Don’t buy PEF - she sucks hard

[Rosletyne]

2 hours ago, jss78 said:

Out of interest, I looked up the translation of "Eitel". I think all you guys who hate this ship will find this humorous. Big Fred at Tier 9 now joined by Worthless Fred at Tier 6?

In this context Eitel is a first name, not an adjective. The name means Shining Sword.

[1MajorKoenig]

4 hours ago, xRSxrs said:

After my first few games i was thinking this ship is total garbage. Every other T6 BB is much better. I was looking for those big hits that other BBs can do but they never came. I had to continue  playing PEF in random so i excepted the fact that it is gonna be hard work for those steel missions. 

 

Then i said to myself dont play it like any other T6 BB, play it like a Hood or some tanky cruiser that can kite. Sudenly it didnt felt like a bad ship. I quite like it now. It is a ship that exels on a long run because you dont have those guns with good hits to do lots of damage in short term. Switching ammo especially when uptiered is a must and dodging incoming fire as much as you can (use your exellent maneuverability and sufficient speed). It can work even in a T8 match. 

 

And the other thing is that AA. I dont have to wory anymore about CVs like in other T6 BBs.

 

It is very dependant what your play style is. I like that kind of play. I like Hood and DOY and they are one of my favourite BBs. I dont know why they are so hated ships. Probably because they are not that high dmg ships, but hydro can make a diference beetween loss and a win with DOY sometimes, although KGV is going to do more DMG. 

 

 So, my first and final verdict is like day and night. You have to use ships advantages and playing on a long run. But i think it is dependant on a persons playstyle. Either you like it or hate it. It is not some new bad [edited]BB. 

 

 

You put into a long wall of text “PEF is a f* supporter”.

 

Agree - but you are missing the point that supporter BBs are useless somehow and not fun. If WG would move her to a CA slot I would be ok with it. But she can’t do wonders in delivering the BB part. And that is exactly what I dislike.

 

She is a selfish supporter and extremely casual to play. She doesn’t carry games and she doesn’t reward skill. She is the epitome of a boring ship.

[Elypse201]

18 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

She is a selfish supporter and extremely casual to play. She doesn’t carry games and she doesn’t reward skill. She is the epitome of a boring ship.

Well the ship was kinda gifted to us and is requierd for an even more painfull grind you thought WG would have give us a good one for this ?

[xRSxrs]

41 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

You put into a long wall of text “PEF is a f* supporter”.

 

Agree - but you are missing the point that supporter BBs are useless somehow and not fun. If WG would move her to a CA slot I would be ok with it. But she can’t do wonders in delivering the BB part. And that is exactly what I dislike.

 

She is a selfish supporter and extremely casual to play. She doesn’t carry games and she doesn’t reward skill. She is the epitome of a boring ship.

 

She can hit DDs better then Bayern, it has enough firepower to punish cruisers, and if you avoid salvo from other BBs with WASD its the same as taking DMG from it as a Bayern. A incoming salvo is a salvo.  You just have to dodge more of them than in other BBs, and you can. You can do some brawling too but you have to pick your fights more carefully then in the other BBs. That makes ship IMHO not boring to play.

 

If you want answer to the main question if i would buy that ship, then it is no, mainly bcs of constant T8 matches. I am just saying it is workable with different aproach.

 

And yes you can carry matches.

 

 

[Mr_Tayto]

28 minutes ago, Elypse201 said:

Well the ship was kinda gifted to us and is requierd for an even more painfull grind you thought WG would have give us a good one for this ?

It was horrendously expensive in the first instance, let's not forget that. WG inflation.

 

I think what's winding Koenig up is the fact he wanted it to reflect his own ideas of what the ship should be. I'm sure he's been calling for Mackensens to be in the game for ages. As it stands it's pretty much meh, not OP in the slightest.

 

As I've said above I don't love it, but it's OK.

[Elypse201]

11 minutes ago, Mr_Tayto said:

As it stands it's pretty much meh, not OP in the slightest.

I mean ofc it needs to be a BB, because out there are so many BB players and i just hate in general the BB gameplay, maybe because i suck at it. But anyway it's a painfull and long [edited]grind.

[HMS_Kilinowski]

1 hour ago, Rosletyne said:

In this context Eitel is a first name, not an adjective. The name means Shining Sword.

This is not what Wikipedia says. It's a combined first name, yes. Friedrich is the german version of Frederic. The name itself is composed of the words for "peace" and "wealthy" or "realm". The word "eitel" has several meanings of which the outdated meaning "just", "simply" or "plain" is meant. So the name means "plain frederic" in the sense that no further first names were added, as was custom especially for aristocrats.

 

45 minutes ago, Elypse201 said:

Well the ship was kinda gifted to us and is requierd for an even more painfull grind you thought WG would have give us a good one for this ?

Not a good one, but a fun one. The ingredients looked promising. The PEF is fast, looked well armored, which it turned out not to be, has at least bigger guns than the Normandie and they are accurate. Additionally it has good AA and secondaries. These all are the ingredients of a good flanker/brawler. And it can do that. I had lots of battles, where the speed and accuracy helped getting into good flanking positions and take precise shots at broadside ships.

It's just the weak alpha damage that spoils the element of surprise when popping up in the enemie's flank. The 350mm guns seem to do less damage than the 340mm on Normandie.

