerque has the lowest survival rates from among the T6 premium BBs, and not by a small margin. The ship is being farmed hard, even Mutsu is better. Tanked damage confirms that the ship is being focused, as Dunkerques are in the 3rd spot for aggro, while not being tanky at all.

 

Looking at the 2 month EU stats I'd say that Dunkerque, for all it's popularity, is a weak premium compared to other ships at tier. It offers neither damage nor defense to the team, and people playing it must accept the risk of being easily focused and deleted while not being able to reciprocate.  Even Mutsu is better, which is surprising since no one in his right mind would say it's a great ship.

 

PS: The amount of games in the Prinz Eitel shows that the stats for this ship are to be taken with a grain of salt, so many people are playing it that the averages are going to be inflated.

 

PEF has WW1 shells too, the guns are thoroughly mediocre in performance, don’t benefit from overmatch and you only have 8 of them.

 

Every other tier 6 BB gets either 12 guns, overmatch vs BBs or high pen.

 

Hell, I’d take Kongo’s 8x14in over PEF’s guns, at least they have half decent pen. And Kongo isn’t exactly overgunned for a tier 5.

 

I think PEF stats are wildly overinflated by clan battle players using the ship for steel and once normality settles in PEF is going to end last or near last for damage.

[veslingr]

9 minutes ago, Seiranko said:

You mean worst armour scheme of any T6 BB? Like, there's no T6 BB that is worse armoured than Dunkerque. And yes, you can get pretty good uptime in a good few other ships if you know how to angle in and out inbetween salvos.

No other T6 BB is as easily devastated by overmatch guns and HE as Dunkerque. 

Too bad they occupy a BB slot and thus should at least fulfill the basic roles of BBs. And to be fair, both can fulfill these roles, even if not necessarily as great as others.

It's not even 100 battles and even if 100 was representative, which one can doubt, then what's the point of comparing it to ships you played vastly less battles in? There's just way too many holes in the argumentation to take these stats as representative of anything.

i mean she does not need to show broadside to fire all guns. No other BBs can do that, yes you can angle but in one point you show broadside 10 seconds every 30 seconds. 

In fact this ship is hardest to devastate - devastate means taking 50%+ health in one salvo. And nobody will do that. It can burn and will eat high IFHE dmg, but will not get 20k salvo and in tank build burning BBs takes alot of time and focusfire from couple of ships. It is mobile it has OK stealth rating so it can disengage much easier than dreadnoughts.

 

We can talk what is purpose of BBS.....i would say BBs main role is to push cruisers away from cap and Batlecruisers does that very very good.  In fact they were build fot fighting cruisers and not other BBs.

 

There is no hole in my argument, i stated this ship is solid DPS ship when played right. and in 100 games you eliminate luck (bad or good).

 

Also do you know your highest playing ship has 200 battles and only 4 are in 100+ bracket?

[veslingr]

8 minutes ago, Seiranko said:

And Dunkerque players are less likely to run premium account than others?

Also, Jean Bart and Bourgogne get overmatched by one single ship at their tier, two in their MM spread and not more than half the ships in their MM spread. They also have guns that have high sigma and lowered reload, making them actually good dpm-wise. Dunkerque prepares you about as much for Jean Bart as New Mexico prepares you for Montana.

Bart and Burg, same as Dunq have low caliber guns that can not over match any bbs in their tier and are forced to use good position to do DMG. NM and Montana except number of guns have nothing in common in gameplay While Dunq and those 2 premiums have exaclty same gampelay, flanking BBS becasue they lack penetration to fight properly angled ships, on t 10 many cruisers will bounce 380 if angled correctly....so Bart, Burg and Dunq play the same - position over guns strenght.

 

i dont know who is more or less inclined towards premium account but as soon as it is not looking towards basic XP and is taking modifiers into account we are in problem

[Amon_ITA]

Premise: I'm probably not good enough to judge a ship. And i only have 34 games with PEF.

 

Having said that, here's my thoughts on the ship.

 

Guns feels like they were designed to be used short range to me. But the ship itself does not. To succesfully engage at short range you must have, in my opinion, good concealment, something to help you spot torps, being sonar or plane, armor scheme that mitigates citadel and turrets damage, and turret traverse. The ship should be manoeuvrable too.

 

Well, this thing does not have anything of it. So, if you stay at long range, you can't support dd's and cruisers. You don't eat damage but you'll find yourself outnumbered fast and you will lose the game.

