clan battles

[Soemba]

Off course not! How can you think that people get outplayed! Must be the ship for sure. 

[ApesTogetherStronK]

4 minutes ago, K_NGP_N said:

that evidence

 

Its surely the ship and not the skill level the guys with access to stalingrad have.

Again. If it's not OP why are people doing it? 

[K_NGP_N]

Just now, Reaper_JackGBR said:

Again. If it's not OP why are people doing it? 

Because we only use OP Ships
Yamato Worcester Mino Yueyang Henri Zao ALL OP

[Soemba]

Well maybe since it's the start of the season. So the top tiered clans will meet low tiered ones and will steamroll them most likely. So why not have fun doing it? 

 

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 7 Stunden, MortenTardo sagte:

Funny that everyone that have the Staingrad says its fine. But still use often more than two of them a game. Funny how biased ppl are. 

Funny how only people who don't have her call her OP because they have no idea what they are talking about.

 

Vor 6 Stunden, Reaper_JackGBR sagte:

She can broadside far more than a Moskva without getting citadeled

Try that when you get her, let's see how long you can survive doing that

Vor 6 Stunden, Reaper_JackGBR sagte:

her HE dpm and fire chance is massive for a ship of her caliber,

Her HE dpm is 121,500. Just for comparison, the HE dpm of T6 Budyonny  is 148,500.

Vor 6 Stunden, Reaper_JackGBR sagte:

she reloads almost as fast as a Zao

Yeah, only 32% slower, that's totally just as fast.

Vor 6 Stunden, Reaper_JackGBR sagte:

You have 25mm bow and stern armour that is supposed to autobounce me? Lol nope I go through it anyway

25mm needs 358mm guns to overmatch. Stalingrad has 305mm. Guess what? You are talking bullshlt here, mate.

Vor 6 Stunden, Reaper_JackGBR sagte:

why did we see them fielding 5+ of the things today?

Is that really so hard to understand? Because they are trolling you. You and all those other wimps that come to Reddit and to the forum to cry about Stalingrads. All those players that have no idea what they are talking about. It's just incredibly funny to see you snivel like that.

Vor 6 Stunden, Reaper_JackGBR sagte:

Again my experience was the opposite. 

Every game we had without Stalingrads we won by virtue of outplaying the enemy. Every game against Stalingrads was lost without much ability for us to do anything about it no matter what tactics were tried; against competent players using them and using islands for cover/concealment you simply cannot kill them fast enough when there are more than one of them. Add to that their own massive damage output and circumventing the only one BB rule (and yes they are BB's, their gun calibre is above the threshold for what was changed to BB AP vs DD's.) We will be tweaking some things tomorrow to see if it deals with them any better. 

 

It's worth noting that the one game we had where only one Stalin was present was close, but with three or more was just impossible to do anything meaningful against them.

What a big surprise, you lose against the top clans of the former seasons more often than against the not so top clans? Damn, who could've expected that.

[Aotearas]

6 minutes ago, gR3iF said:

She get outdpmed by nearly any cruiser

I'd like to relativize that argument, because the raw dpm numbers are misleading. Only Stalingrad, Hindenburg and Henry IV. with IFHE skill can effectively HE pen a Stalingrad. The rest will see a very steep decline in HE damage once saturation on the bow/aft and superstructure kicks in. I'm going to omit discussing AP dpm because quite frankly no one good enough to have a Stalingrad at this point is just going to let themselves get farmed in the open by AP without angling.

 

In addition to the effective dpm as opposed to theoretical dpm, with the vastly superiour health pool it also means that a Stalingrad can take a LOT of HE damage before going down. I don't know the exact data for a Stalingrad, but we established last season that a decently positioned Moskva can tank on average 100k damage before getting sunk, that figure should be equal or higher for a Stalingrad.

 

Ergo at this point we're not comparing theoretical dpm numbers, we're essentially talking about if a Stalingrad can outtrade other cruisers in a fight. And though I'm sure the basic go-to counter would be to focus-fire, that's only possible if a Stalingrad gets caught out of position where it can't back up into concealment or cover, the latter of which doesn't seem to be particularily likely given the generous amount of island cover in the current map pool.

 

 

 

That's just something I wanted to say in regard to the dpm argument. I'm not going to stick my head into the rest of that hornet's nest of a discussion this early into the CB season however, especially considering we already brainstormed setup changes that should help in dealing with Stalingrads.

 

 

 

 

Also, by any means I can only encourage everyone to keep using Stalingrads sicne all that data is eventually end up in WG's hands to analyze, for whatever that might change.

[ClappingLollies]

1 minute ago, Reaper_JackGBR said:

Again. If it's not OP why are people doing it? 

Because the Moskva is better. They just want a challenge. Obviously. 

[GarrusBrutus]

Shall we rename Clanbattles to "Stalinbattles: The Clash Of The Balansgrads" *sovjet anthem playing*

[ApesTogetherStronK]

1 minute ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

Funny how only people who don't have her call her OP because they have no idea what they are talking about.

 

Try that when you get her, let's see how long you can survive doing that

Her HE dpm is 121,500. Just for comparison, the HE dpm of T6 Budyonny  is 148,500.

Yeah, only 32% slower, that's totally just as fast.

25mm needs 358mm guns to overmatch. Stalingrad has 305mm. Guess what? You are talking bullshlt here, mate.

Is that really so hard to understand? Because they are trolling you. You and all those other pussies that come to Reddit and to the forum to cry about Stalingrads. All those players that have no idea what they are talking about. It's just incredibly funny to see you snivel like that.

What a big surprise, you lose against the top clans of the former seasons more often than against the not so top clans? Damn, who could've expected that.

