Look into the mind of a team killer

[Rosletyne]

Tonight I once again had the pleasure of having a team killer on my team. Both teams had a division of three players from the same clan, so the team killer took it upon himself to kill those on our team, though he only managed to kill himself. Unsatisfied, he demanded the rest of our team should kill them, for cheating. The clan players had done nothing wrong - both divisions fired at enemies and sank them. Their only questionable action was retaliating against the team killer, but under the circumstances I find it understandable.

 

After the match was over, I had a rare conversation with the team killer. He actually responded, and tried to justify his actions. I have copied it below as accurately as I could, though I have left out both his name and the tag of the clan involved.

 

Comments? I'll be sending the link to this topic to both the team killer, and the clan players.

 

Spoiler

ME: It appears you understand nothing. And you even reported me for disagreeing with you.
ME: I see you are very new to the game, so let me educate you then.
ME: First and foremost, there is NOTHING wrong about having two divisions from the same clan on opposite teams. Nothing.
ME: Sometimes, clan members deliberately form more than one division and enter battle at the same time, trying to get on the same team.
ME: Sometimes it works. Sometimes they end up facing each other. And that is fine, as long as they don't use that to give one team an advantage.
ME: In this game, they did not. Three on our team were killed, as was one on the enemy team. Both groups were also shooting at enemies, as evidenced by the kills they got.
TK: HAHAH ,nOTHING TO PLAY AT CLIC ? SURE JUST BOYS FROM M1 TEAMN DONT SHOT TO BOYS IN 2 TEAM.NOTHING WRONG AT ALLL
ME: Did you actually see them not shooting at each other?
ME: You did not.
TK: YOU SEE THEY SHOTING?
ME: All you saw, and I saw, was them shooting at enemies, and killing enemies. Both groups did.
ME: In short, there is absolutely nothing about what they did that was against game rules.
ME: But you... YOU...
ME: TEAM KILLING IS EXPLICITLY BANNED BY THE RULES.
ME: YOU GO AHEAD AND SEND THE REPLAY TO WARGAMING IF YOU DARE.
ME: BECAUSE I GUARANTEE THAT THEY WILL BAN YOU FOR THE TEAM KILLING, AND DO NOTHING TO THE ??? CLAN.
TK: Ii ALWAYS kill cheaters palying at click,ALWAYS
ME: What you fail to understand is that they were NOT cheating.
ME: But you? YOU WERE.
TK: hm you tell me that you are not from ??? clan?
TK: so why,,we"
TK: replay of this battle are sendet to suport,so we will seee
ME: No, I am not from the ??? clan. The fact that I have a -CC- clan tag should really make that obvious.
ME: I am just a random player who got angry because I had an idiot team killer on my team. In other words, you.
TK: sure ,you are from friendly clan,and you click with them...
ME: Dead wrong. I have never even heard of the ??? clan before, and most likely never will again.
ME: If I had been friendly with them, I'd have been in division with them.
ME: So you go ahead and send that replay to Wargaming. I guarantee you will be told exactly what I just told you, and they will probably slap YOU with a ban for the team killing.
TK: i sendet,if 5 players is from one clan is obwious cheats
ME: No. Not obvious cheats. Have you understood NOTHING I just told you?
ME: I explained exactly how it was done, and why, and why it is completely okay according to the rules.
TK: do you know how a chance with five players will meet in such a battle?
ME: When they are in two divisions of three players each? Very high.
TK: about 0,002 %
ME: Dead wrong, again.
TK: so
ME: In fact, the chance is very high. Especially at this time of night. It is why people do it.
TK: so count it
ME: Count what? The exact chance of that happening? No way. I said it was very high, and I'll leave it at that.
ME: Do you see how few people are in the queue at this time of day?
TK: there are about 20,000 players, calculate the chances of 5 players from one clan meeting in battle
ME: Again, you understand nothing.
ME: First, there are about 11 000 players online at the moment.
TK: What i dont understent?
ME: The fact that most of those players are already in games.
TK: so its 0,004 %
ME: How many players are in queue at the same time? 20, 30, 40... no more than that
ME: It is out of those 20-40 people in queue at the same time that games are formed. Not out of 11 000.
TK: Did you even watch twich,and stremers play at ,,clic",did you?
ME: Six people enter the queue at once, and let's see you calculate the odds that those six will be in the same game.
TK: six at 1100 hm
TK: 1100
ME: No. 6 out of 20-40.
ME: Do you get it? The number of players online is irrelevant. The number of people in queue is all that matters.
TK: beautiful cheats excuses
ME: Not excuses. Not cheats. Math.
ME: I've said it over and over. The probability of six people entering the queue at the same time ending up in the same game is very high.
ME: Completely at random. Because that is how the queue works. That is how probability works.
TK: so what do you think is the percentage chance that five guests from one clan will meet in the battle?
ME: First of all, it was not five. There were six of them, in two divisions of three people.
TK: even better ,smalller chance...
ME: And if they do it like I believe they did, entering the queue at the same time, at this time of night... I'd give them about 90% chance.
TK: so numbers pls,,,,
ME: Not smaller chance. You just don't understand how the queue works at all.
TK: thay click at there same time ,thats alll
ME: Yeah, they do. And that way they enter the queue at the same time. So?
TK: so its cheat,or no ?
ME: I believe I've already said about half a dozen times that it is not cheating.
ME: That is simply how the queue WORKS.
TK: ok, so you're not a talker for me. You are one of those skinheads who think that there is a gap in the law you can use it. goodbye cold
ME: You just can't accept you were wrong, can you?
TK: Wrong? where?
TK: in which point of my speech?
ME: Everything basically, starting from the belief that six people in two divisions meeting in battle was somehow rare.
ME: If they want it, they make it happen, and the way the queue works makes it possible. No cheating involved.
TK: so count yourself a chance for such a meeting of 6 people among 11,000
TK: 0,002 %
ME: You count the chance of 6 people meeting out of 20-40.
TK: from me its 10 k at this time
ME: No. It is not. I already told you, REPEATEDLY, that only the number of people in QUEUE matters.
ME: Not the total number of people online.
TK: it does not matter to me, you have already admitted they click at same time
ME: That is not against the rules.
TK: tell it to those who got banned in WOT
ME: This is not World of Tanks.
TK: It is a pity, one could punish a few such fools who cheat others
ME: Like I keep telling you, it is not cheating.
TK: no? intersting. so what is cheating for you?
ME: Doing what they did would only become cheating if the divisions on opposite teams cooperated.
TK: I'm just regretting that I screwed up the case, and this [edited]boot came in one of the torpedoes
TK: if members of both teams communicate on teamspeaku and arrange how to play, for me it's cheating

