IFHE on daring

[Atorpad]

Is it mandatory or not?

With 18.8 mm pen for HE shells without IFHE facing a bow on DD how can a Daring fight him?!

 

 

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Yes, it's pretty much needed as soon as your enemy DD isn't completely braindead.

[Infiriel]

If you want to play randoms, then it`s ok to go AP-only, and get i.e. BFT instead. Especially on weekend, when general stupidity is at it`s weekly highest.
HE does give you more flexibility, but if you don`t have to use it, then why use it?
It`s a different story if you want to take it to the CB environment - not that it`s the most viable DD for CB.

[_Teob_]

On 12/1/2018 at 11:59 PM, Atorpad said:

Is it mandatory or not?

With 18.8 mm pen for HE shells without IFHE facing a bow on DD how can a Daring fight him?!

 

 

 

Absolutely mandatory.

Doesn't matter what game mode you play in, IFHE is a core skill on the Daring.

[karol66]

You cant do any dmg Vs nose-in destroyers without IFHE.

And with IFHE yours HE just works like every other destroyer HE without this skill.

This is hidden "nerf" of 9/10 tier RN destroyers - you need to "waste" 4 points on your captain to make your guns same as competition.

 

[Mr_Tayto]

27 minutes ago, karol66 said:

You cant do any dmg Vs nose-in destroyers without IFHE.

And with IFHE yours HE just works like every other destroyer HE without this skill.

This is hidden "nerf" of 9/10 tier RN destroyers - you need to "waste" 4 points on your captain to make your guns same as competition.

 

I'm not sure I'd call it a nerf. Generally gun pen in the game is balanced along the lines of calibre, is it not. If RN DDs had lower calibre guns than the rest then that's tough luck, and they get better AP. It's a national flavour thing, like RN CL ammo.

 

The exception is obviously IJN gunboats, which I believe should have their pen adjusted accordingly. If RN DDs need to slot IFHE, why not IJN DDs?

[karol66]

58 minutes ago, Mr_Tayto said:

The exception is obviously IJN gunboats, which I believe should have their pen adjusted accordingly. If RN DDs need to slot IFHE, why not IJN DDs?

IJN is a reason, why I think this issue with RN HE penetration is "temporary nerf".

Old Akizuki was also pure IFHE dependant and WG corrected this after few months (they nerf of course other aspects of this ship but now IFHE is a possibility, not mandatory).

I'm 99% sure, we will see in future RN rebalance changes. Buffs or nerfs (depends on overall DD performance in few last months + they give us "correct HE penetration").

 

[Mr_Tayto]

1 hour ago, karol66 said:

IJN is a reason, why I think this issue with RN HE penetration is "temporary nerf".

Old Akizuki was also pure IFHE dependant and WG corrected this after few months (they nerf of course other aspects of this ship but now IFHE is a possibility, not mandatory).

I'm 99% sure, we will see in future RN rebalance changes. Buffs or nerfs (depends on overall DD performance in few last months + they give us "correct HE penetration").

 

Agree they will 'fix it', but I don't think it's necessary. It should be up to the player to decide whether it's necessary to slot IFHE. I was happy to run IFHE on Akizuki when she was on her own in the line and before the pen changes

[Jagod]

The devs already mentioned that they are working on changes to IFHE to solve exactly that dilemma. I think it was in the latest waterline video when they said that IFHE CLs are not going to be able to pen hightier BB plating as well as high tier CA plating while increasing CA plating in midsection. This would then affect the IJN DDs just the same as CLs due to their similar base pen, making IFHE less of an autopick for those ships. RN DDs would not be affected in the same way, since even when nerfing IFHE to 20% bonus pen they are not crossing any armor threshold.

[Hugh_Ruka]

On 12/4/2018 at 2:26 PM, karol66 said:

IJN is a reason, why I think this issue with RN HE penetration is "temporary nerf".

Old Akizuki was also pure IFHE dependant and WG corrected this after few months (they nerf of course other aspects of this ship but now IFHE is a possibility, not mandatory).

I'm 99% sure, we will see in future RN rebalance changes. Buffs or nerfs (depends on overall DD performance in few last months + they give us "correct HE penetration").

 

The problem with IJN 100mm guns is that they are on par with 6" cruisers as far as HE pen goes (with or without IFHE) ... no other DD can do that not even the improved AP angles on the RN DDs. Thus they are in a class of their own well above all other DDs.

[karol66]

12 hours ago, Jagod said:

The devs already mentioned that they are working on changes to IFHE to solve exactly that dilemma. I think it was in the latest waterline video when they said that IFHE CLs are not going to be able to pen hightier BB plating as well as high tier CA plating while increasing CA plating in midsection. This would then affect the IJN DDs just the same as CLs due to their similar base pen, making IFHE less of an autopick for those ships. RN DDs would not be affected in the same way, since even when nerfing IFHE to 20% bonus pen they are not crossing any armor threshold.

Yep, but this change is really big - maybe even bigger in terms of balance than carriers rework because this will affect light cruisers too. If WG telling us now "we think about this" its more like "next year to do list" than "coming soon" thing IMO.

[Erdbeerkuchen_deluxe]

Is this up to date? Still IFHE needed on Daring?

[anonym_2hneAFaIyP4T]

On 6/30/2019 at 3:27 AM, Halja1945 said:

Is this up to date? Still IFHE needed on Daring?

No change to IFHE yet, so... whilst technically not NEEDED in randoms, it is very (very, VERY) strongly recommended 

[Erdbeerkuchen_deluxe]

54 minutes ago, Rusty_9 said:

No change to IFHE yet, so... whilst technically not NEEDED in randoms, it is very (very, VERY) strongly recommended 

Thank you for your answer!