clan battles

[ApesTogetherStronK]

10 minutes ago, Contender83 said:

Just a suggestion, but maybe we need to wait a bit further into a season and people will figure out a hard counter against stalin-heavy setups. As for TTT we just replaced our 2 moskvas with the stalin so you could argue that stalin IS in a sense an "improved" moskva and just fits the CB meta much better. It's very good against players who make mistakes, but I'm not sure how it is against players/clans who know what they're doing. Maybe you could argue its too good at punishing mistakes and needs a nerf, but whether WG would see it your way is another question entirely, especially when they get around to monetizing steel.

 

We're already working on it, the thing we noticed with such setups that we fought today was that because they were geared for anti-Stalin they became very weak to a more regular setup.  It'll be about striking a balance between the two. Though it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth that setups should be based around a single ship to begin with. The same thing happened last season with Worcesters. (Which speaking of, since the nerf do not seem to be too much of an issue anymore, at least no more than any other tier 10 Cruiser.) 

[ShinGetsu]

You know, I'm seriously wondering how big the sh#tstorm will be when WG gonna add the Azuma with Zao dispersion pattern, better mobility and stealth in exchange for armor and improved bounce... and when top clan will mix it with their 4 Stalingrad setup to have better versatility...

 

That will be fun. I can't wait to see reddit and the forum explodes in saltiness as the Stalin will tank and punishes mistakes while Azuma will sneak around and citadel from the side.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Before this thread becomes another massive s**tfest may I ask:

 

What team composition (considering that clans playing Stalingrad lineups are very competent players) would be able to effectively fight this lineups?

Currently my only idea is another Stalingrad team.

 

This kind of "problem" is one of the prime examples how WG themselves mess with their own event and make it frustrating and unbalanced.

 

Dont get me wrong ... I am not envious of you guys owning Stalingrad .... its just that every single time there is some sh**fiesta produced by WG because they cant think a month in advance (lack of imagination in my opinion).

[tsounts]

@MrConway, @Crysantos, You guys have to communicate with the central offices and tell them to stop messing around with ships.  Stalingrad and Moskva were very decent ships (to say the least) and you proceeded to buff their bow armour even more while at the same time nerfed Worcester and YY to say the least. 

[Ysterpyp]

stalin aint really that good considering it will deal only 10% dmg to dd's  all the time. Unless you find the "1" key :(

[Soemba]

A 7x Stalingrad will never make it in the higher leagues. Id be impressed if it did, wondering if a Clan is up for ths challenge. Id imagine TWA willing to try it.

Bu positioning and focus fire is everything. The thing cant hide, it gets spotted from the moon. Adapt and overcome. 

During training we had a Stalingrad get spotted early game and getting wrecked in a few salvos. Nothing he could do about it apart from praying to lord RNG. In that case the positioning of the other team got the best of him imagine that

[ShinGetsu]

2 hours ago, nambr9 said:

Before this thread becomes another massive s**tfest may I ask:

 

What team composition (considering that clans playing Stalingrad lineups are very competent players) would be able to effectively fight this lineups?

Currently my only idea is another Stalingrad team.

 

This kind of "problem" is one of the prime examples how WG themselves mess with their own event and make it frustrating and unbalanced.

 

Dont get me wrong ... I am not envious of you guys owning Stalingrad .... its just that every single time there is some sh**fiesta produced by WG because they cant think a month in advance (lack of imagination in my opinion).

I'd say you need either a République for mobility+high penetration or a Conkek for the stealth, stupid HE and/or AP on broadsides, and a team that is split up for crossfiring, as well as a good DD. Montana lacks penetration and the shells are slow, while Yamato is too massive and vulnerable to crossfire across the map. Throw to the mix a balanced team of cruisers with Hinden or Henri IFHE for the 50mm penetration, Zao for stealthtorpedo, Moskva or DM for the AP and it should do the trick as long as you're careful not giving any broadside. As for DD, Gearing, Shima or YueYang I guess.

Spot them and focus fire on them one by one. You will need a team that knows well how to focus on one target and how to crossfire properly. A team of Stalingrad shouldn't have the map control and the initiative considering they are spotted from the moon... The result will entirely depends on how good you are at focusing them down and not giving them any chance to fight back effectively. And how good the Stalingrad team is as well. Cause if they manage to cover each other with crossfires I think you're gonna suffer even if you win.

[ClappingLollies]

21 minutes ago, Soemba said:

A 7x Stalingrad will never make it in the higher leagues. Idressed if it did, wonderf a Clan is up for ths challenge. Id imagine TWA willing to try it.

Bu positioning and focus fire is everything. The thing cant hide, it gets spotted from the moon. Adapt and overcome. 

During training we had a Stalingrad get spotted early game and getting wrecked in a few salvos. Nothing he could do about it apart from praying to lord RNG. In that case the positioning of the other team got the best of him imagine that

Thats all fine and dandy. But how do you spot it early? Unless its a potato player or make a big mistake (which is higly unlikely). There are no CV's and by the time you are close enough in a DD you will get spotted by the enemy DD. If not you will have to get into a better position. By that time the Stalin is alredy tucked nicely next to an island. Keep in mind that she is not just stronk. But fast as well. 

 

Basically you have to try to build lineups around dealing with Stalingrads. That is just stupid Imo. If only someone could have warned us that this would happen. 

 

Oh. Wait... 

