clan battles

[DFens_666]

1 hour ago, Lynxas6 said:

Does it guarantee victory to teams that play with a pack of it? Yes.

 

 

If you put 5 or more Stalingrad in one CB they become one being like the borg and assimilate kill everything in their path

[The_Shungite_Wizard]

i really dont want to use 4 commander points to put IFHE on cruisers  just to counter 1 ship..... maybe the ifhe des moines video guy was ahead of his time

[Grimwill]

23 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

I am buying my way into your club!! Soon every man and his goat will have one, your edge will be lost.

But his PR will go up.................

[CaLyPsOo_16]

Stalingrad 10/10 PR-farmer 

[Soemba]

7 minutes ago, evergroy_lows said:

i really dont want to use 4 commander points to put IFHE on cruisers  just to counter 1 ship..... maybe the ifhe des moines video guy was ahead of his time

 

IFHE on a Des Moines doesnt do jack, on a Henri on the other hand does. 203mm vs 240mm it lets you pen 50mm plating which you cant with 203mm IFHE.

[X_Jester_X]

23 minutes ago, MortenTardo said:

Nice Moskvas you have there.

It would have had the same effect ... a team with mostly Stalingrad or full Stalingrad is defeatable ... you just have to play it right

[X_Jester_X]

3 hours ago, gR3iF said:

Find a Stalingrad, deploy HE on him, he will sink. Ships doable of this: Zao, Henry, Harugumo, Hindenburg, Movska and DM. All need to find cover or angling to do so, or they just go bow in and do it (DM)

 

The real question is why arent you prepared? Even if you dont have Stalins at hand you could just tested it with Movskas to mimick and train.

.... don't forget the DD Torps ...

[The_Shungite_Wizard]

29 minutes ago, Soemba said:

 

IFHE on a Des Moines doesnt do jack, on a Henri on the other hand does. 203mm vs 240mm it lets you pen 50mm plating which you cant with 203mm IFHE.

I was just joking around, since that is what CB has become, a joke, I must now put down my tea 🍵 and roll triple conqueror in randoms 

[ClappingLollies]

28 minutes ago, X_Jester_X said:

It would have had the same effect ... a team with mostly Stalingrad or full Stalingrad is defeatable ... you just have to play it right

But why were you not running Moskvas? You get higher HE dpm with the Moskva remember. Clarely the better choice.

[Adm_Hoshiko]

yup Stalins are problem - if WG restrict to only 1 BB than Stalin should also be restrict also so you can use 1 BB or 1 Stalin, easy as that ASAP !!

 

In battle where there is only 1 BB Stalin is also BB !!  In random where is 4-5 BBs Stalin is a cruiser !!

[X_Jester_X]

Just now, MortenTardo said:

But why were you not running Moskvas? You get higher HE dpm with the Moskva remember. Clarely the better choice.

Yes on the HE and good if you don't have the Stalingrad it is the alternative, but since we have them we integrated them for the long run, taken into account that you can really hurt both Cruisers and BBs with it in skilled Hands ....

All i am saying is you can defeat teams that use a majority of Stalingrads with a 'normal setup'.

[ClappingLollies]

27 minutes ago, X_Jester_X said:

Yes on the HE and good if you don't have the Stalingrad it is the alternative, but since we have them we integrated them for the long run, taken into account that you can really hurt both Cruisers and BBs with it in skilled Hands ....

All i am saying is you can defeat teams that use a majority of Stalingrads with a 'normal setup'.

So you admit that the Stalingrad clarely is better than the Moskva? Its very obvious but you still see these guys deny it.

[Excavatus]

we don't have any stalingrad in our clan,

We started like the last season.

Last night, we got 3 teams with stalingrads in them, 1 - 1 and 2

2 stalin team is from a top 10 clan last season they really played well but It was not a stomp.

We put up a hell of a fight, and I was in a stalemate with a stalingrad in my moskva

both bow on each other firing HE mostly.. He tried to fire AP on my SS.. but after saturatin.. he reverted back to HE.

My Moskva has a survival build.

after a couple mins, he realized he is melting faster than me.. and retreated back to an island then their DD had to retreat back..

in another battle, another stalingrad,  was pushing on the off cap with a gearing, we had a zao and shima to face them,

our zao ate that stalingrad while kiting. Finally It had to get out of the cover and whats that????

A montana on your flank stalingrad! Sleep well!

 

My point is,

I can only talk from the enemy perspective,

Stalingrad is a very very strong ship when it comes to punish mistakes.

