Russian Battleship Line

[TicoXotaR]

My impression for a Russian Battleship line if added to World of Warships. Tier 3-4 were built and in service, 5-6 were ships that were transferred to the Soviet Union during WW2 or post war, 7-10 are projects that didn't materialise or never finished construction.

 

Tier 3 Sevastopol (Gangut Class Battleship (WW1)). The first completed ship of Russia's first class of Dreadnought battleships and sister ship to Oktyabryskaya Revolutsiya (October Revolution). Commissioned: 1915.

Dimensions
Length: 181m
Beam: 26.9m
Draught: 8.99m
Armor 
Waterline Belt: 125-225mm
Deck: 12-50mm
Turrets: 76-203mm
Barbettes: 75-150mm
Conning Tower: 100-254mm
Armament: 4x3 305mm, 11x1 120mm
AA Defense: 3x1 76mm, 16x1 37mm, 12x1 12.7mm
Speed: 18 knots

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Tier 4 Imperatritsa Mariya (Imperatritsa Mariya Class Battleship (WW1)). The first class of dreadnoughts for Russia's Black sea fleet. Commissioned in 1915.

Dimensions
Length: 168m
Beam: 27.43m
Draught: 8.36m
Armor 
Waterline Belt: 125-262.5mm
Deck: 9-50mm
Turrets: 250mm
Barbettes: 250mm
Conning Tower: 300mm
Armament: 4x3 305mm, 20x1 130mm
Speed: 21 knots

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Tier 5 Novorossiysk (Formely known as Giulio Cesare (Conte di Cavour-class dreanought battleship). Commissioned in 1914, was transferred to the Soviet Union in 1949 until 1957.

 <<< What the ship looked like after refit.

Dimensions
Length: (RU)186.4m
Beam: (RU) 33.1m
Draught: (ITA) 9.3m
Armor
Waterline Belt: (ITA)130-250mm
Deck: (ITA)24-40mm, (RU)135-166mm
Turrets: (ITA) 240-280mm
Barbettes: 130-230mm
Conning Tower: (ITA)180-280mm, (RU)130-280mm.
Armament: (ITA)2x3 305mm, 2x2 305mm, 18x1 120mm, 14x1 76.2mm
(RU)2x3 320mm, 2x2 320mm, 3x2 120mm, 4x2 100mm.
AA Defense: (ITA) 14x1 76.2mm (RU)4x2 100mm .
Speed: (ITA) 21.5 knots, (RU) 27 knots

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Tier 6 Arkhangelsk (Formerly known as HMS Royal Soverign (Revenge Class Battleship))  Launched in 1915, She was transferred to the Soviet Union in 1944 until 1949.

Dimensions
Length: (UK) 189.2m.
Beam: (UK) 27m.
Draught: (UK)10.2m.
Armor
Waterline Belt: (UK) 330mm.
Deck: (UK) 25-102mm.
Turrets: (UK) 279-330mm.
Barbettes: (UK) 152-254mm
Conning Tower: (UK) 76-279mm.
Bulkheads: (UK) 152mm.
Armament: (UK) 4x2 381mm, 14x1 152mm.
AA Defense: (UK) 2x1 76mm, 4x1 47mm.
Speed: (UK) 23 knots.

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Tier 7 Borodino Class Battlecruisers (WW1).  AKA The Izmali-class battlecruisers, All four battlecruisers were launched between 1915-16. Three were scrapped in 1923, With the lead ship having been planned to become an aircraft carrier, but was inevitably scrapped in 1931.

Dimensions 
Length: 223.85m
Beam: 30.5m
Draught: 8.81m
Armor
Waterline Belt: 125-237.5mm
Deck: 37.5-75mm
Turrets:  300mm
Barbettes: 147.5-247.5mm
Conning Tower: 300-400mm
Bulkheads: 75-300mm
Armament: Turret A mod 4x3 356mm , (Turret B module may be an option with 4x3 381mm) 24x1 130mm.
AA Defense: 4x1 64mm
Torpedoes: 2x3 450mm
Speed: 26.5 knots (28-30 knots with propulsion upgrade)

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Tier 8 (Project 21 Nelson type battleship) Similar to HMS Rodney and Nelson. Cancelled during WW2 i think.

