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Hello everybody!

 

We would like to host a stream with Sergey Gornostaev, Senior Museums and Militaria Relations Specialist of our Historical & archival research team, in the near future and for this we need your help! We had a similar episode in our Anniversary stream (see: https://youtu.be/9KPfAyLZDuk?t=5301 ) that was very popular and we'd like to have a dedicated stream for this.

 

What questions do you have and what topics are the most interesting to you?


Let us know in a comment!

 

Greetings, Crysantos

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Hm, let's see...

  • How do museums and archives react when an entity called Wargaming comes to them, as opposed to, say, an academic institute or researcher? Probably better now that WG has been around for a while, but I imagine there might be some hesitation every once in a while?
  • What's the longest, most difficult and complicated quest for a specific piece of evidence you've had to go through? Please share a story!
  • Best, most exciting moment in your carreer for WG?
  • Favourite surprise find that you were totally not expecting?
  • What have you always dreamed of finding but never managed to get?
  • How do you handle cases of conflicting evidence, where one source says one thing and a different source says something else? And relatedly, ever had any forgeries/fakes among your material? Any interesting stories in that regard?
  • Out of sheer principle and tradition, something about the Sikrit Russian Dokumints for the Kurfürst triple turrets... :Smile_izmena:
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23 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

Out of sheer principle and tradition, something about the Sikrit Russian Dokumints for the Kurfürst triple turrets... :Smile_izmena:

That was literally the first thing that came to mind when I saw the topic title. :Smile_teethhappy:

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Pretty much what Tyrendian89 said.

 

Plus:

- Is it easier to get reliable sources for World War 2 ships than World War 1 ships?

- Which navy's ships were easiest and which one's the hardest to get data on (accessability, number of records, how detailed the plans are, etc.)?

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Will WG modders (developers) inteand to visit Georgios Averof (the last and still fanctional) Armored Cruiser to design Both this ship and Pissa Class Armored cruiers, that fought 2 balkan wars, the Russian campaign, the Greek campaign in Asia Minor, that defeated ALONE the turkish entire fleet twice and still stands?

Will WG developers honor REAL HISTORY and not produse cloned ships and create realy unique ships like the Greek Destroyers of WW 1 and WW2 that were entirely unique combining British or French equipment with German one like the famous Vasilisa Olga or earlier Dardo Class destroyer (D-83) or even the most FAMOUS Destroyer of allies the Hunt III class Adrias that made the most epic journey from Turkey to Alexandreia without its bow???

adrias_L-67_1.jpg

 

Finally how you define a ship as legend?

 

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Please Crysantos take a view to Greek Armored Cruiser Georgios Averof(Pisa-class) i have made a topic in forum for that ... please keep in mind wargaming!!! 


Last but not least you can take a look about Greek Destroyers Vasilissa Olga(G-Class) and Greek Destroyer Velos(Fletcher-Class).These three ships have a big amount of action in greek naval warfare history!!! 

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Give Greek ships some love, in the end it's all about real history.  I'm pretty sure that at least Averof should make it into the game.

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14 hours ago, tsounts said:

Give Greek ships some love, in the end it's all about real history.  I'm pretty sure that at least Averof should make it into the game.

Hopefully the "PAN EUROPEAN" line gets some attention soon.

Personally I would love to see "Yugoslav DD Dubrovnik (Or Beograd)" before it was acquired (and renamed) by Italians (Premuda) and later on Germans (TA32).

 

Every player has some "attachment" being nationalistic or purely nostalgic to some ship. We all know and understand that this ships cannot be released in their own lines.

 

Imho they should just rename the Polish line and start adding ships. At least premiums if nothing else.

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Its not about nationalism (that is a bad adviser) but its purely about Naval history.

When you see that ship that is more than 100 years old:

And you learn that it all alone defeated an entire FLEET twice in few months, served in the Russian Campaign , and served in both World Wars and its available for detailed scallinng because its open to public.

When you have Adrias destroyer that made an EPIC journey that considered impossible.

When you have realy unique ships simply because one of the two manufacturers accepted agricultural exports as payments then you have the recipe for arealy unique ships that are not childish like the ARP or High School or Azur commic cloned ships but a real lesson to naval history, then its definatly not nationalism.

 

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13 hours ago, Anthoniusii said:

Its not about nationalism (that is a bad adviser) but its purely about Naval history.

When you see that ship that is more than 100 years old:

And you learn that it all alone defeated an entire FLEET twice in few months, served in the Russian Campaign , and served in both World Wars and its available for detailed scallinng because its open to public.

When you have Adrias destroyer that made an EPIC journey that considered impossible.

When you have realy unique ships simply because one of the two manufacturers accepted agricultural exports as payments then you have the recipe for arealy unique ships that are not childish like the ARP or High School or Azur commic cloned ships but a real lesson to naval history, then its definatly not nationalism.

 

They can take a look and for big historical ship ADRIAS DESTROYER(Hunt-class) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_destroyer_Adrias_(L67)

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7 hours ago, nikos93gr said:

They can take a look and for big historical ship ADRIAS DESTROYER(Hunt-class) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_destroyer_Adrias_(L67)

Not to mention the fact that WG has actually named  bots "Tsamados and Miaoulis" who in reality were famous captains of the 1821 Greek/Turkish wars. (you can see this bot in almost every coop match)

Also there is another bot named Apostolis which is also Greek.