 

[HaachamaShipping]

Having read through all of this, I'm none the wiser. All I get is that you need to be likely not very bright and not much in control of your own emotions. But that much I knew before already. 

 

As an aside, it indeed is common that people run into others from the same clan, intentional or not. I say that as someone who syncdropped into randoms, both in division and on my own (to troll my fellow clan members at T2) but also encountered such divisions just randomly by playing at the same time.

 

Also, I do at times contemplate shooting a team mate, usually when I find them really useless and infuriating. I then wonder for a bit whether I'd just stomach a few rounds on pink (not pink has consequences), but in the end, I leave it at the thought. Though I recently got pissed enough at a Jervis that camped behind a rock behind the rest of the team, that after I lost most hp of my Gneisenau to enemy attack and pulled back, I launched a set of torps in the general direction of the Jervis as an "encouragement". Didn't even need to maneuver to dodge it. Promptly got torped by Jervis and his division mate in a Myoko (Myoko hit two torps, went pink, Jervis hit one for the remaining 2k hp and went pink too). I'm not going to say I'm a saint or that my behaviour was recommendable, but honestly... in line with your logs, this kind of response, which isn't even likely to achieve much (like, I had a hearty laugh at them actually going out of their way to actually kill my utterly crippled ship and managed to both pink themselves for what exactly?) only suggests that these kind of people just aren't the sharpest tool in the box. 

[El2aZeR]

Send the replay to support. Apparently they do actually deal with this stuff despite what they say on the official page.

[loppantorkel]

Comments..? Is it one of these moral dilemmas if you could go back in time and kill the grandfather/mother, would you do it?

[Flavio1997]

34 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Send the replay to support. Apparently they do actually deal with this stuff despite what they say on the official page.

they do, lukyly

[lameoll]

talking in caps lock and his grammar is worse then mine.

Clearly there is no mind to be seen here.

[rnat]

5 hours ago, Rosletyne said:

TK: beautiful cheats excuses
ME: Not excuses. Not cheats. Math.

He's right yanno ?

Facts are cheats. Math is witchcraft.

And reality is just an excuse for hiding de TRUUTH.

[BLUB__BLUB]

Utter BS, but hey, that TK doesn't seem the brightest match in the box anyway.

 

My clan do 'synchro click' sometimes, usually when we feel like having some fun after doing operations.

All take Omahas, well you will NEVER get ONE team that has six Omahas - but the MM will put those 3 Omahas vs 3 other Omahas.

So, 99% chance you will end up facing eachother. Finally we get to decide who is best of clan, LOL. 