Dimensions
Length: 225m
Beam: 32.3m
Draught: 31.5m
Armor
Waterline Belt: 107.95-355mm
Decks: 107.95-178.75mm
Turrets: 101.6-406mm
Barbettes: 355-381mm
Conning Tower: 152-406mm
Bulkheads: 101-304.8
Armament: 3x3 406mm, 4x2 152mm, 4x2 100mm Dual Purpose
AA Defense: 4x2 100mm Dual Purpose, 8x2 64mm 
Speed: 24 knots (27 with propulsion upgrade)

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Tier 9 Sovetsky Rossiya (Soviet Russia) (Sovetsky Soyuz Class Battleship. A response to UK's Lion Class, USA's Montana Class and Japan's Yamato Class battleships. The Lead ship was over 20% complete before the project was cancelled.

*Project 23* late 30s - mid 40s
Dimensions
Length: 269.4m
Beam: 38.9m
Draught: 10.4m
Armor 
Waterline Belt: 180-420mm
Deck: 25-155mm
Turrets: 230-495mm
Barbettes: 425mm
Bulkheads: 75-365mm
Conning Tower: 425mm
Armament: 3x3 406mm, 3x2 152mm, 3x2 100mm dual purpose.
AA Defense: 3x2 100mm dual purpose, 10x4 37mm.
Speed: 30 knots

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Tier 10 Super Sovetsky Soyuz (Soviet Union) (Sovetsky Soyuz Class Battleship. A further continuation of project 23. Like 23, 24 was also cancelled after WW2.
*Project 24* late 40s - early 50s

Dimensions
Length: 275m
Beam: 41m
Draught: 12m
Armor 
Waterline Belt: 180-450mm
Deck: 25-155mm
Turrets: 230-530mm
Barbettes: 480mm
Bulkheads: 75-365mm
Conning Tower: 450mm
Armament: 3x3 430mm, 4x2 152mm, 4x2 100mm dual purpose.
AA Defense: 4x2 100mm dual purpose, 12x2 40mm, 4x2 25mm
Speed: 28 knots
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GOOD TO KNOW THAT 5 OF THESE SHIPS I PUT IN THIS SHIP LINE WILL BE IN WG'S SOVIET BB LINE!! 

Gangut is Tier 4 on WG's line.

Borodino/Izmail is Tier 6 on WG's line.

Project 21 is still in Tier 8 but as a Premium on WG's line.

Project 23 is Tier 9 on both mine and WG's line.

Project 24 is Tier 10 on both mine and WG's line.

[thiextar]

I wonder what would be their strengths/weaknesses tho.... I guess railguns...

[Tyrendian89]

26 minutes ago, TicoXotaR said:

Tier 3 Sevastopol (Gangut Class Battleship (WW1)). The first completed ship of Russia's first class of Dreadnought battleships and sister ship to Oktyabryskaya Revolutsiya (October Revolution). Commissioned: 1915.

sister of the OR. Which is at T5. And you'd put that at T3... yeah right...

[Verblonde]

1 minute ago, Tyrendian89 said:

sister of the OR. Which is at T5. And you'd put that at T3... yeah right...

I may be mis-reading, but isn't the T5 version post-refit, and the proposal above the original 'as built'?

[Tyrendian89]

1 minute ago, Verblonde said:

I may be mis-reading, but isn't the T5 version post-refit, and the proposal above the original 'as built'?

true, but thats still a 12x305mm broadside. That... doesn't work at T3, unless you make literally everything else suck completely, along the lines of a 40s reload or thereabouts...

[ColonelPete]

They will not use foreign ships for the tech tree.

[Verblonde]

12 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

true, but thats still a 12x305mm broadside. That... doesn't work at T3, unless you make literally everything else suck completely, along the lines of a 40s reload or thereabouts...

