Don’t buy PEF - she sucks hard

[1MajorKoenig]

Just now, veslingr said:

off course not, my point was that effectiveness of a ship and potential to carry is not directly mesured by dps or his guns.

 

if you play id like flanking cruiser and your main target are cruisers you will have much better result in it that to play as a tank and directly fighting other BBs who have better armor and/or guns (more of them)

 

Yes of course she is a flanker. And I get what you say but she is in a BB slot, not a cruiser slot. 

 

An example of an excellent flanking Battleship is Gascogne. Fast, punchy and sufficiently tough.

 PEF has these “death-by-thousand-cuts” guns. That is my problem. She is simply missing a tiny bit of punch - about 2-3 seconds of reload which need to be shaved off.

[Gr3n8]

38 minutes ago, quickr said:

Do you know what LWM "meh" rating means? It means the ship is not exceptional, it's just -a ship. And It's ok. Premium ships can be "meh" and "average".

 

Issue I'm having with PEF is that i can not carry games. I can not secure wins for my team. I'm still struggling with that part.

Other than that, it's a solid ship and guns work just fine. Trust me

 

This is my recent score from credits grinding... 90k+ avg dmg easy

 

This is my overall stats. I broke 70k avg dmg in a ship that apparently has "terrible guns"

 

 

Do I wish a PEF in it's pre nerfed form? Yes, absolutely but i can see why every CC was screaming it was OP before nerf bat hit it....

I doubt that people here want the entirely unnerfed version of the ship, but instead just one that offers an overall enjoyable experience and at least something to work with. From the massive results of the 8 battles you played, you can't really tell anything other than that you played 8 battles well, and that you still lost most of them.

[159Hunter]

5 hours ago, Aragathor said:

CV test, the long range AA is useless against planes as it can be dodged. PEFs AA strength is focused on the long range 105mm guns, with the medium and short auras offering little support.

There have been discussions on reddit about how the AA changes to auras nerf many premiums, like Atlanta. Sub_octavian has talked about it too, but the AA rework is a thing of the future.

So you don't know. Because they will have to change values on ships ( prime example being Salem: a tier X CA with amazing AA now, but with 0.0 short range AA. Something that wouldn't work in the new patch ). So I'd wait till they launch the ships. If they do launch them the way they are now: then I guess WG are dumber than I'd have thought.

[Puffin_]

This must be some kind of record.  Popular ship 

[HaachamaShipping]

35 minutes ago, GudmundurG said:

This must be some kind of record.  Popular ship 

When you can grind 4 million in PEF and 4 million in one other main nation for a total of 8 million or grind 24 million in 6 nations, which is preferable? Anyone with a PEF will likely try get the 4th directive done with PEF.

[Besserwisser3000]

After quite a few games played on the PEF, I`d conclude that WG seeling her as a BB with accurate guns is nothing but fraudulent advertising. I have never seen BB guns as terrible.

BBs like the Fuso completely obliterate her at any range. While you do: overpens, overpens, overpens. If you hit at all. Squishy AND bad guns. Her only saving grace is her speed and somewhat decent belt armor. But then again, her guns get knocked out left and right.

It simply feels unrewarding to play her.

If I didn`t get doubloons for the campaign reward, I`d demand a refund or chargeback out of principle.

 

 

[MRGTB]

1 hour ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

BBs like the Fuso completely obliterate her at any range.

Not surprised by that really. My Nelson has a hard time facing a Fuso. The guns are good on that ship when they hit you. One thing I will say about the PEF, it's a hard ship to hit at distance in another BB. It has a very narrow broadside (much like the Shorn) that makes it pretty hard to land shot on from distance. And being on receiving end of it using AP, dunno it seems to dish some punishment out on my Nelson pretty easy. The guns didn't appear that bad.

[159Hunter]

1 hour ago, Besserwisser3000 said:

... Squishy AND bad guns. Her only saving grace is her speed and somewhat decent belt armor. But then again, her guns get knocked out left and right.

...

 

 

I don't get why people call it squishy? Is it because broadsiding in it gets punished?

As for losing guns, I think they were knocked out two times in the 40 games I've played.

[Ysterpyp]

im still waiting for buff to 

 

Spoiler

 

So i wouldn't hold my breath

[1MajorKoenig]

6 hours ago, 159Hunter said:

I don't get why people call it squishy? Is it because broadsiding in it gets punished?