So we're not SAVING each other, in fact the other ones are HIGH on the 'priority to kill' list.

Plus each division wants to win, the other v division will hear about that for a few weeks. Hahaha!

[Caughtintherain]

This TK guy is clearly the hero we need, a modern day Batman in the world (of warships), a bastion of moral integrity, a vigilante justice dealer, a man who knows his own mind. When he believes that a clan is trying to rig the game against him he won't just lie back and accept it, no, he will push forward and torp his own team mates to prevent them throwing the game. Even the mere hint of suspicion is enough, he will sink every man jack of his own ships if he smells even a whiff of deception. TK is a hero. Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need in the world (of warships).

[Aotearas]

Mentality of a teamkiller? Just ask @Fonfalks, he wants it back so bad he made a forum thread about it just a short while ago.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz_G]

Hello, I am this teamkiller.

I regret this battle very much, I was too drunk to properly torpedo those cheeters.

Such action was once popular in wot. Members of the clan were setting battles to make personal missions.

Now this plague has moved to WOWS :(

That's why he ALWAYS punishes those cunning ones, regardless of costs and bans

I must congratulate the author on this topic. Not only does it defend cheaters that spoil another game, it is still a snitch.

I am not ashamed of my deeds, I have a preserved replay, I am waiting for a ban from WG. If I get it I will know how their fight against cheaters really works

 

BTW Sorry for my english

I have never taught this language, so please excuse me

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, Brzeczyszczykiewicz_G said:

Hello, I am this teamkiller.

I regret this battle very much, I was too drunk to properly torpedo those cheeters.

Such action was once popular in wot. Members of the clan were setting battles to make personal missions.

Now this plague has moved to WOWS :(

That's why I ALWAYS, make such combiners, regardless of the cost and whether I get a ban.

I must congratulate the author on this topic. Not only does it defend cheaters that spoil another game, it is still a snitch.

I am not ashamed of my deeds, I have a preserved replay, I am waiting for a ban from WG. If I get it I will know how their fight against cheaters really works

 

BTW Sorry for my english

I have never taught this language, so please excuse me

 

1. its not cheating

2. sometimes ppl from the same clan can get into the same battle BY ACCIDENT!

3. If they do missions that way then how does it hurt you? Unless its really obvious, like they all run to the corner of the map and kill each other or something stupid -> then report them

4. If they are actively avoiding combat against each other, then its against the rules -> report them

 

So far you only only wanted to TK them because they were in the same battle at the same time:

THIS IS NOT CHEATING!

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz_G]

Apparently WG has a different opinion on this subject, because in WOT for such a thing you get ban right away.

Maybe someday it will come to this in WOWS

[Caughtintherain]

11 minutes ago, Brzeczyszczykiewicz_G said:

Hello, I am this teamkiller.

I regret this battle very much, I was too drunk to properly torpedo those cheeters.

Such action was once popular in wot. Members of the clan were setting battles to make personal missions.

Now this plague has moved to WOWS :(

That's why he ALWAYS punishes those cunning ones, regardless of costs and bans

I must congratulate the author on this topic. Not only does it defend cheaters that spoil another game, it is still a snitch.

I am not ashamed of my deeds, I have a preserved replay, I am waiting for a ban from WG. If I get it I will know how their fight against cheaters really works

 

BTW Sorry for my english

I have never taught this language, so please excuse me

 

Missions in WoWS are usually easy so you don't need to use divisions to do them. We have a game mode where we can fight bots which can be used to complete missions too. I believe nobody in WoWS uses clan members to complete missions. If the only reason for you to believe clan members in the same game are cheaters is missions then you need to look at the missions and see why it would be a waste of time to cheat in such a way.

[TeaAndTorps]

20 minutes ago, Brzeczyszczykiewicz_G said:

I was too drunk to properly torpedo those cheeters

IIRC, the way the damage reflection is set up now makes it almost impossible to kill a friendly with torps unless they're already on very low health.

 

E.g. I just ate two second-line torps from a friendly Kuma in my Clemson, and they only did just over 5,000 damage to me, and reflected a lot back on him. I survived (just) despite being at a touch over half health (with SE) when they hit.

 

But altogether, just don't even try to teamkill. No matter what. If they're fighting as they normally would despite (possibly unintentionally) having ended up in on opposite teams, it's all fine and then *you're* the one throwing the game for your team. If they're not playing normally, I can't see how you make it better for your team by killing them anyway, and sending a replay (which are automatically enabled since the last patch) to support will get tougher sanctions against them – bans and suspensions – than anything you can dish out, all without opening you up to the sanctions which a deliberate TKer deserves.

 

It's probably best not to play randoms while that drunk either, but let's not run before we can walk.

