Santa Claus Containers: A Time of Gifts! - Discussion Thread

[Myszauke]

Telling the truth why WG simply not make christmas calender in WOWS like in WOT-

That way if people are intressted by some rare ship they can have one day opportunity to simply BUY it.

Playing lotery with zero win chance and adverts with belfast, gremmy and missouri not making people happy.
This is also illegal in some countrys ( Belgium) and simply unethic.

Just imagine those poor kids stealing mums credit card and spending a fortune in order to get missouri landing with a pile of flags and cammos.

 

WG awake- this is not good for your PR  and certainly not for your clients...

[Admiral3_battlefield]

The Santa banner appears on my screen but when i click on it, it tries to load the page and all i get at the end is a message that says that the premium shop is unavailable. 

This is really annoying knowing i've got 2 free santa boxes that i cannot claim because theywon't show up.

I've tried to log out than to relog but again the same message appeared and i cannot get my free santa crates.

Did anyone witness the same problem and is there a solution to it?

 

Thanks in advance.

[MrMeerkatDestroyer]

Alright, I bought 5 big (or as I call them, medium) containers and got this:

- Krispy Kreme (Eh, at least its a ruski 10pt, I only have my 17pt Grozo capt for the russians so although I won't ever touch it, at least I have another 10pter). 

- 2 x 1K dubloons (can't complain)

- 15 Red dragons

- A set of camo

 

From the two free containers:

- Perth (loved leander so a HE leander? Why not?)

- "Normal" flags

 

All in all, not a bad haul however, it is definitely worse than last year. Last year I bought 20 medium crates and pulled Kii, Kidd, Scharnhorst, De Grasse, Gulio Cesare, Okhotnik, 6K dubloons and 180 day premium time.  

[Morphinsel]

23 minutes ago, Admiral3_battlefield said:

The Santa banner appears on my screen but when i click on it, it tries to load the page and all i get at the end is a message that says that the premium shop is unavailable. 

This is really annoying knowing i've got 2 free santa boxes that i cannot claim because theywon't show up.

I've tried to log out than to relog but again the same message appeared and i cannot get my free santa crates.

Did anyone witness the same problem and is there a solution to it?

 

Thanks in advance.

yes i have the same problem. so far no answer from WG

[broja_jacra]

no santa banner, It was there last week but took me to the shop to try and sell me them. No free containers for me

[Smeggo]

If WG puts the ships into the store, I will gladly buy them and support the game.

But putting them behind gambling-mechanic is scummy, I hope these will soon be criminalised everywhere and WG has to think of less dirty methods of selling stuff. :/ 

[TeriXeri]

The 2-5 camo rewards just make the pool of decent to good rewards even more dilluted then they have to be.

 

 

[talpadragos]

Wife bought me 5 "huge" containers as a gift. Bad mistake. Told her.. 4k doubloons, 90 shitty flags.

[Amun_RA]

On 12/7/2018 at 3:52 PM, HMS_Kilinowski said:

Funny how so many people complain about the content of their boxes. Not providing you with the full details of that purchase, not giving you the information needed for a rational choice, is not a matter of impossibility on behalf of WG. This is not the recipe for Coca-Cola. The lack of information on the boxes is intended, basically tells the whole story. Still some can't figure it out. Let me help you.

 

If the value of the boxes was way bigger than the price of the boxes, there would be an economic incentive to let you know the probabilities of all drops. Assume rational behavior on behalf of WG. Basic maths, not patronizing, just saying. If someone wants to sell you a lottery ticket for 10 bugs with a probability of 10% of winning 1000 bugs, why would he not tell you the probability that in that case is so much in your favor? Knowing that probability is, what convinces you to buy the ticket. Whoever could offer such a big deal, would be well advised to be very open about it. He would sell more of these tickets than if he kept it secret. In case of these boxes the case is literally that simple, cause the content is of digital nature, it has no "cost per unit". They can "print boxes" for free.

 

So the logical conclusion is that the value of the gift boxes must be lower than its price. How could the value be lower when the boxes can be printed for free? The valuation is basically a number in your had. You will either accept the regular price tag in the premium shop and base your valuation on a discount factor that comes with the boxes and guessed probabilites, or you will be totally independent of that. Then you just give a digital product an arbitrary price, much like the people in WG marketing did. Forget the idea of production cost. A Missouri is not harder to design than a Mikasa and therefore not more costly. The price was based on a concept of willingness to pay rather than production cost. A ship that yields more ingame ressources and/or wins more games and/or is more historic must have a higher value to the customer.

 

Long story short. If you knew the probabilities on all potential contents you would probably see that their expected value is pretty much the "retail price" minus a mild discount, okayish but not spectacular. You would probably not buy the boxes but wait for some discount on the product itself in the store.

