Santa Claus Containers: A Time of Gifts! - Discussion Thread

[m3c0]

23 hours ago, Un_Dac_Liber said:

Hello everyone,

 

Well, I opened 20 mega-gifts and I received the worst ship in the game ( Tier V - Krasny Krim, wich I sold it instanly)...

 

Big mistake, you had to keep it. Thats your guarantee you won't get it ever again! ;)

17 hours ago, L_L_I_B said:

I think this probably overstates the odds on winning a Missouri! 

WG are cynically exploiting understandably naive players putting OP ships, that are not available anymore, in these Santa boxes. It’s only a matter of time before more countries ban loot crates from unscrupulous video game providers. 

Matter of time you say. How much time? *edited*

 

The only thing you could do is1`

a) not to take part in this hidden and perfidious gambling and

b) make a complaint to the respective authority for consumer protection in your country and hope they will at least read it, some day :)

 

I personally have nothing against this gambling thing if it's done legally and fair:
 - as many people already said, all the odds should be officially published and consistent (i.e. impossible to be changed overnight by WG).
 - all the players should have THE SAME chance of getting rare ships, no matter if they are paying customers or are playing for free.
 - WG has to admit it is gambling and pay the respective taxes to the state.
 - And most important - they should stop using rare unavailable ships as a bait. Or at least they should offer those ships for sale once or twice a year.

[BaldieRadge]

On 12/7/2018 at 8:17 AM, MrFingers said:

They are considered gambling if they have these 4 points: 

• It has to have a gaming-part.
• It has to have a clear wage.
• It has to have a chance to win or lose.
• It has to have a random factor.

The "chance to win or lose" does not mean "you either cash in, or your wage vanishes", it means "you either receive the big prize (ships, coal,...) which is winning, or you get the consolation prize (flags, camo's), which is losing". The perceived value of the items has no impact. The paid crates of WG tick all four boxes very firmly, it is gambling. Just not in the most abusive way, but nevertheless: gambling. You gamble on getting a big prize (ships), there is a random chance you might get it and it costs you money to participate.

Bump

P.S Small print doesn't count

 

[anonym_1RHLzHabUBJN]

On 12/11/2018 at 12:45 AM, DarthB0B0 said:

Well to be fair in the video for this event it seems to say that the two free boxes will give two premium ships.. I have listened a number of times and that's what it seems to me.

 

Now this is probably wrong but that's what it says. If people have bought more containers thinking they guarantee a ship then they would rightly be upset.

 

Listen from 34 seconds in... Maybe I am incorrect but to me it says "you'll get a couple of premium ships and some cool bonuses as well" 

 

I thought cool... And got four fifths of F all sigh.

That's exactly what he says: from 0:39 to 0:42 "You will get a couple of premium ships and some cool bonuses as well"

 

Not maybe but will.  That is misrepresentation right there.  

I also suspect they have upped the odds of getting better than average rewards from the free boxes too so as to encourage people to purchase extra boxes.

 

My whole take on this is that WG are sailing VERY close to the wind in terms of misrepresenting the chance of rewards from their gambling and also using questionable sales techniques to manipulate and encourage customers - who may well be minors - to gamble irresponsibly.

 

 

 

[0ptImuS_Pr1mE]

Meh dont wonna play with RNGJesus

[Fesvil]

Crap, outa popcorn.. Keep the complaints alive!!!!

 

Bur seriously, you have a choice, don't buy or buy. You have that with candy as well, yet some seem to have a real problem saying Nay nay! I could have said I am lucky and have all of those special ships and thus the lure for me is not those, but the collectible ships I can get cheaper than buying in the store (in which they are at the moment).. The truth is I have bought 40 small ones just for flags (and oil for our baby clan), I use 8 flags on all boats except CV's that can only use 4 (and I so very much suck at playing CV's).. 

 

All the free EXP ships except Missouri are still available for free exp. If you have played enough to get most of the 56 ships, then you either have spent money on what's unimportant (ships and cosmetics instead of premium time) or not played enough (haven't bothered to check players stats (I know mine are bad :-))). Point is (I seriously doubt players *edited* don't see the value of the dragon flags, camos and any bonus to exp, free exp, captain exp and credits) you can super easily farm enough free exp for all 3 available free exp ships within a year if you maximise your potential, if you play a lot you can even get all of them without premium account (former clan mate has done it, crazy bugger)! Effort, what I see throughout this thread is an amazing lack of effort, you have made choices a lot of times already during your time in World of Warships: What ships to buy, not to buy, what specials to jump on to (black friday, collections, special offers, bundles, in game offers ++++) or not, that some of those choices have been done in error is quite common, that you might have saved for Christmas containers is quite obvious (I have, I could have bought all of the 3 ships I miss during the year (Roma, Gascogne and Massachusets), but I was waiting for the Christmas containers. You can call me cheap :-), I am, sort of. 

