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You lets us buy Black Friday containers and give us a quest, where we can get 250 dublons pr fight 10 times in all 2500 dublons, But it can only be made in the original ships wich means if you get all 4 you can buy them for 30 000 dublons + and gain 10 000 dublons nice con artist trick. 

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3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Maybe they assumed the WoWs playerbase cannot read, and they were right....

Tbh, it is presented in a very deceptive way, and not really clear at all... Makes me wonder if that was intentional or not since they havent changed it, and they must have noticed people complaining about it.

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45 minutes ago, Wingoka said:

You lets us buy Black Friday containers and give us a quest, where we can get 250 dublons pr fight 10 times in all 2500 dublons, But it can only be made in the original ships wich means if you get all 4 you can buy them for 30 000 dublons + and gain 10 000 dublons nice con artist trick. 

Funny that you don't understand that this missions are a compensation for the players who have the original ships already when they buy the B variant.

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52 minutes ago, thiextar said:

Tbh, it is presented in a very deceptive way, ....

Not really...

But with this playerbase even flashing signs would be considered deceptive.

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22 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Not really...

But with this playerbase even flashing signs would be considered deceptive.

I bet a lot of players go round the old D cap on North, because there is a BB sign there, which must mean its the right way,

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2 hours ago, Arakus said:

Funny that you don't understand that this missions are a compensation for the players who have the original ships already when they buy the B variant.

Amazing it has to be explained

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2 hours ago, Arakus said:

Funny that you don't understand that this missions are a compensation for the players who have the original ships already when they buy the B variant.

Most definitely the perfect answer.

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This is a game where WG put helpful little signs in game like a little sign on a certain map warning BB’s it’s not a suitable route. And potato’s still take their BB’s that route and wonder why they have a crap game.

 

personally, I think most of the player base sniff glue. 

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1 hour ago, kfa said:

I bet a lot of players go round the old D cap on North, because there is a BB sign there, which must mean its the right way,

Didn’t see you also said this before me 😂

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Despite what you folks say about 'being able to read' etc - WG's very brief mention is not sufficient, and very easily open to misinterpretation, there is absolutely no doubt about that. Massachusetts is not far away enough from Massachusetts B. And given it's open to misinterpretation so readily, it should be reworded very clearly. If you took this further (if you could) there is no way WG would win this case (even for something as stupid as this), they've questionably marketed the B ships with a mission which has a subtle catch.

 

There is no point pretending to be smarter than anyone else because you've analysed it in hindsight when the first complaint came in, unless you want to sound like a self-important troll.

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12 hours ago, Hedgehog1963 said:

Amazing it has to be explained

Actually, look at this:

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VIII ASASHIO B;

PORT SLOT;

COMBAT MISSION FOR 2,500 DOUBLOONS ON ASASHIO.

It is not very clear. Yes, Asashio B is a separate ship, but it is also an Asashio! Adding "standard" would not have hurt here. I understand that quite conscious people with marketing education are preparing those promo texts, so I don't think this is an accident. 

 

Below, in English version we have

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Asashio B is a separate ship. If you already have the standard Asashio in your collection, you can use her to complete a special Combat Mission after purchasing the bundle. Conditions: simply enter battle to claim 250 doubloons. The mission can be obtained only once per account and completed 10 times until January 31.

it is mildly misleading: it is not clear whether "her" applies to "standard Asashio" or to that one mentioned earlier. This reminds me that joke when a programmer was sent by his wife to the grocery shop, with directive: "Buy 3 sausages and if they have eggs, buy a dozen.". So he went & came back, saying: "They had eggs, so here is 12 sausages". Actually he could've bought 15 as well ;)

 

In the Polish version it is worse:

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Uwaga: Asashio B jest unikalnym okrętem. Jeśli w swoim porcie posiadacie standardową wersję Asashio to możecie jej użyć do wypełnienia specjalnej misji bojowej po zakupie tego zestawu. Warunki: wystarczy wejść do bitwy niszczycielem Asashio, by zdobyć 250 dublonów. Misję tą można zyskać 1 raz dla danego konta i wypełnić 10 razy przed 31 stycznia.

They messed it up more here, the difference is in bold font. Asashio B is also an Asashio, and they wrote that "simply enter battle in (an) Asashio destroyer to get 250 doubloons". In Polish "an" is not needed to have "wide" meaning of the word. 

 

Correctly they would've written explicitly: "After a battle in the standard Asashio you will be rewarded with 250 doubloons". Clear and simple. 

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Reading comprehension is overrated...

Reading in tiself is overrated.

