How stupid do you think we are ?

[NothingButTheRain]

On 12/1/2018 at 8:57 PM, thiextar said:

Tbh, it is presented in a very deceptive way, and not really clear at all... Makes me wonder if that was intentional or not since they havent changed it, and they must have noticed people complaining about it.

This is what it sais for me atm:

• VIII MASSACHUSETTS B;
• PORT SLOT;
• COMBAT MISSION FOR 2,500 DOUBLOONS ON MASSACHUSETTS.

You pay for the Massachusetts B, the mission is for the non-B variant.

But perhaps they could have put in a warning or something, but otoh why cater to people who can barely read or are intelectually somewhat incapacitated anyway?

Would they need to make it with big signs and pretty colors, like in a candy store?

 

There will always be a bigger idiot, you know 

 

I do agree with you, people have been complaining about it.

 

11 hours ago, mrk421 said:

@ColonelPete @fallenkezef @Juanx It has nothing to do with reading comprehension or being stupid!

 

When you read the description carefully, it is quite clear that the extra mission is not for the B-ship. HOWEVER, this is not what usually happens. Our brains are wired in such a way, that unless we think there's a good reason to do so, for the most part we don't read carefully. We skim, and let the brain fill in the gaps with what it assumes to be there. This is done, because reading carefully takes more energy than skimming and our bodies are programmed to preserve energy wherever they can.

 

So in the current example, when the description says, "Combat Mission for 2,500 doubloons on Tirpitz," the customer sees, "Mission for 2500 doubloons" and the brain fills in the rest with the assumption that the mission applies to the ship you buy (quite reasonable assumption at first glance imo). It's only after you play a few games and realise you didn't get the doubloons, that the brain says, "hold on, something went wrong here, better read it again, and more carefully this time".

 

 

 

But doesn't this simply mean that such people just have lazy brains?

I mean, isn't this just some excuse to be lazy? One who reads wouldn't even need to lift a finger, where's the fire here?

Just do read more carefully if you read about a purchase and get lazy if it's just for reading Donald Duck.

 

I mean, to people who come flaming into the forums due to bad reading, just git gud. On the reading that is. It's not hard. I read stuff multiple times all the time.

[NothingButTheRain]

10 hours ago, mrk421 said:

Certainly! But the brain can be very persuasive...

True, but this persuasiveness is just the brain trying to make its user's brain more lazy 

Most people who are lazy also don't like working out and their body starts to also complain when you do start working out, it's basically the same thing here.

Resist! 

[Hogger4169]

Read the description, It is clear. I won atago-b in a container i bought (lucky me) and it describes that the mission is on atago, not atago b

not from the atago-b sale page.

 

SEEMS VERY CLEAR TO ME!!!

 

[arcticstorm123]

21 hours ago, fallenkezef said:

I have been in retail for 22 years.

 

The average human is very, very stupid.

Yep, I'm especially careful with "multi packs", found on a number of occasions buying the same quantity of single items is cheaper.

 

Seems to apply to Wargaming too  

[fallenkezef]

41 minutes ago, arcticstorm123 said:

Yep, I'm especially careful with "multi packs", found on a number of occasions buying the same quantity of single items is cheaper.

 

Seems to apply to Wargaming too  

 

Yup, we sell a 6 pack of a popular beverage, 6 cans for £3.99 (they are £1 each) yet you can buy 2 individual cans on a buy one get one free offer.

 

Not sure who is more stupid sometimes the chavs and pikeys I serve or the managers I work for.

[arcticstorm123]

8 minutes ago, fallenkezef said:

 

Yup, we sell a 6 pack of a popular beverage, 6 cans for £3.99 (they are £1 each) yet you can buy 2 individual cans on a buy one get one free offer.

 

Not sure who is more stupid sometimes the chavs and pikeys I serve or the managers I work for.

Yeah my eldest daughter worked in a small Co - Op for a while while she was at Uni and hated it with a vengeance,  had lots of stories, my youngest daughter still works for a larger supermarket but she does the night shift so fewer morons to deal with (usually managers as you say).

[EdiJo]

9 hours ago, NothingButTheRain said:

This is what it sais for me atm:

• VIII MASSACHUSETTS B;
• PORT SLOT;
• COMBAT MISSION FOR 2,500 DOUBLOONS ON MASSACHUSETTS.

You pay for the Massachusetts B, the mission is for the non-B variant.

But perhaps they could have put in a warning or something, but otoh why cater to people who can barely read or are intelectually somewhat incapacitated anyway?

Would they need to make it with big signs and pretty colors, like in a candy store?

inserting one word:

• COMBAT MISSION FOR 2,500 DOUBLOONS ON STANDARD MASSACHUSETTS

would be enough. The "inaccuracy" is so obvious, that I insist this is intentional.

 

Especially that before the WG practice was to bundle the ship with the mission for THAT ship, so this "cross-mission" idea was something new and unexpected. 

 

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There will always be a bigger idiot, you know 

 

I do agree with you, people have been complaining about it.

 

But doesn't this simply mean that such people just have lazy brains?

I mean, isn't this just some excuse to be lazy? One who reads wouldn't even need to lift a finger, where's the fire here?

Just do read more carefully if you read about a purchase and get lazy if it's just for reading Donald Duck.

 

I mean, to people who come flaming into the forums due to bad reading, just git gud. On the reading that is. It's not hard. I read stuff multiple times all the time.