 

I keep arguing against these boxes being gambling, I know I'm wrong, but I just don't like the association to the real gambling, so I keep arguing it's a game of chance (which is gambling, but hey, semantics). The thing is, you do this with a LOT of things, even what toy your kid is getting in the Happy Meal is a gamble (though most MCD's will let you nag to get the one your kid really wants if they can), card packs for ALL card games and collections (football, NBA, NHL, NFL, Formula 1.. the list is endless).. But in all those choices as with gambling, you do have a real choice. What I don't like is the incessant nagging from numpties that this is so bad and this should be banned because I didn't get what I desired. Afraid of losing, don't participate, although I bet in the long run, you might even see that winning is not always what you thought it was..

 

Are the super premium ships all that jazz, or is it bragging rights that's the most important piece of your complaints. I can say, from my own perspective (as I have all of them), that the only two ships that I really enjoy playing is the Kamikaze and the Kutuzov. BUT, Kutuzov has been power crept so hard that it is nowhere as fun as it was when it was released (when I bought it), it's a good ship, but on T8 now, you're having a tough time against good T8 ships as your advantage to stealth fire from smoke at 5 km range is no more there. Radar and hydro aplenty makes your life a lot harder :-). Belfast even more so, yes it has radar AND smoke and hydro, and HE and AP. IT's an expensive ship to maintain in the British setup, less so after the inclusion of the British DD line as you now can use a British DD cpt to power it, haven't played it that much since those were introduced, still T7 is harder these days. Missouri is just a slightly worse Iowa, with an insane credit earning potential and 9.5 km radar (somewhat useful, you really don't want to be that close to dd's, but you can hide behind an island and be useful for your team if you end up in those situations), Musashi is really fun if you end up in T7 match making, blap away, but in 9 out of 10 games your the mid tiered yama that'll eat citadels for breakfast, even with good angling. Kronshtadt is an odd ball, it really is, good guns, VERY good guns, but burns like it's soaked in gasoline (even with fireprevention), can utilise the same cpt as Moskva (and quite possibly also Stalingrad, not that I know) and is exceptional when downtiered, meh when uptiered. Emperator, now the "crazy good T4 BB", which eats torps like crazy :-), it's slow, it has no idea what AA is and autodrop from any CV will make your life miserable, the guns and the way they rotate makes your ability to change direction with just the loss of 1 turret's firepower if you change side, is superb. It is an amazing seal clubber, but playing at T4 is just not all that rewarding in the long run. To be honest, Koenig Albert at T3 is a better seal clubber as you are more likely to meet more nibs at that tier, even when playing against T4's.. Now to the final ship of the brady bunch, Kimakaze.. I was hoping to get the Fujin as that is the only iteration of the Kamikaze I don't have, and I'm sort of a collection moron, but it was not to be :-). The Kamikaze is an amazing ship, it was the same as the Minekaze, but then they nerfed the Minekaze slightly (some will say too much, I don't think so, the ship is still nearly as good as the Kamikaze, nearly). The Kamikaze is perhaps the only ship of all of those that works without flaw at all MM situations, except where there are good CV's that know to take care of their BB population, then your life is a bit sad, but that's VERY rare... Gremy has been hit super hard by the stealth fire nerf, which happened a century ago :-). But it is a scary gunboat and with a high tiered captain it will wreck havoc at T5 +/- 1.. It handles T7 MM much worse than the Kamikaze, and VS higher tiered DD's it will lose only to T-61 or maybe the Farragut on T6, T7 will eat you for lunch with ease (btw, Monaghan is not a shitty boat... dont' write it of..). Giulio was available just recently, but it's a good boat, not sure why everybody claims it's OP, perhaps it's just not quite my cup of tea, don't know, but they sink easily enough..