 

To be a menace to the enemy you have to be in the 10 km range, but to get there you will lose a lot HP. That alone will render your ship useless. And if you manage to do it, probably in late game with no more DD's around, she does not shine even in the situation she looks like she's built for. Enemy angles, and you can't' do substantial damage. You angle to use the back turrets, you're done. If you use the rudder, the turrets struggle to stay on target.

 

I'm happy to read people finding the pef entertaining to use. What should i do to have some success in it ? It's a great looking ship and i would really like to like her.

 

Mackensen class battlecruisers are so nice :(

[HaachamaShipping]

3 minutes ago, veslingr said:

i mean she does not need to show broadside to fire all guns. No other BBs can do that, yes you can angle but in one point you show broadside 10 seconds every 30 seconds. 

You don't even need to show more than angled side for that long if you know how to use your rudder.

4 minutes ago, veslingr said:

In fact this ship is hardest to devastate - devastate means taking 50%+ health in one salvo. And nobody will do that. It can burn and will eat high IFHE dmg, but will not get 20k salvo and in tank build burning BBs takes alot of time and focusfire from couple of ships. It is mobile it has OK stealth rating so it can disengage much easier than dreadnoughts.

Its citadel protection is among the poorest, it can very much take huge salvos and eats them more easily than any other BB.

It's stealth is on par with Mutsu. It's only surpassed by Fuso. This isn't ok, that's very much bad and nowhere close to dreadnoughts. Bayern with no concealment investment at all is stealthier than Dunkerque fully decked out.

And there's a difference to being a Dunkerque that eats all the IFHE pens and a Fuso or Bayern that are partially immune. Doesn't matter whether you take time to burn, if you just bleed HE to pens.

12 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Also do you know your highest playing ship has 200 battles and only 4 are in 100+ bracket?

I don't try to make my personal stats representative of anything.

8 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Bart and Burg, same as Dunq have low caliber guns that can not over match any bbs in their tier and are forced to use good position to do DMG. NM and Montana except number of guns have nothing in common in gameplay While Dunq and those 2 premiums have exaclty same gampelay, flanking BBS becasue they lack penetration to fight properly angled ships, on t 10 many cruisers will bounce 380 if angled correctly....so Bart, Burg and Dunq play the same - position over guns strenght.

NM and Montana don't overmatch either. The exact same shitty argument you brought up.

 

So, no, nothing in your argument shows that Dunkerque is actually good. You just continue throwing crap at the wall and hope it sticks, because half the stuff you claim isn't even factually correct.

[veslingr]

1 minute ago, Seiranko said:

You don't even need to show more than angled side for that long if you know how to use your rudder.

Its citadel protection is among the poorest, it can very much take huge salvos and eats them more easily than any other BB.

It's stealth is on par with Mutsu. It's only surpassed by Fuso. This isn't ok, that's very much bad and nowhere close to dreadnoughts. Bayern with no concealment investment at all is stealthier than Dunkerque fully decked out.

And there's a difference to being a Dunkerque that eats all the IFHE pens and a Fuso or Bayern that are partially immune. Doesn't matter whether you take time to burn, if you just bleed HE to pens.

I don't try to make my personal stats representative of anything.

NM and Montana don't overmatch either. The exact same shitty argument you brought up.

 

So, no, nothing in your argument shows that Dunkerque is actually good. You just continue throwing crap at the wall and hope it sticks, because half the stuff you claim isn't even factually correct.

There is no T6 BBS that can fire all guns and hide citadel, except Dunq

You can not citadel Dunq while in natural position

Dreadnoughts have no speed to disengage that easily as Dunq, combined speed + stealth it is one of easiest BBs to disengage. 

 

I think rest of your post is pure LTP case, you base your statement that Dunq is bad ship because you have 40% wr in it

[1MajorKoenig]

11 hours ago, Blizzard____ said:

 

 

 

 

Wow. Just because a good player can pull of a good game in her doesn’t mean she is fine (at all). Btw. never heard of you before.

 

 

1 hour ago, veslingr said:

100 battles is solid personal sample where good and bad strikes are evened. , and again you display common mistake in evaluating BBs - DPM and pen value totally forget about speed, and in this case tankines of ship and ability to have 100% time 100% uptime on guns.. In Dunq you will never open your side and risk devastation and you will have 100% DPM uptime.....no other BBS on t6 can have 100% DPM up time and be "safe" from devastation.

 

So theoretically most of other BBs on t 6 have higher DPM but in battle then can use 66% of their DPM most of time or even less.