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21 minutes ago, EdiJo said:

Actually, look at this:

It is not very clear. Yes, Asashio B is a separate ship, but it is also an Asashio! Adding "standard" would not have hurt here. I understand that quite conscious people with marketing education are preparing those promo texts, so I don't think this is an accident. 

 

Below, in English version we have

it is mildly misleading: it is not clear whether "her" applies to "standard Asashio" or to that one mentioned earlier. This reminds me that joke when a programmer was sent by his wife to the grocery shop, with directive: "Buy 3 sausages and if they have eggs, buy a dozen.". So he went & came back, saying: "They had eggs, so here is 12 sausages". Actually he could've bought 15 as well ;)

 

In the Polish version it is worse:

They messed it up more here, the difference is in bold font. Asashio B is also an Asashio, and they wrote that "simply enter battle in (an) Asashio destroyer to get 250 doubloons". In Polish "an" is not needed to have "wide" meaning of the word. 

 

Correctly they would've written explicitly: "After a battle in the standard Asashio you will be rewarded with 250 doubloons". Clear and simple. 

Too me its very clear, and english is not even my motherlanguage.

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30 minutes ago, fallenkezef said:

I have been in retail for 22 years.

 

The average human is very, very stupid.

Yup. And guys writing promo texts certainly know that very well. 

21 minutes ago, Juanx said:

Reading comprehension is overrated...

Reading in tiself is overrated.

Well, if you have a condition to have just "Asashio", you can understand this as "the standard Asashio" or "Asashio B". From the context you can guess that WG means the standard one, but it is not clearly written. You have to be specific when you have 2 separate ships named "Asashio" differing only with a suffix and a camo. 

Especially when previous practice was to sell a premium ship bundled with missions for THAT ship.

16 minutes ago, Igarigen said:

Too me its very clear, and english is not even my motherlanguage.

To me the English version was clear, too - the Polish not so much. But the point is that it could've been written clearly and all the confusion would have been avoided. For some reason it was not written clearly, and one doesn't need a tin foil to guess why. 

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Just now, EdiJo said:

Yup. And guys writing promo texts certainly know that very well. 

Well, if you have a condition to have just "Asashio", you can understand this as "the standard Asashio" or "Asashio B". From the context you can guess that WG means the standard one, but it is not clearly written. You have to be specific when you have 2 separate ships named "Asashio" differing only with a suffix and a camo. 

To me the English version was clear, too - the Polish not so much. But the point is that it could've been written clearly and all the confusion would have been avoided. For some reason it was not written clearly, and one doesn't need a tin foil to guess why. 

 

Why would you think a "b" version of a ship is the same as the normal version?

 

The main issue here is people being thick, in this particular instance, cant put too much on WG, if people cant read, they should not be playing video games to begin with...

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1 minute ago, Juanx said:

 

Why would you think a "b" version of a ship is the same as the normal version?

 

The main issue here is people being thick, in this particular instance, cant put too much on WG, if people cant read, they should not be playing video games to begin with...

Thinking is simple: both standard Asashio and Asashio B are 2 kinds of Asashio :cap_popcorn:

When you see Asashio B in the battle you dont think much about the "B". 

Nobody speaks about "Kamikaze R" but Kami is Kami. 

 

And when WG issues a mission "for Kamikaze", 99% of Kamikaze R drivers will think that they can do it. :cap_horn:

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21 minutes ago, EdiJo said:

Thinking is simple: both standard Asashio and Asashio B are 2 kinds of Asashio :cap_popcorn:

When you see Asashio B in the battle you dont think much about the "B". 

Nobody speaks about "Kamikaze R" but Kami is Kami. 

 

And when WG issues a mission "for Kamikaze", 99% of Kamikaze R drivers will think that they can do it. :cap_horn:

 

And that is WGs fault how?

As said, if they are "special", there is not a lot that can be done...

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@ColonelPete @fallenkezef @Juanx It has nothing to do with reading comprehension or being stupid!

 

When you read the description carefully, it is quite clear that the extra mission is not for the B-ship. HOWEVER, this is not what usually happens. Our brains are wired in such a way, that unless we think there's a good reason to do so, for the most part we don't read carefully. We skim, and let the brain fill in the gaps with what it assumes to be there. This is done, because reading carefully takes more energy than skimming and our bodies are programmed to preserve energy wherever they can.

 

So in the current example, when the description says, "Combat Mission for 2,500 doubloons on Tirpitz," the customer sees, "Mission for 2500 doubloons" and the brain fills in the rest with the assumption that the mission applies to the ship you buy (quite reasonable assumption at first glance imo). It's only after you play a few games and realise you didn't get the doubloons, that the brain says, "hold on, something went wrong here, better read it again, and more carefully this time".

 

 

 

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