[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,376 battles Report post #301 Posted January 13, 2019 Still performing really badly I note. And I can’t wait for my standard boring react from the thread OP. It fills me with joy. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] black_falcon120 Beta Tester 1,693 posts 4,658 battles Report post #302 Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Bear_Necessities said: Still performing really badly I note. And I can’t wait for my standard boring react from the thread OP. It fills me with joy. t The grind gives people an incentive to not derp. The NewMex is WAY better than the PEF, but everyone needs to farm with it, and they are actually trying. The PEF is so fast, that it does quite a bit, balanced by its terrible guns. This means that it feels like the ship is holding it back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #303 Posted January 13, 2019 14 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said: No matter what angle I hit it (when I am in Hood), I get at least 5000 dmg. Now... if I hit a Nurnberg I can blap it... but usually not, and sometimes I get 1200 dmg. PEF is probably not worse than a Nurnberg... but on average I'd say I better shoot PEF than Nurnberg. Well 38cm overmatch PEF as long as you are not as stupid to fire at her Belt or casemat armor when she is angled. But I don’t think many bobs would do that anyway so yea she is a pleasure to play against. A Piñata Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_OPC_] morgoroth Players 454 posts 17,354 battles Report post #304 Posted January 13, 2019 Reminds me of FdG very unpleasant experience. And this is another pseudo bb that s on cruisers but fails against other bbs ... ... finish the "nerves of steel" (how accurate name for a mission) and forget it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #305 Posted January 13, 2019 11 hours ago, Bear_Necessities said: Still performing really badly I note. And I can’t wait for my standard boring react from the thread OP. It fills me with joy. Apparently I have a reputation to defend :-) here you go Btw I am not surprised about the stats anymore. This ship is so braindead easy it looks like everyone can still do his or her (though useless for team) support farming. 45k damage isn’t really anything to write home about. I would be curious about the differences between good and bad players but I suspect there are very few people who have terrible stats in this thing because of the very low skill ceiling. My Problem on the other hand is that she doesn’t offer anything to do outstanding in her. Nothing interesting nothing great. The only time she performs admirable is when enemies are complete idiots. Wow - great design Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,189 battles Report post #306 Posted January 13, 2019 35 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said: ...... I would be curious about the differences between good and bad players but I suspect there are very few people who have terrible stats in this thing because of the very low skill ceiling. I guess we'll find out when this 'enjoyable assignment' finishes. Because right now we have both teams playing lots of them. Means when one loses to the other, we get 50% even if one fails badly and the other one wins by a landslide. 35 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said: The only time she performs admirable is when enemies are complete idiots. Wow - great design ....or when Unicums drive it, which is normal, because to them the mega-failings do not matter that much. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] quickr Players 1,953 posts 25,232 battles Report post #307 Posted January 13, 2019 I love how every "for"/"pro" argument supported by stats is met with: "oh but everyone is tryharding that's why", "oh but only unicums are playing thats why", "oh one good game proves nothing".... The fact of the matter is PEF is an OK ship, it's not bad, it's not under powered and it's not too strong or OP. It's just fine, balanced ship. Some find it fun to play some don't and thats, believe it or not, completely normal. Which baffles me even more when I see a fuss about WG testing a ship (exeter) which in his early state is considered OP, even tho no one played it yet. Yet when WG releases balanced ships (and a free premium one) everyone grabs torches and pitchforks. 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,189 battles Report post #308 Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, quickr said: I love how every "for"/"pro" argument supported by stats is met with: "oh but everyone is tryharding that's why", "oh but only unicums are playing thats why", "oh one good game proves nothing".... Well we will see when this 'thing'has ended how it ends up. Just now, quickr said: The fact of the matter is PEF is an OK ship, it's not bad, it's not under powered and it's not too strong or OP. It's just fine, balanced ship. Some find it fun to play some don't and thats, believe it or not, completely normal. It's rather 'MEH'. Mega-average at best. Just now, quickr said: Which baffles me even more when I see a fuss about WG testing a ship (exeter) which in his early state is considered OP, even tho no one played it yet. Yet when WG releases balanced ships (and a free premium one) everyone grabs torches and pitchforks. Well if you get it for free, yes. But there are people that paid money for it... they're not happy. If you pay money you'd expect to get at least a 'special' ship (no, not THAT kind of 'zpesjuuull'). It's a good thing WG learned to make no more "Belfasts" (do they...), like the Vanguard, fine. The PEF though... it's 'not worthy' to take a BB