Massachusetts's Commander Skills. :3

[Sukasaa]

I was wondering which skills to get for Commander. :) I saw some use IFHE instead of Manual Secondaries was a bit confused. :o

 

Also I have that Alexander Oreovichkon (Pardon be if I butchered his name.) is it an good Idea to use him on Mass? :3

 

 

[Aotearas]

Hardly any point in speccing Manual Secondaries because the ship basically already comes with that built in (unless I'm seriously misremembering something here). Using IFHE will allow the 127mm secondaries to pen 27mm of armour (as opposed to 20mm stock) which lets you damage many cruisers in your MM bracket that would otherwise be mostly immune to direct damage from the secondaries. It also allows you to damage most tier VI and VII BB hulls which can add up REALLY fast in nasty damage scores.

[22cm]

7 minutes ago, Sukasaa said:

I was wondering which skills to get for Commander. :) I saw some use IFHE instead of Manual Secondaries was a bit confused. :o

 

Also I have that Alexander Oreovichkon (Pardon be if I butchered his name.) is it an good Idea to use him on Mass? :3

 

PT or PM, EM or AR, SI, CE+AFT+MS/IFHE.

 

No, Ovenchicken is best used as a DD captain with improved  SE.

[Miscommunication_dept]

For me

PT 

AR

BFT

IFHE

AFT

Manual secs.

you could, and probably should, switch manual secs for concealment as they really are quite accurate.

 

[Aragathor]

I went with PT, AR, SI, AFT, IFHE, on my 14p captain. Going to add CE on top, so I can sneak up on people instead of being spotted from the moon.

I think taking ManSec is a question of taste. But in my opinion IFHE is a better choice. Although if you want to go ham on the secondaries you could take both.

[Sukasaa]

I see, thanks guys! I'll skip MS and take CE/IFHE/AFT. :)

[Mr_Tayto]

I went PM, AR, SI, AFT, MANSEC, CE, DCCA on my build (in that order of skill assignment). Full secondary module build too.

 

The secondaries are already brutal on it's top tier spread, and you'll get fires on higher stuff. I don't find PT that useful because I already put myself in positions to tank/absorb fire (the heal is awesome) so in order to know what's aiming at me I just count the streams of orange shells

 

It's a ship I not only have enormous fun in, but also one I don't mind dieing in as long as I sell myself dear for the team. It's possible to hold down an entire flank by yourself if you're part shielded by islands, even better if you have a DD spotting torps etc. ahead of you.

[Gnirf]

I will probably go Man Sec on my Massa, (Iowa), have already more conventional 19 p US BB captains in NC and Montana. But will probably most use Massa in Coop - got her in SC so I have the other US Premiums for normal play and all Silver ships.

I like the guns on US ships so Massa is therefor not my first choice. But a secondary build for coop suits me ok then.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I find Massa with Manual Secs when paired with the Secondary Module becomes crazy accurate when firing Secondaries.

 

Bigger ships seem like they get hit 100% of the time at all ranges...

 

Still debating whether IFHE is worth it or not. I believe its amazing vs mid tier Cruisers but meh vs everyone else. Anyone else got experience?

[Mr_Tayto]

2 hours ago, Gnirf said:

I will probably go Man Sec on my Massa, (Iowa), have already more conventional 19 p US BB captains in NC and Montana. But will probably most use Massa in Coop - got her in SC so I have the other US Premiums for normal play and all Silver ships.

I like the guns on US ships so Massa is therefor not my first choice. But a secondary build for coop suits me ok then.

If you angle brawl with her at around secondary range, the sigma means nothing. The guns are perfectly serviceable at medium range.

[anonym_mlJIAFnOwMVb]

go secondaries if you want a funzy build.

[fodder89]

This is fun.

 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

20 minutes ago, fodder89 said:

This is fun.

 

Dammmn, going DE instead of SI lol...

 

That is some dedication to the cause 

 

Could argue for it as the heal isn't amazing, even with all 5 heals from SI I don't find the ship takes more than about 100k damage.

[Miscommunication_dept]

3 hours ago, fodder89 said:

This is fun.

 

 

 

 

I have the same build but BFT instead of DE, I have been thinking of switching back as I'd be swapping a 10% increase in sec DPM for a 50% increase in fire chance.

What do you think?

[Miscommunication_dept]

7 hours ago, Negativvv said:

I find Massa with Manual Secs when paired with the Secondary Module becomes crazy accurate when firing Secondaries.

 

Bigger ships seem like they get hit 100% of the time at all ranges...