But glorious Russian battleship, comrade - is better, da?

[Humorpalanta]

The actual TX one:

[TicoXotaR]

1 hour ago, Verblonde said:

I may be mis-reading, but isn't the T5 version post-refit, and the proposal above the original 'as built'?

The Tier 5 is post Refit. The Tier 3 is what the ships looked like before this refit.

[DariusJacek]

1 godzinę temu, ColonelPete napisał:

They will not use foreign ships for the tech tree.

They may use GC, it is so well balanced

[Vampiric_Penguin]

Would be cool to see these in game.

[Pegasus2022]

Will they be built from stalinium and have magic properties like everything else USSR in WoT and WoWs?

[LastButterfly]

5 hours ago, TicoXotaR said:

Tier 10 Super Sovetsky Soyuz (Soviet Union) (Sovetsky Soyuz Class Battleship. A further continuation of project 23. Like 23, 24 was also cancelled after WW2.
*Project 24* late 40s - early 50s
 

Dimensions
Length: 275m
Beam: 41m
Draught: 12m
Armor 
Waterline Belt: 180-450mm
Deck: 25-155mm
Turrets: 230-530mm
Barbettes: 480mm
Bulkheads: 75-365mm
Conning Tower: 450mm
Armament: 3x3 430mm, 4x2 152mm, 4x2 100mm dual purpose.
AA Defense: 4x2 100mm dual purpose, 12x2 40mm, 4x2 25mm
Speed: 28 knots

 

Where did you find this data ?

 

According too all sources I could find regarding project 24 :

It'd have been 282m long

it should have reached 30kn of speed

it was to equip an armament of 3*3 406, 12*2 130, and about 50 barrels of 45mm and 50 barrels of 25mm

 

Your data is radically different, especially in armament. Could you give a source so I can compare ?

 

5 hours ago, TicoXotaR said:

Tier 8 (Project 21 Nelson type battleship) Similar to HMS Rodney and Nelson. Cancelled during WW2 i think.
 

Dimensions
Length: 225m
Beam: 32.3m
Draught: 31.5m
Armor
Waterline Belt: 107.95-355mm
Decks: 107.95-178.75mm
Turrets: 101.6-406mm
Barbettes: 355-381mm
Conning Tower: 152-406mm
Bulkheads: 101-304.8
Armament: 3x3 406mm, 4x2 152mm, 4x2 100mm Dual Purpose
AA Defense: 4x2 100mm Dual Purpose, 8x2 64mm 
Speed: 24 knots (27 with propulsion upgrade)

 

Similarly, I am curious regarding this data.

According to the following table :

 

 

In which the first two variants of project 21 are the first two columns :

-The battleship was to be equipped with secondary armament of either 4*3 152, 6*2 100 & 9*4 37, or 4*2 155, 7*2 100 & 13*2 37.

-It was meant for a speed or about 30kn

-Also when looking at your stats, I doubt it was to have a draught of 30+m... or anything for that matter xD

 

Armament disparities also appear in your description of Sovetsky Soyuz Project 23, where you indicated 3*2 152mm, while I find 6*2 when looking it up. Same goes for 100mm guns. I believe the mistake is cause you believed 6 was the number of barrels, as in "six guns spread between double turrets" but then your 10*' 37mm seems not to have that symptom so...

Besides, you can see the secondary turrets on the drawing you put. May aswell count them.

 

 

Rusian battleships, or paper projects for that matters, are a real mess. I hope you keep your sources ordered, otherwise, it's real easy to get lost xD

[Major_Damage225]

I'll pass on posting the 4x4 16 inch gun super nikolai since i posted it so many times, i dont want to spam that thing, so i'll post the link to the site where i found it at. 

 

However here is a site with a few rusky BB projects(and that monster) proposed for the navy that i think you might find interesting. 

http://www.gwpda.org/naval/irn16bb.htm

Highly recomended to take 5 minutes of your time and have a look. 

 

One of the thing's i found hillarious is the first one had aromured funnels 

[Seiranko]

Ah yeah, OR isn't already decent at T5. Nikolai isn't already OP at T4. We need such a monstrosity at T3 now.