 

Dunq and PEF have alot in common, they in fact are not BBs and if you do not play them as BBs they will yield resault

 

Yes Dunkerque and PEF have the BC flavour in common. But Dunkerque has the punch to make it count, PEF doesn’t. That’s a big difference. I am no saying Dunkerque is super strong but she has at least all she needs to be in a BB spot. I quite enjoy Dunkerque 

[veslingr]

1 minute ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

Yes Dunkerque and PEF have the BC flavour in common. But Dunkerque has the punch to make it count, PEF doesn’t. That’s a big difference. I am no saying Dunkerque is super strong but she has at least all she needs to be in a BB spot. I quite enjoy Dunkerque 

Yes Dunq is much better ship than PEF, no question asked. Only thing PEF has over Dunq is that it is free :)

[Aragathor]

40 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Taking XP as indicator is always bad because premium account and flags are taken into account....and this stats shows what i am point - peoples just dont know how to play Battlecruisers. 

It is very bad ship if you want premium BBs. But if you want to prepare yourself for Jan Bart and/or Burgone it is perfect ship

How about you address properly all the other stats I mentioned, instead of ignoring them. Dunkerque shines nowhere and performs rather poorly compared to other T6 premium BBs.

Because just saying LTP is a cop out.

[veslingr]

3 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

How about you address properly all the other stats I mentioned, instead of ignoring them. Dunkerque shines nowhere and performs rather poorly compared to other T6 premium BBs.

Because just saying LTP is a cop out.

But that is ultimate truth, majority of peoples just can not play Batlecruisers (translating in lower average stats). They will not perform if you play it like BBs, and most of peoples play it like that and have bad results. And most of peoples will not admit it is their fault but - ship sucks.

 

If you play Minotaur as Zao you will fail miserably, and if you play Zao as DM you will fail....no matter they all are in cruiser slot

[Juanx]

12 minutes ago, veslingr said:

But that is ultimate truth

 

Hum, coming from a sub 300 game player, that is...special?

 

Dont mind us ignoring your posts...

[Puffin_]

These stats don't lie. PEF is doing just fine. Lot of players playing it now. The old excuse only the best players are playing PEF does not count anymore. If PEF does not work for you, you have not found out how to play it well.

 

 

 

[veslingr]

4 minutes ago, Juanx said:

 

Hum, coming from a sub 300 game player, that is...special?

 

Dont mind us ignoring your posts...

https://wows-numbers.com/player/503182571,Drvosjeca_Adler/

 

me

[22cm]

1 hour ago, Aragathor said:

Let's look at the 2 month aggregated stats of premium t6 BBs shall we:

 

Name	Games Played	WR %	Avg. XP	Avg. Damage	K/D Ratio	Survival	Aggro
Dunkerque	15733	48,21	982	38504	0,92	30,47	899340
West. Virginia	1022	46,73	1038	39635	1,04	39,54	789665
Arizona	4985	53,39	1203	48749	1,64	45,88	913917
Mutsu	2987	46,60	1039	38187	0,99	36,28	803965
Prinz Eitel	40920	50,38	1322	40552	1,20	35,85	962564
Warspite	27454	50,12	1049	42621	1,23	38,31	866261

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190112/eu_2month/average_ship.html

 

It was the third most popular premium T6 BB in the last two months. It's in the middle of the WR, which is not bad, compared with newcomers like WV and veterans like the Warspite. It has the lowest avg. XP value, meaning her owners limit themselves to farming BBs. This isn't a surprise as Dunkerque is bad against every other ship, since she overpenetrates cruisers at typical engagement ranges and can't hit DDs with the inaccurate guns. She also has the second lowest damage out of all the BBs, only Mutsu is worse and that ship has WW1 shells. It also has the worst Kill/Death ratio, meaning that more Dunks get killed than they kill in return. Only Mutsu is similar. Because of the weak armor and IFHE proliferation Dunkerque has the lowest survival rates from among the T6 premium BBs, and not by a small margin. The ship is being farmed hard, even Mutsu is better. Tanked damage confirms that the ship is being focused, as Dunkerques are in the 3rd spot for aggro, while not being tanky at all.

 

Looking at the 2 month EU stats I'd say that Dunkerque, for all it's popularity, is a weak premium compared to other ships at tier. It offers neither damage nor defense to the team, and people playing it must accept the risk of being easily focused and deleted while not being able to reciprocate.  Even Mutsu is better, which is surprising since no one in his right mind would say it's a great ship.

 

PS: The amount of games in the Prinz Eitel shows that the stats for this ship are to be taken with a grain of salt, so many people are playing it that the averages are going to be inflated.

 

 

Strange because what I see there is different, PEF being the tankiest and having the second winrate, this while being the most played ship, so obviously is not that bad. Having the highest XP while having only the third average damage means that most of its targets are cruisers and destroyers, and is better at this than the other BBs. 