If you make a stupid mistake infront of a stalingrad.. you say goodby...

but it is same as montana, or yamato, or repo... and desmo, and MBR Henri, and moskva to some extend, and hindenburg.

I once ate a 56K salvo from a hindi in my moskva.

do you think you the montana is OP when you give broadside in a cruiser and get triple citadelled from broadside?

I don't think stalingrad is OP.. yes very very strong ship but with a couple very workable downsides.

 

Spotted from the moon,

no torpedos,

Turns like a brick

burns like charcoal!

 

Imagine you are defending a cap with a stalingrad and lets say your DD got deleted.

and enemy hindenburg started to charge you bow on... what you gonna do?

you either try to kill it, or just run away and give the cap to stay alive..

It does not fit the definition of OP.. at least for mine.

 

People's mistake is, they think stalingrad is like a CA and try to work around like this..

but thats not a CA.. not a BB too.. its a perfect hybrid of a BB and a CA, some BB + and some BB -

Some CA + some CA -

 

and If you aske me which one do you prefer to give broadside by a mistake in your CA/CL..

desmo or stalingrad,

I would prefer stalingrad 10 out of 10 time..

because stalingrad can only fire 1 salvo at me on the perfect broadside..

while at the same time.. desmo... oh boy!

That is one hell of a punishment!

 

The problem with the stalingrad is,

almost all of the captains in there are extremely good players from very good clans..

I don't think we could've win If we'd replace their stalingrads with them..

[X_Jester_X]

28 minutes ago, MortenTardo said:

So you admit that the Stalingrad clarely is better than the Moskva? Its very obvious but you still see these guys deny it.

Uhm no ... the difference lies in the usage or application (Tactics) ... if you wanna work over HE - then take the Moskva ... if you wanna AP things you use the Stalingrad (Yes this is strong on it, but it does not mean it can't be defeated and always depends on individual skills of the person using it)

[Redcap375]

 

5 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

Spotted from the moon,

no torpedos,

Turns like a brick

burns like charcoal!

 

So like a Moskva then..  And that been dealing with its apparent downsides without a problem so far.

 

However, this is a Moskva mk2...it's far Superior.  Just look at the server stats.  Hell, even look at everyones own stats that own both a Mosvka and a Grad. You will see that their Grads 9/10 have better kill ratio, Damage and WR.   Oh and it has Auto bounce AP remember, the Moskva doesn't. Oh and more Hp and heavy hitting guns not to mention the higher fire chance...

 

6 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

People's mistake is, they think stalingrad is like a CA and try to work around like this..

but thats not a CA.. not a BB too.. its a perfect hybrid of a BB and a CA, some BB + and some BB -

Some CA + some CA -

 

And there is the problem that throws Clan Battles balance out of sink..  Your bring Battlecrusiers to a mainly cruiser battle. Like bringing a SA80 to a pistol fight with distance being the name of the game. 

 

Perfect Battlecrusier territory.  However, this is only available to a select few at the moment and hence why i am against it in prinalbe.  Nothing at all to do with me not owing one yet (after this clans i will tho). 

 

Make it a "loan" ship so everyone can make their own minds up.  If it's not OP or elitist then open it up to the masses. Do you think WG will ever do that? 

 

17 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

2 stalin team is from a top 10 clan last season they really played well but It was not a stomp.

We put up a hell of a fight, and I was in a stalemate with a stalingrad in my moskva

both bow on each other firing HE mostly.. He tried to fire AP on my SS.. but after saturatin.. he reverted back to HE.

My Moskva has a survival build.

after a couple mins, he realized he is melting faster than me.. and retreated back to an island then their DD had to retreat back..

 

2 Grads?  May i ask if you won that game?  Because my bet is that you didn't.

 

And your in a Clan like DAVY, hardly a push over.  Now think about the majority of casual clans that come up against 2 of these?? Not good.

 

They probably used them on the safe cap firing across to the contenting cap.  I.e their concealment not being a issue.  You wanna push the safe cap then you gotta push against 2 Gards...Not easy at all.

 

*sigh*

 

We are painting a bad picture to other Clans.  Casual players and clans are being knocked around against these things and it's becoming an in-house joke.  How can we then say everyone has a fair chance with a ship that only a few players have (lets be honest right now).

 

With the release of the French tier 10 BB what is this all turning into?? P2W.  Something that i never never, never thought would happen to tier 10 clan battles is now happening and it's here to stay. 

 

Money and greed has got it's way again.  It happened to WT, even more so with the crazy Russian bias going on (IS3 lol) and it's here in WOWS. 