[Major_Damage225]

Uh boy, pal do you need to get you'r thinking straight. 

If there are members of the same clan on both sides, it DOSENT mean theyr rigging, cheating etc ok. 

Hopefully you do get a ban, because if  you think that your actions (TK) is "saving" the game and/or is in your mind exusable or have intention to keep on doing that crap, then the less players of your thinking, the better. 

Because if you think your somehow doing the right thing, your not! 

It is players like you who are detremental to the games health ok. 

MD out. 

[jss78]

Sync-dropping (at least that's what we called it in Mechwarrior) I believe is explicitly allowed.

 

I see it quite often, even three divisions from the same clan in a game. I have never observed them trying to throw the game. I believe usually the motivation is innocent -- a group of friends, larger than three, wants to play casually together.

 

Personally,  I think intentional sync-dropping is a liiiiiitle bit lame, because it is gaming the system, though as said usually no-one is really hurt. But then I do other, lame things myself.

[hgbn_dk]

14 minutes ago, Brzeczyszczykiewicz_G said:

Apparently WG has a different opinion on this subject, because in WOT for such a thing you get ban right away.

Maybe someday it will come to this in WOWS

Hope you get perma banned

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz_G]

13 minuty temu, hgbn_dk napisał:

Hope you get perma banned

Another fan of cheating?

I hope that those who are cheats from the clan will get banished

[Caughtintherain]

1 minute ago, Brzeczyszczykiewicz_G said:

Another fan of cheating?

I hope that those who are cheats from the clan LG will get banished

 

I'm calling shenanigans. This is a wind up orchestrated by the community contributors for a clickbait video to be released on the 1st of April. Calling it now.

[Praevasc]

23 minutes ago, Brzeczyszczykiewicz_G said:

Another fan of cheating?

I hope that those who are cheats from the clan LG will get banished

You still talk like a 6 year old.

If you were a little less immature, then, after starting to play a new game (from the number of battles you played you seem quite new), if you spot something you think might be cheating, you should first read the FAQ, read the official guide of the game, and maybe ask on the forum whether this behavior you observed is considered acceptable or not.

Instead of all this, you started throwing accusations without thinking, and you even started team-killing instantly without thinking and without gathering more info.

 

If you start teamkilling others at the very first suspicion they might have violated some minor behavioral code, then you are not fit to play online games.

 

Even here on this forum, you can see that absolutely everyone disagrees with you, almost everyone tries to calmly explain to you how this game (where you are an obvious newcomer) works, and you STILL think that you are right. I know many small children who are more mature than that.

 

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz_G]

My friend. I'm 37 years old and I've been playing this game for a year. The fact that they leave a different opinion from me means nothing to me. I have my rules and I keep them. If I see that someone is doing something wrong then I react.

[Caughtintherain]

2 minutes ago, Brzeczyszczykiewicz_G said:

My friend. I'm 37 years old and I've been playing this game for a year. The fact that they leave a different opinion from me means nothing to me. I have my rules and I keep them. If I see that someone is doing something wrong then I react.

 

A whole year at the blisteringly fast pace of 2.3 games per week?

[DFens_666]

3 minutes ago, Brzeczyszczykiewicz_G said:

My friend. I'm 37 years old and I've been playing this game for a year. The fact that they leave a different opinion from me means nothing to me. I have my rules and I keep them. If I see that someone is doing something wrong then I react.

 

You dont make the rules. (thank [edited]for that)

WG is making the rules. Even deliberately clicking into the battle at the same time with your whole clan is not prohibited, as long as you play fair.

However, you deliberately trying to TK is against the rules, and you got punished for that.

Keep doing that, and YOU will be the one getting banned

[Aotearas]

50 minutes ago, Brzeczyszczykiewicz_G said:

Hello, I am this teamkiller.

I regret this battle very much, I was too drunk to properly torpedo those cheeters.

Such action was once popular in wot. Members of the clan were setting battles to make personal missions.

Now this plague has moved to WOWS :(

That's why he ALWAYS punishes those cunning ones, regardless of costs and bans

I must congratulate the author on this topic. Not only does it defend cheaters that spoil another game, it is still a snitch.

I am not ashamed of my deeds, I have a preserved replay, I am waiting for a ban from WG. If I get it I will know how their fight against cheaters really works

 

BTW Sorry for my english

I have never taught this language, so please excuse me

 

You don't have many friends to play with, eh?

 

I can tell you that when I see a clanmate on the other team we don't do any such silly things like rigging or declaring some sort of truce. It's civil war and I'm going to make sure he's the one going to lose it, preferably by my hand so I can rub it in (jokingly of course).