As for losing guns, I think they were knocked out two times in the 40 games I've played.

 

Err.. Nope. She is called squishy because she is covered in 25mm plating all around. Only belt (mostly under water) and casemats are really protected. Hence why she eats normal pen damage everywhere and is equal overmatched everywhere. 

 

Nice bonus: her tapered forward belt is completely under water (overload?)

 

 

Nothing to do with this “if you are broadside you get punished” - noob blabla 

[Exocet6951]

1 hour ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Err.. Nope. She is called squishy because she is covered in 25mm plating all around

 

As opposed to the armored behemoth that is the New Mexico? 

 

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think that playing German BBs with all around HE and overmatch protecting plating has corrupted your image of what is squishy and what is normal. 

 

 

Keep in mind that I don't have a horse in this race. 

I'm not even playing the game, so the ship being too strong or too weak is going right over my head. 

[1MajorKoenig]

10 minutes ago, Exocet6951 said:

 

As opposed to the armored behemoth that is the New Mexico? 

 

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think that playing German BBs with all around HE and overmatch protecting plating has corrupted your image of what is squishy and what is normal. 

 

 

Keep in mind that I don't have a horse in this race. 

I'm not even playing the game, so the ship being too strong or too weak is going right over my head. 

 

Well my point is she is just as armored as Dunkerque or the other T6 BBs and not the armored monster ppl make her out to be. She isn’t terrible but not stellar either. I don’t have a problem with her armor - I just have a problem with her punch. She is really more of a supporter. Which is the last thing a BB should be in my opinion.

 

 

btw: you quit? Sad to read that 

[HaachamaShipping]

9 minutes ago, Exocet6951 said:

 

As opposed to the armored behemoth that is the New Mexico? 

 

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think that playing German BBs with all around HE and overmatch protecting plating has corrupted your image of what is squishy and what is normal. 

 

 

Keep in mind that I don't have a horse in this race. 

I'm not even playing the game, so the ship being too strong or too weak is going right over my head. 

I call it squishy because it isn't just 25 mm bow and stern, both which are massive, but 270 mm belt, and a citadel that is not hard to hit. Add to that that it is in the lower half of hp pools at T6 and the New Mexico looks comparably tanky, especially with the new Colorado heal.

 

And why there is a point to "If you are broadside you get punished", we shouldn't neglect that an effective citadel protection while pandering to the unskilled is not without use for those who don't regularly broadside, as it increases the options at hand, especially at brawling. The kind of playstyle that would for example be successful in Gneisenau and sometimes necessary, will just get you utterly wiped out in a Nelson and a good bit is down to how easy it is to hit the citadel. So, ships with a citadel aren't necessarily unplayable, but it certainly can make a difference, especially on a ship that is lauded as a brawler.

[Exocet6951]

28 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

Well my point is she is just as armored as Dunkerque or the other T6 BBs and not the armored monster ppl make her out to be. She isn’t terrible but not stellar either. I don’t have a problem with her armor - I just have a problem with her punch. She is really more of a supporter. Which is the last thing a BB should be in my opinion.

 

 

btw: you quit? Sad to read that 

 

Oh yeah, in that sense yes, she's perfectly average looking for a battlecruiser.

 

And yeah I quit, but it's for a year to unwind and see if WG stops making boneheaded decisions and pushing forward with them. 

.... 

Such as pushing the PEF with modernized AA when she could have been a good counterpart to the Kongo at T5. 

[CatgirlConnoisseur]

10 hours ago, Seiranko said:

When you can grind 4 million in PEF and 4 million in one other main nation for a total of 8 million or grind 24 million in 6 nations, which is preferable? Anyone with a PEF will likely try get the 4th directive done with PEF.

"Grinding" 24 Million is only a grind if you don't have the flags and ships in my Opinion. I'm happy to do the 6 different nations as I literally hate the PeF and only bought the base pack as I wanted the steel. 
Then again I do have Jean Bart, Missouri, Kronstadt and Musahi for 4/6 and other premiums to cover the last two nations and flags to enhance my credit earning. 