 

Now you might think, I forgot something. There are potential contents that cannot be bought for money, like that almighty Missouri. Well, behavioral science has found the human mind cannot value extremely low probabilities correctly. If I tell you you get 10 bugs with 10% probability you will correctly see the value of this gamble is 1 bug. If I tell you that you can get one million bugs by buying a ticket for 1 bug,^* you might find that the chance of your life. Don't think about it. What is one bug compared to the chance of being a millionaire, driving a Missouri? The chicks will love it! Whatever the odds are, you will find it appealing as the price is what you spend in an instant, whereas the jackpot is of another world. That is the whole psychology behind people playing lotteries. So why should it be different here? You even get people who will confirm your greed by posting things like "I bought one box and got a Belfast". So you switch off your mind and open your purse.

 

I am not judging you who buy these boxes nor WG who offers them. All I want to point out is, you know it's a gamble, you know there is no guarantee of getting anything worthwhile, no matter how much money you pour in. The odds are kept secret and that suggests they are not generous. If you want to make sure, you are not disappointed, don't buy them. If you go for it anyway and lose, don't complain.

 

The mere emotion in this post testifies to the absence of rational thinking. Your government did not make that law in a vacuum. It likely reflects the stand of a majority of the belgian people on the issue of gambling. So you might want to curse your "stupid MF"-fellow citizens or, if your parents vote and are against gambling, take it up with your "stupid MF"-parents.

 

 

^*Probability of winning is 1 * 10^-7 .

Great post. Very well said :) 

[DarthB0B0]

Well to be fair in the video for this event it seems to say that the two free boxes will give two premium ships.. I have listened a number of times and that's what it seems to me.

 

Now this is probably wrong but that's what it says. If people have bought more containers thinking they guarantee a ship then they would rightly be upset.

 

Listen from 34 seconds in... Maybe I am incorrect but to me it says "you'll get a couple of premium ships and some cool bonuses as well" 

 

I thought cool... And got four fifths of F all sigh.

[HoLeeKow]

Bought 20 mega santas also. 

 

At least one would expect something nice but highly disappointed also. 

1 Monaghan ( most worthless imo ) and for the rest all camo and some flags. Oh yes and a few gold. 

First 10 draws was 1x gold and 9 new year streamer camo......

 

no no more containers for me. 

Fleetmates got 6 ships each , including rare like Kutuzov 

strange odds 

[TonyWil]

Bought 3 "mega" tickets, got

• camo (5x spring sky)
• ship (T-61)
• camo (20x new years)

I guess that's a good stopping point.

[Un_Dac_Liber]

Hello everyone,

 

Well, I opened 20 mega-gifts and I received the worst ship in the game ( Tier V - Krasny Krim, wich I sold it instanly) and Tier VI german DD T 61. I was expecting at least a tier7 or a tier8 ship for the money I spent.

WG is milking us hard :(. Anyway, this is the last time I spend money for lute boxes.

Hope that you will have more luck then me :)

 

[DesertStorm66]

 

Guys,

 

did ANYONE, I mean ANYONE get a Missouri or, Imperator Nikolai????

 

The whole Xmas packets sounds like a bad joke to me....

 

 

[HappyMartian]

After all the premium time I won in last years boxes (still got over 1/2 a years supply left), this year I used the money I had saved on premium and bought 20 crates of each type, same as the Community Contributors were given. I have a lot of premiums already so I expected the ship drops to be low. After opening all the boxes (including the 2 free ones) I got about 13000 doubloons, 25000 Coal, Marblehead, Krazny Krym, Monaghan, T-61, Haida and the Tier VIII Gascogne. I didn't get any duplicate ships and I think only 1 super container. So 2 or 3 ships I can play, the others are port stuffer (don't sell them as next time crates are offered,  you won't get them dropping again ). The rest was filler (flags and camo). Total value if bought in the shop of £140+, in effect a 50% profit. You can argue whether it was worth the monetary value but all considered, I'm happy with what I got. 

[EurasianWolfie]

Bought 45 small containers ..... not a single ship in it ... never again will i buy something like that

[MrConway]

On 12/8/2018 at 12:25 PM, Morphinsel said:

Hi MrConway

 

Im resident in belgium but i cant even claim the 2 free santa containers.

The banner is there (but no arrow or message) and when i click it it shows me Premium shop unavailable (in a split second i can sometimes see the other screen). This is making me impossible to claim those 2 containers.

 

Extra info, i dont run any mods. Pls assist

Thanks

 

Please reach out to customer support for help in this case! https://eu.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wows/

 

23 hours ago, QuisquillaParrales said:

Mr Conway, what we need is the chance of getting each item. Whitout that we cannot make an informed decission. Does the chance of getting ships reduce as you get some of the list? (My empiric results sugest strongly that) Is the chance of getting the belfast smaller than any other tier 7? (Again my empiric results sugest strongly that)

 

Whitout that information and in the way the promotion is presented (1 in 56 besides the dices for example, suggesting the chance of any of the 56 is the same) this should easily fall under the catefory of false advertising.

