Co-Op Player - Got the Yamato, could get Musashi from Arsenal for Coal or save for Jean Bart - Which to choose?

[IanH755]

Hi all, I'm a Co-Op player and the normal discussions about "which is best in PvP" etc don't really apply so I thought I'd ask this.

 

I have enough Coal for the Musashi which is soon to be leaving the Arsenal, however I already have the Yamato (which I absolutely love) making the Musashi feel a bit redundant but I have no other IJN Premium BB for captain training which makes the Musashi feel useful to me. On the other hand I could also continue to save more Coal to get the Jean Bart instead which would be my first Premium French BB so a good captain trainer for my 16 point Alsace & 14 point Lyon captains.

 

So I could use both ships well as Captain trainers, both seem to be capable against bow on charging bots (Musashi's overmatching guns and Jean Bart's speed and reload consumable) so both would feel equally useful to me but I'm just having trouble making the decision of which would best suit my needs. If the Musashi wasn't leaving soon I'd get the Jean Bart first as I think I could get the 750K Free XP for Musashi in a few months instead but the Musashi removal in update 0.8.0 (mid -Jan?) has skewed my thinking.

 

Has anyone used either in Co-Op and can give an opinion?

 

Cheers....................................................Ian

[DFens_666]

Musashi seems to deliver nice damage in Coop (but you have yamato so you know that^^)

As for JB, i dont really know that, especially against BBs.

 

But maybe this helps:

Musashi is going to be removed, so you probably wont have a chance to get her later on. JB was just released, so i think it should stick around atleast the whole next year. In that time, it should be no problem to get the coal you need for JB (unless WG really wants to screw you and release it in like a couple of months )

So if you get JB, you cant get Musashi (lets face it, we wont see MIssouri again IMO). If you get Musashi now, you should be able to get JB sooner or later. Considering coal seems to be handed out at a steady rate anyway, lately with the RN directive missions, and with the snowflake event which will give coal for lower tier ships.

[Verblonde]

People who are good with BBs can answer better apropos the technical merits of both, but I recently got Musashi - at that point, it was simply because it was cheaper (with reviews suggesting similar levels of utility, albeit with different play-styles), but I'm glad I did since WG have now announced its imminent removal...

 

 

[ForlornSailor]

You could just try and get the free XP faster? Not sure how you are on signals, but switching to Operations for a while should give you enough free XP to get Musashi this way before its removed.

I know you dont have a problem with making ships work economically but ill still mention it: Musashi makes a lot of credit even in Co-Op without economy signals. So there would be no reason to play Yamato in Co-Op anymore, when you have Musashi.

[Blixies]

If I was forced to choose, I would go with Justin Bieber. The reload consumable really makes or breaks the ship and the overall faster reload and speed make it more fun to sail overall.

If you're interested in raw power level, I think Musashi is the clear winner. The DPM, overmatch and alpha strike combined with the durability make it a true monster.

FUN factor: Justin Bieber
POWER factor: Musashi

Thank you for your attention.

[piet11111]

I would highly recommend mushashi especially since she is going away soon.

Jean bart will be around for a while so you can grind her out later.

[NothingButTheRain]

1 hour ago, IanH755 said:

Hi all, I'm a Co-Op player and the normal discussions about "which is best in PvP" etc don't really apply so I thought I'd ask this.

 

I have enough Coal for the Musashi which is soon to be leaving the Arsenal, however I already have the Yamato (which I absolutely love) making the Musashi feel a bit redundant but I have no other IJN Premium BB for captain training which makes the Musashi feel useful to me. On the other hand I could also continue to save more Coal to get the Jean Bart instead which would be my first Premium French BB so a good captain trainer for my 16 point Alsace & 14 point Lyon captains.

 

So I could use both ships well as Captain trainers, both seem to be capable against bow on charging bots (Musashi's overmatching guns and Jean Bart's speed and reload consumable) so both would feel equally useful to me but I'm just having trouble making the decision of which would best suit my needs. If the Musashi wasn't leaving soon I'd get the Jean Bart first as I think I could get the 750K Free XP for Musashi in a few months instead but the Musashi removal in update 0.8.0 (mid -Jan?) has skewed my thinking.

 

Has anyone used either in Co-Op and can give an opinion?

 

Cheers....................................................Ian

Very good advice has already been given in this thread, my compliments to you guys! 

 

I've player both JB and Musashi in coop (particularly Musashi and I've played a LARGE part of all my games in coop vs bots, so I''ll know from first hand what will be practical in coop vs bots).

 

First of all, Musashi will leave us and Musashi can be a beast vs bots as well, especially if you regularly flank them while the bots rush B :P

JB can do the same in coop, but overall I haven't found either ship to be clearly better in coop overall. Musashi does seem to be better at ramming bots, but in this case JB also has its own advantage in the speed boost which is genius if you want to ram bots regularly.

 

My advice would be to get the Musashi and play it with double catapult fighters as most coop games come with a carrier and Musashi AA is of the level of a couple of blindfolded kids throwing rotten tomatos at the enemy planes and the double cata fighters can help a lot in this regard.