- I have enough experience shooting her to know that even Henri AP bounces if not almost fully flat, Moskva would instead be citadeled when only slightly angled. 

- With reload mod etc. considering the calibre is 102mm higher the difference is negligible. 

- Yeah, that's how it should work, then explain why Stalins do 12k through my bow all the time when nose on? 

- And actually no, we beat some of those same clans last season. 

 

So you can take your superior elitist attitude and shove it. 

[FireRM]

7 minutes ago, Reaper_JackGBR said:

Again my experience was the opposite. 

Every game we had without Stalingrads we won by virtue of outplaying the enemy. Every game against Stalingrads was lost without much ability for us to do anything about it no matter what tactics were tried; against competent players using them and using islands for cover/concealment you simply cannot kill them fast enough when there are more than one of them. Add to that their own massive damage output and circumventing the only one BB rule (and yes they are BB's, their gun calibre is above the threshold for what was changed to BB AP vs DD's.) We will be tweaking some things tomorrow to see if it deals with them any better. 

 

It's worth noting that the one game we had where only one Stalin was present was close, but with three or more was just impossible to do anything meaningful against them.

 

You are not a bad clan, you probably lost because you faced a better opponent, it happens. As I said, it is the first day of the season, give the people a bit more time to figure out how to counter these setups and they will. The players are intelligent enough to figure how to counter certain metas to a good degree, the past seasons are a good indicator for that.

[Tyrendian89]

you know what's even more funny? With WG pretty much straight up selling Steel in a little bit, they're effectively eliminating the last chance of Stalin ever getting nerfed - before, they could sort of have claimed "we can nerf her because no one paid real money for her, she was a grind just like every silver ship (just a bit harder)". Yeah well that'll be gone...

[ApesTogetherStronK]

1 minute ago, FireRM said:

 

You are not a bad clan, you probably lost because you faced a better opponent, it happens. As I said, it is the first day of the season, give the people a bit more time to figure out how to counter these setups and they will. The players are intelligent enough to figure how to counter certain metas to a good degree, the past seasons are a good indicator for that.

I said before, we're already brainstorming that. 

But still. If this is going to be the meta it's just not going to be fun for those who aren't that top 1%, which will eventually kill CB's (or at least grievously wound the player numbers) and that's something to watch out for. 

[Killerbin34]

Have you considered pausing your playtimes for a day or two to allow the Stalin heavy clans to move out of your MM Bracket ?

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 1 Minute, Reaper_JackGBR sagte:

- With reload mod etc. considering the calibre is 102mm higher the difference is negligible. 

Sure, if you put reload mod and AR on the Zao and Main Battery Modification 2 on the Stalingrad, their Reload is basically the same. But that's a dumb way to compare things.

Vor 2 Minuten, Reaper_JackGBR sagte:

- Yeah, that's how it should work, then explain why Stalins do 12k through my bow all the time when nose on? 

Because you are bad at angling and evading?

Vor 3 Minuten, Reaper_JackGBR sagte:

So you can take your superior elitist attitude and shove it. 

It's no attitude, I'm really superior to you

[ApesTogetherStronK]

1 minute ago, KIllerbin34 said:

Have you considered pausing your playtimes for a day or two to allow the Stalin heavy clans to move out of your MM Bracket ?

Yes, but the season is not long enough to take pauses if you want to get the rewards for a good number of your clan base, there are still less sessions this season than the first two seasons by about a week. Even though Wargaming told us we were getting more time. 

[ApesTogetherStronK]

1 minute ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

Sure, if you put reload mod and AR on the Zao and Main Battery Modification 2 on the Stalingrad, their Reload is basically the same. But that's a dumb way to compare things.

Because you are bad at angling and evading?

It's no attitude, I'm really superior to you

In conclusion. You now sound like a total asshat. Congrats. 

 

[ClappingLollies]

2 minutes ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

 

It's no attitude, I'm really superior to you

 

Sweaty guy. Just sweaty. 

[Soemba]

Sarcasm guys, sarcasm....

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 3 Minuten, Reaper_JackGBR sagte:

In conclusion. You now sound like a total asshat. Congrats.

If everyone who tells you the truth and corrects you sounds like an asshat to you, you might have some kind of psychological problem.

[ApesTogetherStronK]

Just now, Soemba said:

Sarcasm guys, sarcasm....

 

Wasn't written like that to my eyes. And even if it was, the things he said were still...well as Mort put it. Sweaty. 

[ApesTogetherStronK]

1 minute ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

If everyone who tells you the truth and corrects you sounds like an asshat to you, you might have some kind of psychological problem.

 

No, you resorted to making personal attacks without having ever seen me play and did not answer my original questions. You don't have a monopoly on truth buddy. 

[Soemba]

Just now, Reaper_JackGBR said:

 

Wasn't written like that to my eyes. And even if it was, the things he said were still...well as Mort put it. Sweaty. 

You call someone out for being elitist and he responds by calling himself superior. That's sarcasm right there

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Gerade eben, Reaper_JackGBR sagte:

 

Wasn't written like that to my eyes. And even if it was, the things he said were still...well as Mort put it. Sweaty. 

Feel free to correct me if there is anything wrong I said

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Vor 1 Minute, Reaper_JackGBR sagte:

No, you resorted to making personal attacks without having ever seen me play and did not answer my original questions. You don't have a monopoly on truth buddy. 

Well, what was your original question?

And yes, of course I don't have a monopoly on that, but it seems you just don't want to use your access to it ^^

[ClappingLollies]

5 minutes ago, Commander_Cornflakes said:

Feel free to correct me if there is anything wrong I said

You are 100% correct. You probably are the better player. Now go shower.

 

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