 

So, to the ships you can get, that's available in store or has been just recently. Of all of those, I would cherry pick the T-61 and the Z-39 as DD's go, what boats they are! Amazing! And they're both available in store, Asashio is one of my favourites (also available in store and was in the black friday containers as a B version (exact copy)), but it's usage is severely limited to targeting BB's or CV's with your torpedoes, and most numpty DD players in Asashio will not use their good guns (daft) nor play the objectives (even more daft).. But, get a good MM (T10 doesn't matter at all in this boat) with 5+ BB's and you're in for a treat (and much complaints from the other team)...

 

I've said earlier that I was "cheaping out" waiting for these to get cheap ships, I've gotten Abruzzi and Le Terrible (liked Abruzzi, not tried the terrible one) in 20 Mega containers, got 40 small ones for the flags, and got flags :-). Happy with what I got? Yeah, in the end I am, but I also understand that I'm one of the few that has almost all of the boats you can get, and I understand why many desire to get more boats for less (getting them for less than they're worth I think I'm trying to say), but to whine and complain about the drop rate, when it is pretty easy find information about the drop rates (based on people collecting data from different sources (other player's crate contents)) and pretty easy to understand that it's low (from experience from ALL such things in all games that use the same way of luring people to buy these boxes), I don't get why you are discontent, I don't get the complaints.

 

Regarding gifts, I've yet to find any Christmas gift EVER that's free, none, yet WG gives you several during the year, and 2 for Christmas. You can buy the ones in the store for yourself (even the ones in real life cost money even if you gift it to yourself) or for others, I know several in my clan do that (send each other 5 packs of either small, medium or big gifts).. 

 

Have a happy holiday and please, please, try to have fun, don't put too much emotion into these boxes. It's a game, having fun is why you should be playing this game, not for the potential box content :-).

 

TL:DR; Enjoy the game, not the boxes! And....

 

Merry Christmas

 

 

[Menezes_Manho]

I'm very disappointed.

All stuff is quite expensive in my country; i've opened all three types and a lot 'o "basic" boxes.. same as usual.. a lot of useless camos and not even a single ship.. :( (i spent a price of a ship for the boxes and nothing... )

one of my co workers opened only 2 boxes and he got doublons and a ship as well.. i start to really hate these boxes :(

[Admiral3_battlefield]

So because I live in Belgium, I can't get any Santa Claus container whatsoever since the Belgian legislation restricts me to get them even the free ones. Well I guess there's no point for me to try claiming them if all it does is just showing me a page that says "The premium shop is unavailable" and if the WG player support page which was kindly indicated by Mr Conway himself just shows you how to claim your free Santa crates only if you can load the premium shop page which I CANNOT. No present for me at all this year and I see there's a lot of people experiencing the same problem and not only in Belgium. I think WG should rename the Santa Claus Containers title to "Santa Claus Containers except for Belgium". 

 

Merry Christmas everyone and a happy New Year. 

[Fesvil]

47 minutes ago, Admiral3_battlefield said:

So because I live in Belgium, I can't get any Santa Claus container whatsoever since the Belgian legislation restricts me to get them even the free ones. Well I guess there's no point for me to try claiming them if all it does is just showing me a page that says "The premium shop is unavailable" and if the WG player support page which was kindly indicated by Mr Conway himself just shows you how to claim your free Santa crates only if you can load the premium shop page which I CANNOT. No present for me at all this year and I see there's a lot of people experiencing the same problem and not only in Belgium. I think WG should rename the Santa Claus Containers title to "Santa Claus Containers except for Belgium". 

 

Merry Christmas everyone and a happy New Year. 

Can you circumvent this crap with VPN?

 

[Admiral3_battlefield]

 

 

On 12/12/2018 at 4:41 PM, Fesvil said:

Can you circumvent this crap with VPN?

 

Already tried and nope. It doesn't work. It dosn't matter if you set your vpn in Sweden, Brasil or Australia, your WG account is what determines the place you live. From the moment you tell where you live when you create your account, it stays this way. And that, I cannot change.

[Fesvil]

31 minutes ago, Admiral3_battlefield said:

Already tried and nope. It doesn't work. It dosn't matter if you set your vpn in Sweden, Brasil or Australia, your WG account is what determines the place you live. From the moment you tell where you live when you create your account, it stays this way. And that, I cannot change.

