PEF guns really suck, cant overmatch BB armour

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

Compared to the Bayern it sucks donkey ballz, as soon as I have done all the steel stuff with it. Im shelving that crap excuse for a ship.

[ColonelPete]

Yeah, nobody knew before that 350mm have a problem overmatching BB armor

 

Hint: BB are not your targets.

[Aragathor]

It's a Christmas ship, what did you expect? That the ship will be at least average?

WG has made the ship weak on purpose.

[GarrusBrutus]

Obvious troll is obvious

[HaachamaShipping]

From the shop:

Spoiler

Key features

• Eight 350 mm main guns placed in four twin turrets. Standard reload time: 28 s. Firing range: 17.8 km. The guns are accurate but shells have a relatively low velocity and less armor-piercing capability

It's the first thing they point out on key features even.

[Tyrendian89]

the "yeah not crap sherlock" is strong with this one...

like hell am I going to play a few dozen matches in that sad tub...

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

On 12/20/2018 at 8:28 PM, ColonelPete said:

Yeah, nobody knew before that 350mm have a problem overmatching BB armor

 

Hint: BB are not your targets.

When ranked mm gives me a 1 bb match and my opponent is a bb then it is a target

 

On 12/20/2018 at 8:29 PM, GarrusBrutus said:

Obvious troll is obvious

shush matey shush

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

When ranked mm gives me a 1 bb match and my opponent is a bb then it is a target

Then do not use her for Ranked or adapt your gun use!

That is like complaining that water is wet.

[Tivook]

11 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Yeah, nobody knew before that 350mm have a problem overmatching BB armor

 

Hint: BB are not your targets.

It's certainly sports one of the worst set of guns at tier 6.

 

If one side gets a bunch of New Mexicos and Bayerns and the other team gets 3 Prinz Eitel Friedrich, then the game is pretty much lost.

It's a matter of game balance too. This ship is absolutely useless.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

17 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

water is wet.

Hold the press! Breaking News!

Scientists discover that water is wet!

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

I rather have accurate guns... Anyhow, happy with mine :)

[AnEvilJoke]

5 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

Hold the press! Breaking News!

Scientists discover that water is wet!

 

 

[wilkatis_LV]

43 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

PEF guns really suck, cant overmatch BB armour

Except that they can. T5 BBs have 19mm base plating, and 24mm of overmatch more than clears it.

 

Also according to your logic only Yamatos guns don't suck at tier 10?

 

34 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

When ranked mm gives me a 1 bb match and my opponent is a bb then it is a target

Ever heard of "correct amo for the situation"?

 

He's bow on to you and you can't overmatch it? Fire AP into the superstructure and switch to HE, or simply find a better target to shoot at

 

34 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

water is wet

 

[Tivook]

On 12/20/2018 at 9:01 PM, AnEvilJoke said:

 

 

Dude, Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya has 305 mm guns and they own these crap guns any day of the week, at tier 5.

If you're going to try to be funny, then actually be funny.

 

Bad AP penetration, low HE fire chance, bad accuracy, slow turret traverse and on top of that, 28 second reload for a 350mm gun.

It's ok if the guns have some kind of drawback but every drawback is a bit much.

Edit: Forgot to mention the low shell velocity. It only proves my point however, the guns have all the drawbacks they can have.

[black_falcon120]

As someone who is considering buying one, is this ship bad? 

[BLUB__BLUB]

50 minutes ago, Tivook said:

Bad AP penetration, low HE fire chance, bad accuracy, slow turret traverse and on top of that, 28 second reload for a 350mm gun.

It's ok if the guns have some kind of drawback but every drawback is a bit much.

Edit: Forgot to mention the low shell velocity. It only proves my point however, the guns have all the drawbacks they can have.

Put IFHE on it, it worked on King Grog the Filth... 

[aboomination]

Wonder if OP actually knows what overmatching means...

[1MajorKoenig]

12 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

As someone who is considering buying one, is this ship bad? 

 

It is a steaming pile of garbage. Guns are worse than T5 cruiser guns but with Battleship downsides like inaccuracies and very slow reload on top. Plus its armor is for some strange reason below the waterline. The rest is mediocre 

 

 

DON’T BUY THIS crap !!!!!!!

 

 

(I will ask the support for a refund it is insulting really)

[wilkatis_LV]

1 hour ago, Tivook said:

Bad AP penetration

Pen itself isn't too bad up to 13...14km, past that they seem to get kinda miserable. What you probably mean is "this is one of the rare ships at t6 which can't overmatch the 25mm bow". Remember when that was the norm rather than an exception? Good old times...

 

1 hour ago, Tivook said:

low HE fire chance

Actually similar to ships with this caliber

 

PEF (350) 27%

Fuso (356) 25%

NewMex (356) 30%

Normandie (340) 26%

 

Seems to be pretty standard

 

1 hour ago, Tivook said:

bad accuracy

Actually quite the opposite, she's rather accurate for a BB.

While she still has standard german horizontal dispersion values, she has 2.0 sigma and some seemingly impressive vertical dispersion (I'd say mostly tnx to shell velocity)

 

1 hour ago, Tivook said:

slow turret traverse

45s is manageable, at least it's not the 72 of QE...