I don't see flaming here? Just present my point. BTW, I got Massa from a container but I bought Asashio and yes, I didn't pay much attention to the "doubloon" part because I've thought about buying that boat earlier and -30% was good enough by itself. Anyway, I find this misleading, especially in the Polish version, as I pointed out above... 

 

9 hours ago, NothingButTheRain said:

True, but this persuasiveness is just the brain trying to make its user's brain more lazy 

Most people who are lazy also don't like working out and their body starts to also complain when you do start working out, it's basically the same thing here.

Resist! 

This is not about "lazy" (as a negative trait) - this is simply how human brain works. Yes, you can overcome that with training, but that doesn't change the statistics. Everybody knows it, and certainly marketing guys - which are specifically educated to exploit it - know that too.

 

2 hours ago, hogger4169 said:

Read the description, It is clear. I won atago-b in a container i bought (lucky me) and it describes that the mission is on atago, not atago b

not from the atago-b sale page.

 

SEEMS VERY CLEAR TO ME!!!

 

No, it is not clear. Atago B is a kind of Atago. Difference is only the camo and the "B". 

57 minutes ago, arcticstorm123 said:

Yep, I'm especially careful with "multi packs", found on a number of occasions buying the same quantity of single items is cheaper.

 

Seems to apply to Wargaming too  

Of course it does. Seems funny to me that here is so strong defense of such ploy tricks. I am rather above average in various "cognitive", "IQ" tests (I even sometimes read manuals!111) - but I still think that all offers or contracts should be written as clearly as possible. We should tend to eliminate all those "missing words" or "fine print" practices. 

[arcticstorm123]

3 minutes ago, EdiJo said:

Of course it does. Seems funny to me that here is so strong defense of such ploy tricks. I am rather above average in various "cognitive", "IQ" tests (I even sometimes read manuals!111) - but I still think that all offers or contracts should be written as clearly as possible. We should tend to eliminate all those "missing words" or "fine print" practices. 

Wasn't defending it at all, good book to read "The Hidden Persuaders" by Vance Packard, read it donkey's years ago but it's become kind of a classic, lays out a lot of the tricks traditional stores pull (was written pre internet).

 

Businesses want to make money and will always try to engage in these kind of tricks, and legislation and codes of practice only go so far, problem with the law is it needs to be very specific which leads to a lot of interpretation round the edges.

 

After 2000 odd years "Caveat emptor" still applies.

[Excavatus]

It says the XXX B ship is a unique ship..

It says, If you have the XXX you may use HER in a special mission,

Just go in a battle with XXX and earn 250 doubloons..

 

What is hard to understand or get confused here.. is the actual confusing thing for me...

 

It says UNIQUE

 

UNIQUE

[josykay]

Even if you could mistake the ship “her“ is refering to, it is crystal clear, that you still need the standard vessel to complete the mission... unless you haven't read  the first sentence. Which would be a pretty weird way of reading texts...

[NothingButTheRain]

2 hours ago, EdiJo said:

inserting one word:

• COMBAT MISSION FOR 2,500 DOUBLOONS ON STANDARD MASSACHUSETTS

would be enough. The "inaccuracy" is so obvious, that I insist this is intentional.

 

Especially that before the WG practice was to bundle the ship with the mission for THAT ship, so this "cross-mission" idea was something new and unexpected. 

You know how the saying goes: A fool and his money are soon parted.

 

It mentions not the B variant for the doubloons mission, for me this was already enough.

It does take a little bit of extra care when reading but this extra care should be mandatory anyway if it can result in 2500 doubloon 'loss' on a few simple clicks.

Your own fault if you fall for this, imho.

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I don't see flaming here?

Fire in the sense of where the emergency is. Because imo there is none.

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Just present my point. BTW, I got Massa from a container but I bought Asashio and yes, I didn't pay much attention to the "doubloon" part because I've thought about buying that boat earlier and -30% was good enough by itself. Anyway, I find this misleading, especially in the Polish version, as I pointed out above... 

Another saying goes: Assumption is the mother of all youknowwhat. Your responsibility, you shafted yourself by being careless.

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This is not about "lazy" (as a negative trait) - this is simply how human brain works. Yes, you can overcome that with training, but that doesn't change the statistics. Everybody knows it, and certainly marketing guys - which are specifically educated to exploit it - know that too.

But it is. My brain doesn't have this lazy trait and yes, I put in that extra bit of effort and I get rewarded by saving myself some stupid situations preemptively.

And this hardly requires any extra training. How hard is it to reread 5 sentences? If you can't do that, you deserve to be parted with your money.

And it certainly is not how all brains work, or everyone would be doing this. And I'm pretty sure I'm not unique in being able to read correctly (and apparently not having a lazy brain, lol).

 

You're just making up excuses, git gud.

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No, it is not clear. Atago B is a kind of Atago. Difference is only the camo and the "B". 

Of course it does. Seems funny to me that here is so strong defense of such ploy tricks. I am rather above average in various "cognitive", "IQ" tests (I even sometimes read manuals!111) - but I still think that all offers or contracts should be written as clearly as possible. We should tend to eliminate all those "missing words" or "fine print" practices. 

"Atago B" =/ "Atago". Just like with certain cars and with things like clothing.

If you buy a "Alice In Wonderland Blue/White T-Shirt XS" instead of the "Alice In Wonderland Blue/White T-Shirt XL", do you also blame the company for not having been clear enough when specifying?

If you want to buy a plane ticket to "Korea N" and buy a plane ticket to "Korea S", it's your own fault.

Of course this is all your fault.

 

Stop being lazy. Yes it's your own fault. Did I mention that your lazy brain is your own fault?