 

Could you tell us how chance is calculated 1) to determine a ship over any other price 2) to determine an especific ship 3) to determine a substitute ship when a ship awarded is owned (content of the supercontainer)?

 

Thanks in advance @MrConway

 

Unfortunately this is information I cannot disclose.

 

22 hours ago, Admiral3_battlefield said:

The Santa banner appears on my screen but when i click on it, it tries to load the page and all i get at the end is a message that says that the premium shop is unavailable. 

This is really annoying knowing i've got 2 free santa boxes that i cannot claim because theywon't show up.

I've tried to log out than to relog but again the same message appeared and i cannot get my free santa crates.

Did anyone witness the same problem and is there a solution to it?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Please reach out to customer support for help in this case! https://eu.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wows/ 

 

[L_L_I_B]

On 12/6/2018 at 2:59 PM, radius77 said:

And the chances to get Missouri or other ships from Small Gift ? Like 0,0000001% ?

 

I really think such "events' should be banned for misleading information.

I think this probably overstates the odds on winning a Missouri! 

WG are cynically exploiting understandably naive players putting OP ships, that are not available anymore, in these Santa boxes. It’s only a matter of time before more countries ban loot crates from unscrupulous video game providers. 

[Dac_]

No free containers for me . Check game, no mod...nothing. This is a joke!

 

[Subsandsoda]

Seems like WG's Santa is less into giving gifts, and more into people giving him gifts, in the form of cold hard cash.

 

Christmas time is supposed to be a time of generosity, this is just ridiculous.

[EurasianWolfie]

The best thing is, that when you watch the videos which promote those boxes, they all get many things and the ships they need ... when you buy them, you get camo's, signals, more signals, and way many more signals .... but not such items as those which get shown in the videos ... makes me think twice next time

[Seinx]

They could at least make them with multiple flavor like t6 containers, T7 containers, t8+ containers, DD containers, cruisers containers and BB containers

[Myszauke]

Funniest thing is that WG not only destroying its own image in this gambling *edited*  scheme.

They also hampering down own revenue.

How?

Ok i got one box- won t61 in it.

Being aware of probability getting another ship- with is close to zero- i will not buy another box.

Simple.

 

And stop explaining about value of boxes yadayadayada,

Frankly nobody buying this giving a flying fortress about cammos or flags.

Everybody buying boxes to get the ships- and mostly rare ones- Missouri, belfast, kutuzof, gremmy kamikaze and Impregnator.

Its clear like a sun.

Another things clear one on billion players will get such ship.

So make them in one day offers in shop- get a load of cash and everyone happy.

Instead of this *edited*  gambling targeting children.

 

14 hours ago, EurasianWolfie said:

The best thing is, that when you watch the videos which promote those boxes, they all get many things and the ships they need ... when you buy them, you get camo's, signals, more signals, and way many more signals .... but not such items as those which get shown in the videos ... makes me think twice next time

Men if you watch youtubers videos you can see they got only ships like monaghan, marblehead and krasny cream- plus a load of cammos, some gold etc.

Literally nobody of them got a "valuable" ship- so it wasnt a secret what u gonna get.

 

 

[EurasianWolfie]

13 hours ago, Myszauke said:

Funniest thing is that WG not only destroying its own image in this gambling *edited* scheme.

They also hampering down own revenue.

How?

Ok i got one box- won t61 in it.

Being aware of probability getting another ship- with is close to zero- i will not buy another box.

Simple.

 

And stop explaining about value of boxes yadayadayada,

Frankly nobody buying this giving a flying fortress about cammos or flags.

Everybody buying boxes to get the ships- and mostly rare ones- Missouri, belfast, kutuzof, gremmy kamikaze and Impregnator.

Its clear like a sun.

Another things clear one on billion players will get such ship.

So make them in one day offers in shop- get a load of cash and everyone happy.

Instead of this *edited* gambling targeting children.

 

Men if you watch youtubers videos you can see they got only ships like monaghan, marblehead and krasny cream- plus a load of cammos, some gold etc.

Literally nobody of them got a "valuable" ship- so it wasnt a secret what u gonna get.

 

 

True, but atleast they got more out of it then most of us got from it ( and they got them for free not to forget ). This kind of "gambling" isnt really improving the game, certainly not when they call them "Christmas Containers" .... when i think of Chrismas, i think of something special, but hey, thats me 

[Prensc]

I practically collected every ship in the game apart from Missouri, Musashi, Gremyashchy, Kronstadt, Haida, Marblehead and Krasny Krym .... I sincerely hoped in the Gremy, which escaped me at the beginning of the game ... guess what ship do I find? Krasny Krym. I took another 5, I admit I hoped ... what ship do I find? Marblehead. Is it possible that there is nothing clear and clean with you? A Merry Christmas and Happy New Year WG, and if we do not see each other again I hope it will be your fault