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Is Tirpitz tankier and better ship than Massachusetts?

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Dpm. Both on main guns and secondaries. Also, less easy to bumrush in a Prinz Eugen/Hipper, because the guns can actually overmatch the cruiser.

 

Also, AA. If you just want a ship to brawl BBs with, Tirpitz is better. If you want a ship to brawl anything else with, Massachusetts is better.

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AA definitely deserves a mention (until the CV rework anyway).  Tirpitz dies fast to AP bombs.  They don't get much luck with Mass.  Fewer reach it, and they don't land citadels every hit.

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Tirpitz has better armour especcially close range citadel protection

 

Massachusetts has better main guns - power and  overmatch

Massachusetts has better secondaries -

Massachusetts' secondaries have 40% lower dispersion

Tirpitz 105mm guns penetrate very little but their 150mm will pen more than 32mm. 127mm from Massachusetts will pen 20mm or 27mm with IFHE.

Secondary DPM is also in Massachusetts favour, fire chance marginally better for the tirpitz due to more shells on target.

Massachusetts as a very short cooldown for it's repair party.

Massachusetts has fantastic AA, Tirpitz one of the worst

Tirpitz is faster but Massachusetts has a much better turning circle

Massachusetts has much better torpedo protection

 

IMO

Tirpitz only wins at close engagements with battleships Massachusetts is better at everything else

 

To me i'm starting to think the Massachusetts is a little OP, It feels like someone has just put tier-for-tier the best secondaries on an Alabama with very little downside. 

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I was in Mass sticking the nose out from an Island and suddenly I lost most of my HP. The front plate on Mass citadel is much bigger 156 mm plate compared to Tirpitz smaller 180 mm plate. It was a tier 9-10 game. 

 

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22 hours ago, GudmundurG said:

I was in Mass sticking the nose out from an Island and suddenly I lost most of my HP. The front plate on Mass citadel is much bigger 156 mm plate compared to Tirpitz smaller 180 mm plate. It was a tier 9-10 game. 

 

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Both ships have 32 mm bow so a Yammy / Mushi shot u

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14 minuti fa, Ronchabale ha scritto:

 

Both ships have 32 mm bow so a Yammy / Mushi shot u

 

False, Tirpitz has a tanky lower bow plate of 50mm who makes really difficult penning consistently the front.

 

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Tirpitz was and will always be my first choice to brawl. As any other German BB. 

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Tirpitz got torpedos. Those are to be used when brawling under 6km. They really helps, if you know how to use them.

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25 minutes ago, Vrumugun said:

Tirpitz got torpedos. Those are to be used when brawling under 6km. They really helps, if you know how to use them.

Even the threat of torps forces people to show broadside to try to keep their distance.

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Yeah, its tankier... the only real weakness of the Tirpitz it's his AA.

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