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My question is this, Crysantos, for your 'historical & archival stream' …..

 How about you tell us what historical & archival research WoWS is sitting on?

 You have several obvious missing tech tree lines, such as Fre DDs, UK CVs, Ita DDs, Ita CA/CLs & Ita BBs.

Not to mention Ru BBs (partial?), premium Fre & Ita CV, etc.

Not to mention Pan - European (must be plenty 'historical' there), Pan American (Latin America), other Asian (anything).

Etc.

These are the 'topics' I suggest WoWS research if it hasn't already.

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Heads-up: We'll be closing this thread next Monday, so make sure to get your questions in before then, or swing by the stream to ask them live!

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My question is simple. 

-Are there plans to add more early century ships, to add to the ones we already have now and broaden/diversefy the lower tier gameplay? 

-Has SMS Blücher been concidered? 

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In general which countries/musea/... are the easiest to do research? And which countries are really hard to get the wanted info?

 

While doing research. What was the most unexpected but exiting find?

 

Of all the research done for the game did you consider about making a book about the ships and your finds?

 

 

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13 hours ago, tsounts said:

Not to mention the fact that WG has actually named  bots "Tsamados and Miaoulis" who in reality were famous captains of the 1821 Greek/Turkish wars. (you can see this bot in almost every coop match)

Also there is another bot named Apostolis which is also Greek.

yes you are right!!!

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WG refused to define what Naval Legend is in its own prospective. Because all the videos i saw about Legendary Ships do not even "scratch" the epic journey of Adrias that the ENTIRE ALLY FLEET in Alexandreia took position to honor it because surviving and making such a journey hunted by German Stukas was simply IMPOSIBLE.

Also Polland may fought bravely but its navy has 0% importance to WW 2 out come when the tiny Greek Navy sent to bottom of the sea transports full of soldiers, destroyers etc in a narrow sea fully controloed by the mighty Italian Navy.

Instead we have a Polish Destroyer and a Dutch one...forgeting the HUGE strugle in Mediteranean Sea of the Destroyer Vasilisa Olga that was a british hull with british long range torpedos, with 128mm german guns and 37 mm AA german guns also but ALSO THE 1ST SHIP WORLDWIDE that a primitive Naval radar was tested by Dr Mr Santorinis in 1938-1939 and because Greece had limited intustrial cappabillity was given to British to further development.

Did you know that Greek Navy was the 2nd worldwide that used submarine?

That is the only Navy that its ships never surrender?

That has the ONLY ship that defeated ALONE an entire fleet twice?

Did you know that Armored Cruiser Georgios Averof had a significant (among others) change from the pissa class ships and that was its RAM? In fact the admiral Kountouriotis attempted to ran the Turkish Flag ship and Turks lost their courage and fled!

The 1st that made air to sea bombing in real war?

That was the 1st that tested Ship radars?

That was the 1st that adopted exoset missiles when even the French that created them were sceptical about their use , making the Greek Navy the 1st in western world (soviets were 1st world wide) that adopted guided ship to ship missiles?

And what among these are "legends" to a Russian based company ? It seams they do not forget that when Italy invaded Greece PRAVDA's 1st page congratulated Fasist Mousolini for his desision. Quilt is the only reason i can imagine.

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1) Is it hard to get blueprints of newer ships?

2) wich ships are the extremes of the general research (the oldest and the newst)

3)How usefull fan tech trees were/are

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How many German paper ship designs where the result of operations such as 'Paper Clip'. Basically the allies (or should I say victors) rush to get their hands on German advanced research technology?

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If you could get 1 historical captain into the game (and isn't in the game yet). Who would you choose and why?

 

Any idea for a historical female captain?

 

Idem for battles. Do you have a sea battle that really find fascinates you? Any battle that you could imagine being implemented in to the game as scenario?

 

Did you find experimental ship designs that were to weird for the game? 

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Have you considered the historical glorious Portuguese naval fleet of strong wood? Starting in the quick caravel that deployed 6 foot priests to convert the enemy, all the way to the Carack that carried long range spices and capable of deploying flying seagulls carrying the finest overseas ailments and diseases? No paper ships, but all its ships could be turned into paper! :cap_look:

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How do you research on ships with information mostly availible in their native languages? For example on Dutch and Polish ships. Do you just hire a translator and translate all of it? How exactly does it work when there are archieves in a language thats not spoken by the research team?

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When will we see the following ships in game: - 

 

Royal Navy - Invincible class battlecruisers, HMS Tiger, HMS Queen Mary, HMS Repulse, HMS Renown, HMS Royal Oak, HMS Royal Sovereign HMS Courageous (cruiser design), HMS Glorious (cruiser design), HMS Furious (cruiser design), HMS Black Prince (1904), HMS Agincourt, Aboukir class armoured cruisers (historically first major RN ships sunk during WWI)

Royal Naval heavy cruisers 

Russian battleships (this includes the Arkangelsk which was a Royal Sovereign class)

Greek armoured cruisers

Turkish battleships and armoured cruisers

Spanish ships including the battleships

Argentinian, Chilean and Brazilian capital ships, cruisers and destroyers 

HMS Australia, HMS New Zealand, HMS Canada (WWI battlecruisers and battleship respectively)

 

 

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