[Skyllon]

48 minutes ago, veslingr said:

https://wows-numbers.com/player/503182571,Drvosjeca_Adler/

 

me

Come on! Anyone can link someone elses stats!

 

[Aragathor]

19 minutes ago, 22cm said:

 

Strange because what I see there is different, PEF being the tankiest and having the second winrate, this while being the most played ship, so obviously is not that bad. Having the highest XP while having only the third average damage means that most of its targets are cruisers and destroyers, and is better at this than the other BBs. 

I think you misread what I wrote, I was talking about the Dunkerque and not the PEF in that post.

[veslingr]

28 minutes ago, Skyllon said:

Come on! Anyone can link someone elses stats!

 

yeah, but it is very easy to check out ingame if this is my account or not

[Alex_Connor]

4 hours ago, veslingr said:

But that is ultimate truth, majority of peoples just can not play Batlecruisers (translating in lower average stats). They will not perform if you play it like BBs, and most of peoples play it like that and have bad results. And most of peoples will not admit it is their fault but - ship sucks.

 

If you play Minotaur as Zao you will fail miserably, and if you play Zao as DM you will fail....no matter they all are in cruiser slot

So much this.

 

Battlecruisers like Dunkerque and Ashitaka (also Mutsu which plays like a BC) are harder to play than a BB. You can’t tank as easily and the speed makes it easy to get out of position and die.

 

Plus, since you are not tanking as much for the team as a BB could in the slot you are filling then to compensate you need to do proportionately more damage.

 

On some BCs that is done via speed to get into good positions and being able to flex, others (Ashitaka) simply bring absurd firepower to the party to compensate for their lack of armour.

 

Battlecruisers require a lot of situational awareness and tactical thinking for success, they definitely have a higher skill requirement than BBs, but played well they can more than hold their own in the BB slot.

 

Which brings me to the PEF. It’s a battlecruiser sure, a fast one with fairly good armour even that is comfortable to play, but the firepower is just painfull. PEF can flex, can get into good positions but even in good positions the damage output sucks. No pen at range, no alpha anywhere, no torps, questionable secondaries (good for tier sure, but it’s tier 6 so even a full secondary captain doesn’t mean much).

 

The ship isn’t unsalvagable, a better shell with more pen down range would make a big difference. Right now PEF might be comfortable to play but it has very low match impact, very low carry potential.

[Uglesett]

I can make the hull and armour work for me, keeping her afloat isn't that difficult. But the guns are awfully trollish.

[1MajorKoenig]

34 minutes ago, Alex_Connor said:

So much this.

 

Battlecruisers like Dunkerque and Ashitaka (also Mutsu which plays like a BC) are harder to play than a BB. You can’t tank as easily and the speed makes it easy to get out of position and die.

 

Plus, since you are not tanking as much for the team as a BB could in the slot you are filling then to compensate you need to do proportionately more damage.

 

On some BCs that is done via speed to get into good positions and being able to flex, others (Ashitaka) simply bring absurd firepower to the party to compensate for their lack of armour.

 

Battlecruisers require a lot of situational awareness and tactical thinking for success, they definitely have a higher skill requirement than BBs, but played well they can more than hold their own in the BB slot.

 

Which brings me to the PEF. It’s a battlecruiser sure, a fast one with fairly good armour even that is comfortable to play, but the firepower is just painfull. PEF can flex, can get into good positions but even in good positions the damage output sucks. No pen at range, no alpha anywhere, no torps, questionable secondaries (good for tier sure, but it’s tier 6 so even a full secondary captain doesn’t mean much).

 

The ship isn’t unsalvagable, a better shell with more pen down range would make a big difference. Right now PEF might be comfortable to play but it has very low match impact, very low carry potential.

 

Agree with some of your points. Good examples of a “Battlecruisers” style would be: Gascogne, Ashitaka, Ishizuchi and to a degree Mutsu and Scharnhorst.

 

While they are all lacking in a certain way they all pack enough Offensive punch to make a flanking move count. They can reposition and strike hard. They have the speed to disengage if it’s getting too hot. All of that offer carrying potential in its own right.

 

PEF is missing the crucial component of offensive punch. Yes she is easy and comfy to play but isn’t able to fill the BC role. She is only supporting selfishly.

[Panocek]

20 battles later, I'm done with missions related to PEF. She is just not very fun to play - AP lacks penetration and overmatch to impress BB past 10km, dispersion can be trolly at times, plenty of secondaries hampered by Manual Secs skill not working fully, AA is on higher end though especially with Manual AA. Top speed is solid but turning radius leaves something to be desired, same with turret traverse.