 

The PEF is a nicely balanced ship. Maybe too balanced. There are no situations where you feel you can have a huge impact or are totally worthless. Got a wild DD? Take your secondaries and the mediocre HE will help, although it will take time as one shell does only double the damage of an ijn-DD shell. Got planes incoming? You will shoot some down, although not shred them entirely. See a broadside? You will do 11k damage, but probablly no Dev Strike. So you are hardly disappointed but never amazed. Maybe that is why it feels so boring.

Although my results are comparable to other BBs, Normandie is more fun to play.

 

[Tugnut]

Finished the missions today and got to try it out.... can't say if its good or bad as both games pulled was t8 :/

 

well now i am burnt out grinding, might put WoWS down for a few days - weeks lol

[Prospect_b]

Only unlocked the ship yesterday, and sorry, I didn't read the 15 pages.

 

And the ship sicks major duck.

 

 

Once I'm done with it, I'd like to sell it for credits just to get her out of my sight, but alas, I'm scared of "winning" her again in some SC.

[1MajorKoenig]

5 hours ago, Mr_Tayto said:

It was horrendously expensive in the first instance, let's not forget that. WG inflation.

 

I think what's winding Koenig up is the fact he wanted it to reflect his own ideas of what the ship should be. I'm sure he's been calling for Mackensens to be in the game for ages. As it stands it's pretty much meh, not OP in the slightest.

 

As I've said above I don't love it, but it's OK.

 

Indeed I was hoping for a more enjoyable ship 

[BLUB__BLUB]

9 hours ago, jss78 said:

Out of interest, I looked up the translation of "Eitel". I think all you guys who hate this ship will find this humorous. Big Fred at Tier 9 now joined by Worthless Fred at Tier 6?

I'd say Fat Freddy and Fruitless Freddy... 

[Aragathor]

Another very positive review by reddit's own Vaexa:

 

 

 

Damn, WG will soon need to replace all CCs because no one seems to like the bull droppings they are producing.

[veslingr]

you just can not citadel any ship in it :)

[quickr]

Every time someone posts a "hurr durr this ship sucks" post I almost feel obligated to take it out and make sure

 

A bit of everything... some secondaries, some citadels, some planes taken down, some dreadnought, a confederate and a kraken for a good measure

 

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

45 minutes ago, quickr said:

......

 

 

You may have noticed there's THREE other PEFS in there that do not agree with you. 

[Aragathor]

Mejash joins the list of CCs who don't know how to play and don't recognize the PEF as the best thing since sliced bread:

 

Spoiler

 

 

Will WG purge the unbelievers?

 

Mejash's opinion? The ship is inconsistent, too inconsistent, and might be in the bottom 3 of all T6 BBs (together with Dunkerque and Mutsu). Bayern is better. And since he is writing with the future buyers in mind, he advises them to get the shiny horse instead.

[veslingr]

4 hours ago, Aragathor said:

Mejash joins the list of CCs who don't know how to play and don't recognize the PEF as the best thing since sliced bread:

 

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Will WG purge the unbelievers?

 

Mejash's opinion? The ship is inconsistent, too inconsistent, and might be in the bottom 3 of all T6 BBs (together with Dunkerque and Mutsu). Bayern is better. And since he is writing with the future buyers in mind, he advises them to get the shiny horse instead.

Why buy shiny horse when you can buy Stalin....it is way better than Horsy and PEF.....i just hate this kind of idiotic advice.......

[Armorin]

I suppose it's the grindy missions forcing people to play the ship a lot that makes people hate it. Okay, the guns are as a big RNG lottery that needs a gambling licence, but overall the ship doesn't seem to be doing too badly for a T6 BB on the stats I've collected so far. Top on main battery hit ratio, top on potential damage, 2nd on win rate, 2nd on kills, 3rd on damage. My stats collection process lags a bit so will be interesting to see where it is in a few weeks time once all the PEF grinds are included.

 

 

[Panocek]

25 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Why buy shiny horse when you can buy Stalin....it is way better than Horsy and PEF.....i just hate this kind of idiotic advice.......

Then why you don't go and buy Stalin?

[veslingr]

3 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Then why you don't go and buy Stalin?

i have it

[Panocek]

27 minutes ago, veslingr said:

i have it

[veslingr]

5 minutes ago, Panocek said:

 

[Panocek]

Just now, veslingr said:

 

Why not share name of your proper account then?

And still waiting for you to buy Stalin with amount you can buy/farm without participating in Rankeds/CW

[veslingr]

3 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Why not share name of your proper account then?

And still waiting for you to buy Stalin with amount you can buy/farm without participating in Rankeds/CW

 

14 hours ago, veslingr said:

you just can not citadel any ship in it :)

 

Here it is

 

and now part about buying S....well when you compare t6 freeemium with t7 ship that can only be bought by real money i can compare all of them with prize ship.

 

that is  why i said it is idiotic to "recommend" Scharnhorst over PEF

[Elypse201]

 

i just got 2 citas so far on other BB's. The first lucky one at range and another one at 0.6km close range. Even full broadside it's just mostly some pens mixed with some overpens. I just think to finish the 4th of the five parts the 419 Steel are not worth imo. for this painfull grind.