 

1 hour ago, Tivook said:

28 second reload for a 350mm gun

Again, similar caliber guns:

 

PEF (350) 28s

Fuso (356) 28s

NewMex (356) 34.2s

Normandie (340) 30s

Dunkek (330) 28s

 

28s is either pretty standard, or if you look at NewMex and Normandie - pretty damn good for 350s

 

1 hour ago, Tivook said:

Forgot to mention the low shell velocity

Comparing AP shell flight time at your max range (17.8km) to similar calibers once more

PEF (350) 11.95s

Fuso (356) 10.83s (-1.08s)

NewMex (356) 10.15s (-1.8s)

Normandie (340) 10.74s (-1.21s)

 

Sure, PEF's a bit slower, but the buff it gives to you in acuracy... the flight time is small enough for it to be totally worth it

 

1 hour ago, Tivook said:

It only proves my point however

You'd have a point if at least something you said actually held up to some level of truth. Sadly enough, nothing does

 

Edit:

5 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Battleship downsides like inaccuracies and very slow reload on top

Just read above

[black_falcon120]

IT seems to be a polarising ship.... 

[1MajorKoenig]

6 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said:

Pen itself isn't too bad up to 13...14km, past that they seem to get kinda miserable. What you probably mean is "this is one of the rare ships at t6 which can't overmatch the 25mm bow". Remember when that was the norm rather than an exception? Good old times...

 

Actually similar to ships with this caliber

 

PEF (350) 27%

Fuso (356) 25%

NewMex (356) 30%

Normandie (340) 26%

 

Seems to be pretty standard

 

Actually quite the opposite, she's rather accurate for a BB.

While she still has standard german horizontal dispersion values, she has 2.0 sigma and some seemingly impressive vertical dispersion (I'd say mostly tnx to shell velocity)

 

45s is manageable, at least it's not the 72 of QE...

 

Again, similar caliber guns:

 

PEF (350) 28s

Fuso (356) 28s

NewMex (356) 34.2s

Normandie (340) 30s

Dunkek (330) 28s

 

28s is either pretty standard, or if you look at NewMex and Normandie - pretty damn good for 350s

 

Comparing AP shell flight time at your max range (17.8km) to similar calibers once more

PEF (350) 11.95s

Fuso (356) 10.83s (-1.08s)

NewMex (356) 10.15s (-1.8s)

Normandie (340) 10.74s (-1.21s)

 

Sure, PEF's a bit slower, but the buff it gives to you in acuracy... the flight time is small enough for it to be totally worth it

 

You'd have a point if at least something you said actually held up to some level of truth. Sadly enough, nothing does

 

Edit:

Just read above

 

It is the package dude. It stinks 

[CauldronBorn]

2 games, first impression:

total garbage.

Feels sluggish, turrets feel slow, slow reload for 8 crap guns. On t6 Arizona is much better, imo.

 

Edit: It has nothing going for it (only against): Mutsu has killer guns, Arizona has many guns, at T7: Nelson has heal and large guns, Scharnhorst has armor, torps and fast guns, etc...

PEF is just a floating pile of...

[1MajorKoenig]

11 minutes ago, CauldronBorn said:

2 games, first impression:

total garbage.

Feels sluggish, turrets feel slow, slow reload for 8 crap guns. On t6 Arizona is much better, imo.

 

Even Kongo is better.

 

@wilkatis_LV did you even play her? Her pen is worse than Kongo’s and Konig’s and the accuracy with 2.0 sigma is barely noticeable. The reload is indeed the same as Fuso’s but Fuso has 50% more rifles. The whole thing isn’t unplayable. But incredibly unfun. And certainly well below average. 

 

EDIT: no I am not talking about overmatch. I am talking raw pen.

[BLUB__BLUB]

8 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

 

@wilkatis_LV did you even play her? Her pen is worse than Kongo’s and Konig’s and the accuracy with 2.0 sigma is barely noticeable. The reload is indeed the same as Fuso’s but Fuso has 50% more rifles. The whole thing isn’t unplayable. But incredibly unfun. And certainly well below average. 

 

Did you check his stats? he can make even a frikkin' floatin' turd play good... oh wait... 

[Verblonde]

FWIW this is LWM's review of PEF: http://shipcomrade.com/?p=1829

 

TL;DR: Mehbote, plus:

 

PROS:
Her Main Battery is precise with good fire angles and an accelerated reload time.
Main battery HE shells and 150mm secondaries have improved penetration.
Heavy secondary gun battery with a 5.0km range.
Decent anti-aircraft firepower concentrated in large-caliber guns.
Fast for a tier VI battleship with a top speed of 28.0kts.
Lert says it’s drop dead gorgeous.  I dunno that I agree but he helps me out a lot so I’ll give it to him.

 

CONS:
Vulnerable citadel for a German battleship with no turtleback armour.
Armed with only eight 350mm guns with poor AP penetration and weak HE shells.
Guns rotation rate feels sluggish.  She can almost out-turn her turrets.
Large turning radius of 800m.
Feels blind with no spotter aircraft consumable.

 

Edit: "And finally, this is one of the worst battleships in the game when it comes to being up-tiered.  Against tier VIII opponents, her weapon systems just aren’t up to scratch."