 

It was only a matter of time i suppose.  Such a shame, it really is..

[Excavatus]

16 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

However, this is a Moskva mk2...it's far Superior.

I agree with this, Stalingrad can be a better moskva in a lot of situations.
But the part I am not agreing is people screaming that ship is ridiculously OP!!

 

17 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

And there is the problem that throws Clan Battles balance out of sink..  Your bring Battlecrusiers to a mainly cruiser battle. Like bringing a SA80 to a pistol fight with distance being the name of the game. 

 

Perfect Battlecrusier territory. 

Thats actually not working like that in CB from my perspective.

Stalingrad is not versatile.. not flexiable..

The most flexible team wins the battles almost %90 of the time..

18 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

However, this is only available to a select few at the moment and hence why i am against it in prinalbe

This is focus of the problem If you ask me..

But I don't think it should be exluded. People played hard and good to get that ship they should be able to play that ship in the most fun mod of this game.

Making stalingrad available for a bigger audiance would be the solution If you ask me that that is what they are doing I guess..

20 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

2 Grads?  May i ask if you won that game?  Because my bet is that you didn't.

we had 3 teams with stalins in them last night as I've said..

1 1 2..

we lost the 2 and 1 and won the other one.

but I don't think we lost because of the stalingrads...

2 stalingrad team was from HEROS... they really beat us.. fair and square..

I believe If they'd gave us the Stalins and took anyship we choose instad, we would still lose to them probably.

the other game we lost, was a very close one, which I tried my wooster in first.. and decided not ever again in CB.. I can't play that crap..
so basically we started almost -1 ship..

and the other we won, stalingrad was actually never a big threat for us..

 

just to make it clear,

I think the big part of the "Stalingrad problem" is just the players who own them.. not the ship itself.

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

2 hours ago, Grimwill said:

But his PR will go up.................

How? Explain so me and Zoooki @quickr can understand?

[ClappingLollies]

22 minutes ago, X_Jester_X said:

Uhm no ... the difference lies in the usage or application (Tactics) ... if you wanna work over HE - then take the Moskva ... if you wanna AP things you use the Stalingrad (Yes this is strong on it, but it does not mean it can't be defeated and always depends on individual skills of the person using it)

Why does it seem like everyone that have the option always go for the Stalingrad then?

If i had it. I would use it aswell. But i wont. And never will. Fake OP russian wet fantacy ship. That is all it is.

 

 

[Ysterpyp]

10 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

How? Explain so me and Zoooki @quickr can understand?

They actually mean your pr will get even worse, since you have to do extremely good to get good pr on that ship. Since only some good players have her right now

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

Can't wait for New Year's steel events and people crying afterwards, that Stalingrad needs a lowered citadel. 

[CaLyPsOo_16]

10 minutes ago, MortenTardo said:

Why does it seem like everyone that have the option always go for the Stalingrad then?

If i had it. I would use it aswell. But i wont. And never will. Fake OP russian wet fantacy ship. That is all it is.

 

 

So you rather have us play the Moskva then right? As we can say, another fake russian wet fantaCy ship? 

[quickr]

5 minutes ago, Ysterpyp said:

They actually mean your pr will get even worse, since you have to do extremely good to get good pr on that ship. Since only some good players have her right now

That's not what @Grimwill meant 

[Juggernauthz]

15 hours ago, Reaper_JackGBR said:

Again. If it's not OP why are people doing it? 

- Stalingrad is a better Moskva, so it takes Moskva's slot by default
- Of course you win against comps who don't have Stalingrad, because they are non typhoon clans. You would lose just as well against a Hurricane clan that is not using a single Stalingrad
- It was the first day of a new CB season. In two days, all the Typhoon clans will be gone and you will rarely see it, except if you're Typhoon yourself
- You mentioned Hurricane at some point. You only need 30 Typhoon games to get the final steel reward

So yes, this is a good ship, with strong strengths and strong weaknesses, just like Moskva. Unlike Moskva, it's just being played by better people overall, so it shows even better results. If Stalingrad didn't exist, you would complain about Worcester and Harugumo spam, so please stop being an hypocrite and go farm yourself some steel. ;)

[The_Shungite_Wizard]

That's all fine and good that they will dissappear to the top but what happens when u get board and decide to seal club the bravo league? Preventing progression for the causul clans? 

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 1 Minute, evergroy_lows sagte:

That's all fine and good that they will dissappear to the top but what happens when u get board and decide to seal club the bravo league? Preventing progression for the causul clans? 

Their Bravo rating will raise just as fast and the impact on other clans won't be significant.