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[gR3iF]

Find a Stalingrad, deploy HE on him, he will sink. Ships doable of this: Zao, Henry, Harugumo, Hindenburg, Movska and DM. All need to find cover or angling to do so, or they just go bow in and do it (DM)

 

The real question is why arent you prepared? Even if you dont have Stalins at hand you could just tested it with Movskas to mimick and train.

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

Guess it happened in time. The weather becomes a bit cold in The Netherlands, so thanks for the salt we can use on our roads :)

A bit more on topic; what can be annoying is that by bringing 7 Stalingrads, or 7 Moskva's, is the HP pool that is being brought to the game. You can't just run over that, it takes time... 

 

15 minutes ago, MortenTardo said:

Thats all fine and dandy. But how do you spot it early? Unless its a potato player or make a big mistake (which is higly unlikely). There are no CV's and by the time you are close enough in a DD you will get spotted by the enemy DD. If not you will have to get into a better position. By that time the Stalin is alredy tucked nicely next to an island. Keep in mind that she is not just stronk. But fast as well. 

 

Basically you have to try to build lineups around dealing with Stalingrads. That is just stupid Imo. If only someone could have warned us that this would happen. 

 

Oh. Wait... 

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Just like how we build setups around Worcester or YueYang?

[Soemba]

16 minutes ago, MortenTardo said:

Thats all fine and dandy. But how do you spot it early? Unless its a potato player or make a big mistake (which is higly unlikely). There are no CV's and by the time you are close enough in a DD you will get spotted by the enemy DD. If not you will have to get into a better position. By that time the Stalin is alredy tucked nicely next to an island. Keep in mind that she is not just stronk. But fast as well. 

 

Basically you have to try to build lineups around dealing with Stalingrads. That is just stupid Imo. If only someone could have warned us that this would happen. 

 

Oh. Wait... 

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So you where prepared a Stalingrad could be in the line up against you, but you didn't prepare. Its not as if there was no time between clan battles and the time that Stalingrad was introduced. 

 

Oh wait...

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

If you really think 6x Stalin is king, just go 6x IFHE-Henry IV yourself. 

 

 

 

[Ferry_25]

11 hours ago, Reaper_JackGBR said:

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Oh boy! I so wish I could know the line up beforehand. I'd take out a 7 Shima 20's platoon and force out a draw!

[quickr]

51 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

If you really think 6x Stalin is king, just go 6x IFHE-Henry IV yourself. 

 Are you happy? You ruined it now!! 

 

 

 

 

[EffinFish]

I do not have Stalingrad. I intend to earn the required steel and buy her though. 

 

Is it OP? Of course. By all standards.

 

Does it guarantee victory to teams that play with a pack of it? Yes. But usually these teams would win anyway.

 

Do I mind its presense in its current state in CB? NO.

 

I mean I don't mind if there is one ship in the game that does not care about the opposition. I don't say they should make a habbit of it, but I think Stalingrad can be an exception. Yes, my team lost because of it, but we had some good laughs, which is what all of this is about. Plus when everyone finally gets it it will not be so OP.

[ClappingLollies]

50 minutes ago, Soemba said:

So you where prepared a Stalingrad could be in the line up against you, but you didn't prepare. Its not as if there was no time between clan battles and the time that Stalingrad was introduced. 

 

Oh wait...

I am prepared. I don't expect you to understand, but not everyone always have all the ships needed ready in port.

Infact even if we would try to run a pure anti Stalingrad setup i don't think we could. Simply because players don't have the ships needed.

 

Forcing clans to build against one type of ship is just dumb.

But i guess the elitist ego clouds any logical judgement.

[mrk421]

I'm sure teams will stop fielding 3-5 Stalingrads once they reach the Typhoon and Hurricane leagues. We'll totally see them less played in those leagues.

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[__Helmut_Kohl__]

9 minutes ago, mrk421 said:

I'm sure teams will stop fielding 3-5 Stalingrads once they reach the Typhoon and Hurricane leagues. We'll totally see them less played in those leagues.

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We have 7 Stalingrads and only field 1 of them.

 

Don't think that will change any time soon. 

[quickr]

11 minutes ago, mrk421 said:

We'll totally see them less played in those leagues.

 

You won't see any Stalins in CBs that's for sure 

[ClappingLollies]

5 minutes ago, quickr said:

 

You won't see any Stalins in CBs that's for sure 

Yep. Noone playes them. Because Moskva has higher HE dpm. That is why you see no Stalingrads in CW.

[quickr]

4 minutes ago, MortenTardo said:

Yep. Noone playes them. Because Moskva has higher HE dpm. That is why you see no Stalingrads in CW.

I was referring to him not being in a clan so he won't be playing any clan battles ergo he won't see any stalingrads whatsoever 

[X_Jester_X]

 

 

Defeatable with Skill and Tactics ..... doable also with Moskva's ....

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

12 hours ago, gR3iF said:

Why isnt Stalin okay?
 

She get outdpmed by nearly any cruiser, she has a citadel, she has good ap, but you can angle vs ap, movska got the same radar.

 

Where is she op apart from the fact that she is played by the Superunicums for 90% of the times and therefore shine.

I am buying my way into your club!! Soon every man and his goat will have one, your edge will be lost.

[CaLyPsOo_16]

[ClappingLollies]

5 minutes ago, X_Jester_X said:

 

 

Defeatable with Skill and Tactics ..... doable also with Moskva's ....

Nice Moskvas you have there.