 

Also, what better way to fill T5 than to take the most OP T5 and give it a Russian refit?

 

Meanwhile T7 is basically on the level of a Fuso. Honestly, this so unbalanced, even WG would notice it within half a year of release.

[Sir_Grzegorz]

And the gimmick they will have will be a consumable that was tested during halloween.
Ladies and gentelman pick your poison:
- 15 km radar
or
- consumable that improves your sigma a lot

I hope I am wrong.

[1MajorKoenig]

21 minutes ago, Sir_Grzegorz said:

And the gimmick they will have will be a consumable that was tested during halloween.
Ladies and gentelman pick your poison:
- 15 km radar
or
- consumable that improves your sigma a lot

I hope I am wrong.

 

Given that apart from Ganguts and unfinished Sovietski Sojus along with two foreign ships there are no real ships they can very well just do a line of Rasputins. Nobody will see the difference 

 

However if there will be a Sigma-boost for these ships it might turn out disastrous. Reload booster was already pushing the boundaries (although I proposed that consumable for the British Battlecruisers myself which would be balanced through bad survivability) - but a Sigma booster is a terrible terrible idea!!!!

[22cm]

No, but they will have best shell velocity and pen angle, and best armor. Stalingrad-like.

Because Soviet Navy was stronk and glorious, comrades.

[fumtu]

1 hour ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Given that apart from Ganguts and unfinished Sovietski Sojus along with two foreign ships there are no real ships they can very well just do a line of Rasputins. Nobody will see the difference

 

Well Imperatritsa Mariya class and Gangut class were both built and could be used for T3 and T4. Borodino class battlecruiser was in process of building and it could be used for T5/T6 depending on how it is balanced. So far you have a natural progress from 305mm to 356mm with similar ship characteristics. There were several similar designs that could be used for T6 & T7 ships. Majority of them were armed with 406mm, only difference is number of them, 9 or 12 guns. Sovetsky Soyuz class could be used for T9 and T10 with different guns. Not sure which one would be used for T8.

 

While lacking ships that served there were enough ship in process of building and proposal to create a solid BB line. Beside Italians, Soviet Navy is the last one which could offer complete BB line. Pan American and Pan European could give half line but I doubt there is many if any project that could be use for high tiers.

[Panocek]

2 hours ago, Sir_Grzegorz said:

And the gimmick they will have will be a consumable that was tested during halloween.
Ladies and gentelman pick your poison:
- 15 km radar
or
- consumable that improves your sigma a lot

I hope I am wrong.

Or what Okt.Rev have - limited Damage Control Party.

 

7 minutes ago, 22cm said:

No, but they will have best shell velocity and pen angle, and best armor. Stalingrad-like.

Because Soviet Navy was stronk and glorious, comrades.

Now you can go and blame WG for not reflecting such puny traits as breakdowns, gun barrel wear, seakeeping and whatnot, all for Bussian Rias

 

[josykay]

I am pretty sure, WG will use a dreadnought version of Andrei Pervozvanny, like they already did with Turenne, that is a redesigned Danton.

I highly doubt, that WG would dare, to set a 12 Gun battleship with 24 knots top speed at tier 3. The first austrian dreadnought is tier 4, the first french one is. Some nations started later, so their first ships are naturally different.

 

Also, we know how well König Albert worked at Tier 3. We have completely different ship generations, and to balance Gangut, she would have to be atrocious to play.

[CptBarney]

Need bigger gunz ladz.

[159Hunter]

12 hours ago, thiextar said:

I wonder what would be their strengths/weaknesses tho.... I guess railguns...

FIFY

[Humorpalanta]

Imagine a Main Battery Reload Booster on these things.

[Redcap375]

I'm not going to lie when i say i am worried about Russian Battleships entering this game.

 

Tanky, Hard hitting rail guns that are Op. Even though they didn't do a thing during the war. 

 

Like the IS3 or Russian line in WT that destroyed the game.