Took me like 3/4 games in each Nation to get half of them done. Just 12 mil to go I guess 

[BLUB__BLUB]

44 minutes ago, IJNBattleship_Kongo said:

"Grinding" 24 Million is only a grind if you don't have the flags and ships in my Opinion. I'm happy to do the 6 different nations as I literally hate the PeF and only bought the base pack as I wanted the steel. 
Then again I do have Jean Bart, Missouri, Kronstadt and Musahi for 4/6 and other premiums to cover the last two nations and flags to enhance my credit earning. 

Took me like 3/4 games in each Nation to get half of them done. Just 12 mil to go I guess 

This makes sense. When you have the ships, you do not want the PEF, you want the steel.

I think a wise decision. Far better than wanting the ship. 

[Aragathor]

Flamu is streaming the PEF, his opinion - "gah! I hate this ship!". Here's a spicy direct quote:

 

Spoiler

 

 

It looks to me the PEF has few friends among the CCs.

[1MajorKoenig]

Just now, Aragathor said:

Flamu is streaming the PEF, his opinion - "gah! I hate this ship!".

 

It looks to me the PEF has few friends among the CCs.

 

In this case I agree a 100% with him.

[Gr3n8]

1 hour ago, Aragathor said:

Flamu is streaming the PEF, his opinion - "gah! I hate this ship!".

 

It looks to me the PEF has few friends among the CCs.

Watching him play gives me horribly painful flashbacks of my own experiences with the ship x)

 

 

Well, I just finished the 4 million credits event missions you could do with the PEF, and this disgrace to the game can now rust in my port until they fix it or it crumbles to virtual dust and ash. It was and still is a chore to play, so I even tore the prussian flag off its mast and removed the prem camo and the captain, so I can't end up playing it by accident. A damn shame.

[DJ_Die]

12 hours ago, MRGTB said:

Not surprised by that really. My Nelson has a hard time facing a Fuso. The guns are good on that ship when they hit you. One thing I will say about the PEF, it's a hard ship to hit at distance in another BB. It has a very narrow broadside (much like the Shorn) that makes it pretty hard to land shot on from distance. And being on receiving end of it using AP, dunno it seems to dish some punishment out on my Nelson pretty easy. The guns didn't appear that bad.

My Nelson doesnt have that problem, id say the problem is the captain. 

[CatgirlConnoisseur]

4 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

This makes sense. When you have the ships, you do not want the PEF, you want the steel.

I think a wise decision. Far better than wanting the ship. 

Well from the PeF steel I got the Stalingrad so I guess its a worthwhile trade even if the PeF makes me want to cry into my pillow at night 

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Am 29.12.2018 um 04:17, Nautical_Metaphor sagte:

I dislike the lurid and unconstructive title of this thread.

Ok I finally got around to unlock it myself and I have to say, the lurid title is completely 100% justified. I thought the low tier French BBs were bad but this thing takes the cake. Once the CV rework hits and the AA becomes meaningless, the only redeeming feature will be the secondaries and I'm not even sure a full secondaries build is even worth it. So wet, so slow. Handles like a whale. Unworthy of being in the German BB line. Why would WG inflict this on us? Greed is understandable for me in a commercial enterprise but this is sadism.

 

Edit: I take back the 'slow' since she actually is faster than all non-French Tier VI BBs. Probably the sluggish handling just gave me that whalish impression.

 

In any event, I've compared the Scharnhorst to a brand new AMG C-Class and the Graf Spee to a pre-owned old Golf GTI. This thing is a Scirocco Diesel.

♫♪♪ 54 mpgiesel... ♫♪♪

 

[Hesp]

ok, the ship is horrible. A cruise turret turn (35s base) maybe and just maybe it would make it fun.

[JapLance]

Today I got the ship, finally...

 

Ship is good, guns are rubbish. The Dunkerque syndrome again: Bad dispersion, tons of overpenetrations and pitiful damage when finally you get some hits.

 

Got it, will play it a bit now to get the steel and will probably be a port queen only used again when a mission requires German ships.

[BLUB__BLUB]

No matter what angle I hit it (when I am in Hood), I get at least 5000 dmg.

Now... if I hit a Nurnberg I can blap it... but usually not, and sometimes I get 1200 dmg. 

PEF is probably not worse than a Nurnberg... but on average I'd say I better shoot PEF than Nurnberg.