spot. Hahah and that Exeter, well, the Op thing is concealment + citadel, the rest is kinda meh, too. At T5 I'd buy it as I need a premium RN CL, after all, I think Omaha is LOL. The OP things of Exeter will only be with experienced players that have fat captains though. I doubt if it will be exploitable by the usual potatoes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,274 battles Report post #309 Posted January 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, quickr said: The fact of the matter is PEF is an OK ship, it's not bad, it's not under powered and it's not too strong or OP. It's just fine, balanced ship. Some find it fun to play some don't and thats, believe it or not, completely normal. That's a minority opinion. I haven't seen any other CC besides PointyHairedJedi talking about the PEF this way. What I've seen is the opinion that the ship is barely average (LWM), through the ship being unfun and not worth it (Flamu), to outright hate (Zoup). And those people played the PEF before and after the nerfs. Some CCs didn't even bother to review the nerfed version (iChase, Notser). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] quickr Players 1,953 posts 25,232 battles Report post #310 Posted January 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, Aragathor said: That's a minority opinion. I haven't seen any other CC besides PointyHairedJedi talking about the PEF this way. What I've seen is the opinion that the ship is barely average (LWM), through the ship being unfun and not worth it (Flamu), to outright hate (Zoup). And those people played the PEF before and after the nerfs. Some CCs didn't even bother to review the nerfed version (iChase, Notser). Thankfully some of us use CCs opinions as a guidance and not as a word of God. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #311 Posted January 13, 2019 2 hours ago, quickr said: Thankfully some of us use CCs opinions as a guidance and not as a word of God. That’s not the point. The point is: if so many don’t like how she is implemented you can’t simply discard these concerns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MORIA] quickr Players 1,953 posts 25,232 battles Report post #312 Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said: That’s not the point. The point is: if so many don’t like how she is implemented you can’t simply discard these concerns. Who are those "so many"? Where are they? 5 or 10 or 20 of you on forums that complain? Some CC say ship is terrible and all of a sudden everyone jump the bandwagon cos it's cool to have same opinion as ship jesus, instead of making your own judgment, making your own opinion. Stats say ship is doing just fine, 200k games in and stats of the ship are average at worst. Some would say its even over performing. How come if "so many" don't like the ship? The point is, ship is average (stats confirm it) and most of you are angry cos you were expecting, hoping, PEF would be strong/OP. Even I wrote, couple of months back, I would rather pay for a strong PEF than be given a mediocre one for free. Still I bough it in current state and I don't regret it. I've enjoyed playing it, it's been fun. I'll repeat myself, it's perfectly fine not to like every ship. Not to perform in every ship. Buyers remorse? I've got those as well for some of the premium ships. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antean Players 853 posts 907 battles Report post #313 Posted January 13, 2019 3 hours ago, quickr said: Thankfully some of us use CCs opinions as a guidance and not as a word of God. LOL. Agreed, some of us can actually think independently. 18 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said: That’s not the point. The point is: if so many don’t like how she is implemented you can’t simply discard these concerns. That is the point. WG should not listen to the 'whiners'. Also, there's an easy solution. Do what the OP suggests & don't buy this particular 'Lollipop'. Don't be a WG Sucker. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BYOB] Aragathor Players 7,047 posts 32,274 battles Report post #314 Posted January 13, 2019 3 hours ago, quickr said: Thankfully some of us use CCs opinions as a guidance and not as a word of God. Funny thing, I haven't said that I follow them blindly, you did. I didn't say that they could not err. But like so many you have shown a vitriolic attitude, when I mentioned that CCs don't like the ship. Or is it maybe envy, because your twitch channel isn't popular? 39 minutes ago, quickr said: Some CC say ship is terrible and all of a sudden everyone jump the bandwagon cos it's cool to have same opinion as ship jesus, instead of making your own judgment, making your own opinion. My opinion of the ship is based on my own performance. A pity you can't accept that and the fact that others share it. 39 minutes ago, quickr said: Some would say its even over performing. How come if "so many" don't like the ship? Maybe because good players recognize a lemon when they play one. I'd love to see how many will keep playing PEF after the 24th. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HPF] Ocsimano18 Players 3,476 posts 13,916 battles Report post #315 Posted January 13, 2019 I did 58K damage in my first PEF match today, which is quite good considering my average. I'm used to the Scharnhorst guns (which was a deception at first), so I just aimed at the lowest point of the superstructure. I also specced her to AA (about 80 points) to prepare for 8.0. After the bad reviews, she is not a disappointment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[U-F-G] ca12nag3 Beta Tester 104 posts 10,650 battles Report post #316 Posted January 13, 2019 On 12/20/2018 at 10:51 PM, gopher31 said: It was a decent ship in testing then it received a nerf sledgehammer. like going to the dealer and do a test drive, decide to buy the car then they say, no worries she will be fine when you pick her up next thursday. Before you know it they took out the radio installed different breaks and somehow this just doesn't feel like the car you paid for... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,376 battles Report post #317 Posted January 13, 2019 6 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said: Apparently I have a reputation to defend :-) And you haven’t dissapointed me 😛 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[U-F-G] ca12nag3 Beta Tester 104 posts 10,650 battles Report post #318 Posted January 13, 2019 17 hours ago, Bear_Necessities said: Still performing really badly I note. And I can’t wait for my standard boring react from the thread OP. It fills me with joy. Is this honestly how you are going to pull a troll face? You put up a premium ship, this far into the game where most people by now have some idea how to play. Only those that are interested and actually know what a BB does buy one. And you toss up those stats along with ships that have been in the game since the start. Like Fuso and New Mexico. Face it the ship is not that exceptional. And throwing in these stats are meaningless. Simply due to the facts I just stated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merlin851526 Players 474 posts 8,076 battles Report post #319 Posted January 13, 2019 you can throw up all the stats you like. If it walks like a Duck quacks like a Duck guess what.......yep it's a Duck. After this campaign is over I'm never taking it out of port again. Moreover I think the vast majority of people who are unhappy with it myself included don't want something OP. It's just that you shouldn't be at a disadvantage with a ship you just bought, the same way I hasten to add, nor should you be at an advantage either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,376 battles Report post #320 Posted January 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, ca12nag3 said: Is this honestly how you are going to pull a troll face? You put up a premium ship, this far into the game where most people by now have some idea how to play. Only those that are interested and actually know what a BB does buy one. And you toss up those stats along with ships that have been in the game since the start. Like Fuso and New Mexico. Face it the ship is not that exceptional. And throwing in these stats are meaningless. Simply due to the facts I just stated. The troll face wasn't for you. It's more for an ongoing battle to the death/annoy each to death between me and @1MajorKoenig, I know he gets why the troll face And you clearly haven't read what I've said in this thread. I've never once said it's "exceptional", what I have argued is its OK, average or as LWM put it, a MEH boat. Meaning it's not as awful as the sky falling down brigade made out. I do suggest if you're going to comment in a thread this long and pick on one of many posts, you read the rest first. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #321 Posted January 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said: The troll face wasn't for you. It's more for an ongoing battle to the death/annoy each to death between me and @1MajorKoenig, I know he gets why the troll face And you clearly haven't read what I've said in this thread. I've never once said it's "exceptional", what I have argued is its OK, average or as LWM put it, a MEH boat. Meaning it's not as awful as the sky falling down brigade made out. I do suggest if you're going to comment in a thread this long and pick on one of many posts, you read the rest first. Of course :-) But still: LWM’s “Meh” isn’t average as in 3 on a scale of 5. It is a 2 on a scale of 4. She doesn’t use this mid rating as she indicates good average as Gudbote and weak average as Mehbote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,735 battles Report post #322 Posted January 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, ca12nag3 said: You put up a premium ship, this far into the game where most people by now have some idea how to play. Only those that are interested and actually know what a BB does buy one. And you toss up those stats along with ships that have been in the game since the start. Like Fuso and New Mexico. Face it the ship is not that exceptional. And throwing in these stats are meaningless. Simply due to the facts I just stated. Well then take the stats from this week only, shall we? PEF stands even better there, which makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NOCIT] EgyptOverseer Players 650 posts 6,924 battles Report post #323 Posted January 13, 2019 Typical. When I grind a free BB, it's a DoY. Skip this one and it's broken AF with amazing HE and AP at seemingly any angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,189 battles Report post #324 Posted January 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, EgyptOverseer said: Typical. When I grind a free BB, it's a DoY. Skip this one and it's broken AF with amazing HE and AP at seemingly any angle. I wonder if you did badly. This one is probably weaker than DoY. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NOCIT] EgyptOverseer Players 650 posts 6,924 battles Report post #325 Posted January 13, 2019 2 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said: I wonder if you did badly. This one is probably weaker than DoY. That is a very low bar. Weaker than a BB with all stats nerfed compared to the silver counterpart, and less heals, all for a useless hydro? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