 

Still debating whether IFHE is worth it or not. I believe its amazing vs mid tier Cruisers but meh vs everyone else. Anyone else got experience?

If you really want concealment...

You could choose  IFHE without manual secs which will give you guns that will penetrate lower tier BBs and all Cruise armour but will struggle to hit DDs consistantly.

Or

You could choose Manual secs without IFHE and have guns that can hit at a rate of 30% IMO but will only to direct damage to BBs and Cruisers if you hit their superstructure.

 

I have done some testing with manual secs and even in a Scharnhorst, which has 40% worse  base dispersion then the Massachusetts, against battleships at <6.5km it's actually less  effective than standard as it hits the belt too often.

 

[RAYvenMP]

10 hours ago, gopher31 said:

For me

PT 

AR

BFT

IFHE

AFT

Manual secs.

you could, and probably should, switch manual secs for concealment as they really are quite accurate.

 

This.

I choose SI over BFT, because the heal is just so good and you cant take FP, so you gonna burn alot

ManSec vs CE...dont get fooled by "default buffed accuracy on Massachusetts" It may not matter when you are 1v1 another BB from 5km, but you will be often in T10, often barely at the edge of your secondary range, and you WANT your secondaries to hit stuff over 8km.

[Sukasaa]

So hard decision!! :'3

[Sir_Grzegorz]

A bit offtopic, do you use concealment module?

I have a choice of concealment or target aquisition, is there a special module for this slot that I have to buy in Arsenal and use?

[Sukasaa]

57 minutes ago, Sir_Grzegorz said:

A bit offtopic, do you use concealment module?

I have a choice of concealment or target aquisition, is there a special module for this slot that I have to buy in Arsenal and use?

I am using Concealment Module. :)

[fodder89]

3 hours ago, gopher31 said:

 

I have the same build but BFT instead of DE, I have been thinking of switching back as I'd be swapping a 10% increase in sec DPM for a 50% increase in fire chance.

What do you think?

It doesn't really matter, both gives you slightly better damage overall, BFT gives your more hits and then also fire chance, DE less hits but bigger fire chance per hit, for me they are equal.

 

Concealment in massachusetts? do we wanna play like any other boring BB? or want to experience something special ?

Anyway we want to close the distance so it is about hidding behind some island and waiting for right momement to pop up in the range of secondaries (do we need concealment for that gameplay? - no)

 

More heal ? well it has some value but inmo very rarely, in most of the games the amount of heal is enough or it wouln't help anyway when inevitable death approches (or it was not enough time anyway to use them all). in 148 games i remember finding myself in need of heal only 3 times so mathematically it will be in 2,027 % of all games - is it worth it then?

 

- Wait for good opportunities behind islands

- Engage with your team - never alone

- Hold your position in the middle when you can increase your secondaries influence to the maximum

- Don't engage multiple targets at once

- Have fun !

[Miscommunication_dept]

That’s how I play. Charged down a Graf zeppelin yesterday got within 4km to kill him and his planes barely touched me.

this ship is a bit of a fortress. 

[thiextar]

Hmmm, wargaming wanted to make secondaries more viable. How about making them aim for the deck? @MrConway

 

There isnt really anything positive about them aiming for the thickest armor on the enemy ship, it just makes them shatter more.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

5 hours ago, gopher31 said:

 

 

I have done some testing with manual secs and even in a Scharnhorst, which has 40% worse  base dispersion then the Massachusetts, against battleships at <6.5km it's actually less  effective than standard as it hits the belt too often.

 

Uh lol so Massa is too accurate with full Secondary buffs and hits BB belts too often? Lol...

 

Although isn't the point of Secondaries is to crush the smaller ships? 

 

I haven't done enough testing myself yet tho.

[Sukasaa]

I've played few games on Massa now with only PM,AR since my captain is low leveled and I've notice something.. I always am spotted by an DD/Cruiser so I was thinking what's the point of even getting Concealment Expert if an DD/Cruiser always spots me and rain death on me :o so I am highly thinking of getting either Manual Secondaries or Concleament Expert. wish  CE was an default skill of Captains.

[Odo_Toothless]

When choosing CE on Mass, I would get rid of IFHE, which only works on some ships. 127 mm penetrates every DD, which are the most important targets (from WR perspective). Without manual secondaries you can forget about hitting them reliably in the case of Mass too.

 

Tier VIII most the times plays vs VIII-X. In that case IFHE on 127 mm can penetrate cruisers, which are rarely in a secondary range of BB anyway.