Well that sucks.. The price and currency change based on where you are (I know as I've been playing whilst on holiday in the US) so it would make sense for the same to be applicable to this "restriction". I mean I can legally buy stuff somewhere that is illegal in the country I live in, so why is this not the case with VPN connections for Wows? @MrConway

[Skimmer71]

Indeed for the people living in Belgium, there are no Christmas goodies for them this year, not even the 2 free containers.

I understand WG's policies respecting country laws, but on the other hand there must be something they can do for the Belgian captains playing this game for years now.

At the moment they have fallen out the boat and not even WG is reaching a hand.

Who knows perhaps they notice this issue and will provide some kind of compensation regarding.

Would be nice though.

Anyway for all the people able to buy / recieve crates , i wish them best of luck with the drops and hope they get what they were hoping for.

Merry Christmas to you all.

 

 

 

[Morphinsel]

35 minutes ago, Aggrobat said:

Indeed for the people living in Belgium, there are no Christmas goodies for them this year, not even the 2 free containers.

I understand WG's policies respecting country laws, but on the other hand there must be something they can do for the Belgian captains playing this game for years now.

At the moment they have fallen out the boat and not even WG is reaching a hand.

Who knows perhaps they notice this issue and will provide some kind of compensation regarding.

Would be nice though.

Anyway for all the people able to buy / recieve crates , i wish them best of luck with the drops and hope they get what they were hoping for.

Merry Christmas to you all.

 

 

 

also since those 2 containers are free, they dont fall under the specific gambling laws. Send tickets in guys

[gamers2]

I am also from belgium and every year I bought a few boxes, unfortunately my country has banned just bad Luck...but look at it from the positive side I save money haha

 

[Seinx]

I think they could send you 2 premium containers instead as replacement or would that also be against the law?

[Fesvil]

3 hours ago, gamers2 said:

I am also from belgium and every year I bought a few boxes, unfortunately my country has banned just bad Luck...but look at it from the positive side I save money haha

 

If you spend the money you've saved on Wows crates on something else, you've saved nothing :-).. Wish there would be some way of proving that you're 18 years old and thus would have to legalise it. Or?

[WITWANGFLUITEEND]

:) Wargaming is in research by The Netherlands Gambling Authority illegal lootsbox/giftbox.

 

[WITWANGFLUITEEND]

:) Wargaming is in research by The Netherlands Gambling Authority illegal lootsbox/giftbox.

 

[gamers2]

So they are searching for a solution ? 

[Skimmer71]

14 hours ago, gamers2 said:

I am also from belgium and every year I bought a few boxes, unfortunately my country has banned just bad Luck...but look at it from the positive side I save money haha

 

Yes, Thank you WG to let us save some money :-) 

[MrConway]

22 hours ago, Admiral3_battlefield said:

So because I live in Belgium, I can't get any Santa Claus container whatsoever since the Belgian legislation restricts me to get them even the free ones. Well I guess there's no point for me to try claiming them if all it does is just showing me a page that says "The premium shop is unavailable" and if the WG player support page which was kindly indicated by Mr Conway himself just shows you how to claim your free Santa crates only if you can load the premium shop page which I CANNOT. No present for me at all this year and I see there's a lot of people experiencing the same problem and not only in Belgium. I think WG should rename the Santa Claus Containers title to "Santa Claus Containers except for Belgium". 

 

Merry Christmas everyone and a happy New Year. 

 

The fact that Belgian players cannot claim their free Santa Crates is unfortunate and unintended. We'll manually credit them to your account now, please feel free to let other players in the same situation know that they can contact our support team to have their crates added.

 

 

[AhnKahet]

Both in the video and on the website it says that everyone will receive two free containers. I didn't get them, what to do?
P.S. I just noticed that players from Belgium have the same problem. But i'm not from Belgium and still haven't received them :(

[PhantomSailor]

Soooo this is kind of awkward!
I have all the premiums on the list, any chance I can get Graf Zeppelin... or Kitakami? 
If I don't get a ship, I would feel like I was on the naughty list

[Lacomble1942]

I pass. Santa give's gifts and doesn't ask money for it. NOT GOING TO DRAW MY WALLET FOR SOME *edited* CONTAINERS. 

[Lacomble1942]

On ‎12‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 3:02 PM, CPT_Anima said:

MISSOURI!!! NOW PLS!!! XD

DIG DEEP CAUSE THATS WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO. 

[CAP98100]

Yaay. the article EDITED AGAIN!