 

Please keep in mind that Musashi has a LOT longer flight time of cata planes compared to Yamato. Musashi is the clear winner in this regard! 

 

But in the end, Musashi plays very similar to Yamato and JB plays very similar to the Rich.

 

In coop, creditprinting between both JB and Musashi seems to be roughly similar, except Musashi is easier to excell at doing over-average damage due to the 9*FUs it can sling at broadside bots .

 

If you want to get either for coal, I'd advice to prefer to get the Musashi.

[Shaka_D]

On a side note, how do people maintain a positive credit balance in co-op playing high tiers?

[NothingButTheRain]

2 minutes ago, Shaka_D said:

On a side note, how do people maintain a positive credit balance in co-op playing high tiers?

I use premium account and I use only the free consumables.

 

Musashi and JB can make like 150k credits every coop battle, roughly.

[Aragathor]

Let me say that i think that removing Musashi after a year is *edited* a on the part of WG, screwing people over who thought they could slowly grind the required resources.

As an owner of the Musashi I must say she is a fun boat to play, while my coop stats in her aren't as good as those of the Missouri* I still like to play her more.

I'd advise you to get the Musashi, because the Jean Bart is going to stay for maybe a year.

 

*- Yes, I play Missouri in coop. No, I don't care what people think.

[Major_Damage225]

4 minutes ago, Shaka_D said:

On a side note, how do people maintain a positive credit balance in co-op playing high tiers?

Premium cammo + premium account, you cant loose credits that way. 

 

1 hour ago, IanH755 said:

 

As for you'r choice Ian, Musashi is getting removed come patch 0.8, JB is here to stay for a while, if you'r going for collecting then take Mushisushi now and you'll get coal for JB in time. 

In the end it is up to you to choose. 

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

2 hours ago, IanH755 said:

Hi all, I'm a Co-Op player and the normal discussions about "which is best in PvP" etc don't really apply so I thought I'd ask this.

 

I have enough Coal for the Musashi which is soon to be leaving the Arsenal, however I already have the Yamato (which I absolutely love) making the Musashi feel a bit redundant but I have no other IJN Premium BB for captain training which makes the Musashi feel useful to me. On the other hand I could also continue to save more Coal to get the Jean Bart instead which would be my first Premium French BB so a good captain trainer for my 16 point Alsace & 14 point Lyon captains.

 

So I could use both ships well as Captain trainers, both seem to be capable against bow on charging bots (Musashi's overmatching guns and Jean Bart's speed and reload consumable) so both would feel equally useful to me but I'm just having trouble making the decision of which would best suit my needs. If the Musashi wasn't leaving soon I'd get the Jean Bart first as I think I could get the 750K Free XP for Musashi in a few months instead but the Musashi removal in update 0.8.0 (mid -Jan?) has skewed my thinking.

 

Has anyone used either in Co-Op and can give an opinion?

 

Cheers....................................................Ian

Thanks for asking this, Ian - I was wondering exactly the same thing.

And Thanks to everyone for the excellent replies!

[Verblonde]

1 hour ago, Shaka_D said:

On a side note, how do people maintain a positive credit balance in co-op playing high tiers?

Premium account, plus heavy use of premium ships...

[jss78]

For co-op specifically I might pick the Jean Bart.

 

Musashi has a few things going for it, over Yamato. You get on average slightly (but only slightly) easier opposition. But I feel like this isn't such a huge issue in co-op. Also since you have the Yamato, Musashi is in general a bit dubious. Unless you're an IJN enthusiast and a collector, of course, and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

I don't have the Jean Bart but do have the Richelieu, and I can imagine they're fun vs. bots. You have GREAT speed to maneuver, quite nice secondaries, etc., so you can get pretty action packed games vs. bots.

 

Really it's more about which style of ship you WANT to play. Either of them will kill bots very well. But if in doubt, take the Musashi because the Jean Bart you can still get later.

 

 

[Major_Damage225]

15 minutes ago, jss78 said:

For co-op specifically I might pick the Jean Bart.

I use JB in co-op, it is a monster there, defenetly recomended for the boom boom fun. 

 

Musashi dosent care mutch about oposition, it lolpen cits everything, i use Mushi in coop quite allot and, well it's  citadel ribbon supreme there. 

 

[Vlad_Vado]

If you can get 750K freeXP before 0.8.0 update hits live server, then keep collecting coal and get JB with coal and musashi with freeXP.

If not, then depends on what you want, T-IX premium Yama with worst dispersion that can end bullying T7 ships if MM feels generous or a T-IX richelieu with main battery reload gimmick that can murder any broadsiding ship or light them on fire in a short span of time.

If you like Yama, possibly Musashi can be the best choice and start again collecting coal for JB...

[IanH755]

Thanks for all your replies folks. I think I'll be going to go for the Musashi first using Free XP preferably but Coal if I don't get there soon enough, and we'll see what coal/steel gifts the Xmas missions bring with Snowflakes etc. Once again, thanks for all your help!

 

4 hours ago, Shaka_D said:

On a side note, how do people maintain a positive credit balance in co-op playing high tiers?

 

I built up my 300M "nest egg" of credits in PvP before swapping to Co-Op and 2 years later I'm still at 300M but I regularly go up/down 50-75M when new ships come out as I buy/sell ships and then I have to play Missouri/Tirpitz more often on top of the usual Premium time bonus, or scenarios which pay well (see below).

 

5 hours ago, ForlornSailor said:

You could just try and get the free XP faster? Not sure how you are on signals, but switching to Operations for a while should give you enough free XP to get Musashi this way before its removed.

 

I use a fair old bunch of "whale signals" but if I could match with team's who weren't mouth-breathers I would play scenarios much more but a 2 star win on a 20 min Scenario (shown below) gets me LESS Free XP than three 5-7 minute Co-Op games so I really need to get a 4-5 star win (10K+ free XP) which, because of "amazing" teams, just isn't possible consistently enough. I mean there's still  *edited* who bring none IFHE, Non-AA specc'd ships (looking at you Helena) into this mode or Fiji's who just rush into the first bots and get torped. No amount of face-palming can ever get me enough Free XP with players like that!

 

 

[DFens_666]

2 hours ago, IanH755 said:

I use a fair old bunch of "whale signals" but if I could match with team's who weren't mouth-breathers I would play scenarios much more but a 2 star win on a 20 min Scenario (shown below) gets me LESS Free XP than three 5-7 minute Co-Op games so I really need to get a 4-5 star win (10K+ free XP) which, because of "amazing" teams, just isn't possible consistently enough. I mean there's still *edited* who bring none IFHE, Non-AA specc'd ships (looking at you Helena) into this mode or Fiji's who just rush into the first bots and get torped. No amount of face-palming can ever get me enough Free XP with players like that!

 

We play Dynamo often to farm FreeXP (with 4 guys only) that takes ~16 mins per game and nets >2,5k BaseXP (you can calculate with that easier).

Narai with 4 is also fun and takes a bit more work to get 5 stars, but then you get also nice amount of XP.

[ForlornSailor]

35 minutes ago, IanH755 said:

I use a fair old bunch of "whale signals" but if I could match with team's who weren't mouth-breathers I would play scenarios much more but a 2 star win on a 20 min Scenario (shown below) gets me LESS Free XP than three 5-7 minute Co-Op games so I really need to get a 4-5 star win (10K+ free XP) which, because of "amazing" teams, just isn't possible consistently enough.

 

Easy, add me, @DFens_666 and @NothingButTheRain to your ingame contact. we play operations all the time and are looking for competent people to fill our teams all the time.

[IanH755]

2 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

We play Dynamo often to farm FreeXP (with 4 guys only) that takes ~16 mins per game and nets >2,5k BaseXP (you can calculate with that easier).

Narai with 4 is also fun and takes a bit more work to get 5 stars, but then you get also nice amount of XP.

 

The Op's do pay out well but only if you get a 4-5 star win and thats just not going to happen every match with Random players, especially when you see how poor some players are, as shown in my post above. When you get a 4 star win (as shown below) you can make much more than Co-Op numbers but it's the consistency thats missing with Ops, where as I KNOW that I will make 2K-3K Free XP for a 5-7 minute Co-Op game, every game, without that figure dropping to <500XP for 20 minutes of work because we lose an Op.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, ForlornSailor said:

Easy, add me, @DFens_666 and @NothingButTheRain to your ingame contact. we play operations all the time and are looking for competent people to fill our teams all the time.

 

My issue is Location, I'm working in Saudi with a fairly unreliable internet connection meaning frequent drop-outs and odd available hours but I'll add you and see how it goes.

[Nishi_Kinuyo]

As others have already pretty much stated:

Musashi adds very little gameplay change from the Yamato, but a tier lower, and possibly better credit earnings due to premium camouflage.

If you got premium camouflage on your Yamato, then there's basically no reason to get Musashi at all except for collector's or historical value.

 

Jean Bart should be quite a departure from that gameplay, but likely still have good credit earnings due to it too having premium camouflage.

And, as stated, you got at least two captains you could train using JB.

On the flip side, you got likely a year or more to grind more coal for JB, so there's no rush to get her.

[orzel286]

4 hours ago, ForlornSailor said:

Musashi makes a lot of credit even in Co-Op without economy signals.

No it doesn't. At least not in standard coop, I can't be bothered to check if there are any tier 9 ops.

 

@OP

Just pick whichever you want more, unless you throw crapload of signals and camos you won't make much in standard coop, well, even if you throw everything at your boats you still are handicapped as hell compared to "proper" game modes.

 

 

[Gnirf]

Musashi if your coal inflow is good. 

[IanH755]

3 hours ago, IanH755 said:

 I mean there's still  *edited* who bring none IFHE, Non-AA specc'd ships (looking at you Helena) into this mode or Fiji's who just rush into the first bots and get torped. No amount of face-palming can ever get me enough Free XP with players like that!

 

*edited*

[IanH755]

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