Ticking clocks and my hard time recommending this game

[El2aZeR]

10 hours ago, Exocet6951 said:

Jokes on them, this year my whole Christmas season will be away from the computer. 

They're not getting a cent out of me. 

 

Obviously.

You're not getting paid in gulag after all comrade.

[CptBarney]

I can understand what you mean too be honest. And if you really want something in the game it can feel like a rush half the time especially since they never announce whether said thing will be returning in anyway shape or form.

 

Obviously they are doing what they do with any prem they removed from world of tanks, too try and get you to spend money so you can free exp quicker which is a pain in the arse sometimes.

[Johnny_Moneto]

All of this is just a big plea to legalize Marijuana. We'd be all so much more relaxed (yet hungrier). 

[T0byJug]

13 hours ago, Verblonde said:

Presumably, they made a sack-load of cash from people doing that when MO got the chop, and had what might be called a 'lightbulb' moment...!

 

Scene at WG HQ:

 

Not really.. As it was stated when the Musashi was added it would not be around for ever. But we would be given plenty of time to get the ship.

[T0byJug]

6 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

I can understand what you mean too be honest. And if you really want something in the game it can feel like a rush half the time especially since they never announce whether said thing will be returning in anyway shape or form.

 

Obviously they are doing what they do with any prem they removed from world of tanks, too try and get you to spend money so you can free exp quicker which is a pain in the arse sometimes.

They have always said if something is being removed ASSUME it wont be coming back.... they said this when the MO went.. The chance of a return is very very slim.

[antean]

14 hours ago, KruppStahl14 said:

I am not interested in grinding certain lines

Then don't.  I note, OP, that you seem to imply that 'grinding' is just too time consuming and/or you want to play high end asap (via purchases). This is what I  get from your comments.

Well, anything worth obtaining is worth spending some time on. There is just too much of this juvenile 'entitlement' attitude to just getting it all for free or easily.

Buck up Buttercup.

[Exocet6951]

49 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Obviously.

You're not getting paid in gulag after all comrade.

 

You'd think with the amount of money they make from them, WG could pay their totally volunteering lootbox factory workers! 

 

[CptBarney]

46 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

They have always said if something is being removed ASSUME it wont be coming back.... they said this when the MO went.. The chance of a return is very very slim.

yes but they said that about a lot of things didn't they? i mean they said the mutant would be exclusive (never owned one just a point) and yet they still sold it for a day regardless. Similiar to other premiums or things that wouldn't be making a comeback.

 

frankly i trust this company as far as i throw them which is not at all.

[T0byJug]

16 hours ago, KruppStahl14 said:

As the title tells, i am hesitant to fully recommend this game to my friends.

Let me explain why: The number of ticking clocks on content increases, we got them on free XP and coal ships (Musashi & Kronstadt will be removed, just like Missouri) and on rewards for events (Royal Navy). I do understand it for the last one. But for the others ?

 

A good example are three of my friends. I told them about this game, they played it and had fun. But they also want to get good when they play together and go for high end stuff, aka tryharding. They also did buy premium time and ships. Two of them were about to get good DD players and one a good BB player.

 

My friends went on to other games where content isnt limited on time like here. And i understand that.

The bad things are that i cant play together with them anymore, the community lost three players with great potential quite fast and WG lost three customers. I think they are not the only ones who left the game because of this and that hurts the playerbase.

 

That is meant as constructive criticism.

 

@Crysantos  @MrConway

Ok for  start +1 for as you say trying to be constructive in you criticism. You post is a good one though i disagree with a lot of what you say. so lets respond step by step.

 

Then they asked: "Whats the best creditmaker in the game?" My answer: Missouri, no longer in the game, only for players who played from date X to date Y.

"What can we go for instead ?" Musashi or Kronstadt. Oh well, soon both get removed aswell Its always been understood these ships will be removed (though i thought Kronstadt would be around for  while longer)  Removed free XP ships have always be Replaced in the past  with new ones, there is no reason to believe this will not happen again. Rummer has it by a Destroyer this time (so good for your DD player friends) If i had any suggestion for wargaming it would be some lower tier Free XP ships like the Nelson would be nice

 

What this leads to is that it forces people to play almost only this game to reach this content. If we want to take a break from WoWs, to come back with new excitement afterwards, we will miss stuff. Thats ok for ranked seasons, events and stuff like that. But for long term goals like free XP/coal ships ? Absolutely not !

Forcing people to play a game is a very bad way of marketing. People play it to have fun in the first place, some for free and some pay for it. If everything gets a huge grind with time limits, it takes aways alot of fun and turns the game into work for some people and they dont like to pay for work.  There is more than enough time if you don't  use all you Free XP on commanders and Techtree ships. The coal/free XP ships you are chasing are tier IX they should be hard to get.. There are many lower tier Coal ships you can get. and we have had a tier VII free XP ship that was just 350K (Yes i think they should come out with some more) As for Forcing people to play as bad marketing... Its a free to play game.. the HOLE concept of this game model is forcing people to play. You need people online and playing for the hole concept to work. Lots of people complain about the Xmas missions as its holiday season.. Though i completely agree for Clan battles it not the best time to do it especially as some clans take Clan battles seriously. But free ship grinds like that have been announced over Xmas are there to encourage people to play more so there are the necessary number of people online over a season where its normally quite... this is how the hole free to play concept works.  

Point is since the Musashi was released I have had time to save up for the Kronstadt (I already had the FXP for Musashi when she came out) and accumulate 2.6 million free XP so a more casual player who  plays about 1/4 of the time i play should have had enough time to get the Musashi 

 

My friends went on to other games where content isnt limited on time like here. And i understand that.

The bad things are that i cant play together with them anymore, the community lost three players with great potential quite fast and WG lost three customers. I think they are not the only ones who left the game because of this and that hurts the playerbase. 

I cant think of a single free to play game like this (EG Warthunder/Armoured warfare)  that douse not have some content that is time limited. Simple fact is if you want free stuff you have to work for it.

 

Free to play games have time time limited content and permanent content. People that play to much of this game like me have all of it.. If you dont play so much you have to pick and choose.. The free XP/coal ships are the best time  limited content you can have. Much better than the Cossack mission for example.. Why do i say this well.. If you dont finish the Cossack mission (and its not at all hard to complete) and you cant/wont pay to make up the difference you effort is worth nothing but some in game credits. However if you are working towards the Musashi and get 600k free XP when it removed. you still have 600k free XP ready for the next free XP ship that replaces the Musashi. and i see no reason to worry to much if the ship will be any good. We have had 4 free XP ships  Missouri(750k) Nelson (350K) Musashi(750k) and Kronstadt(750K) they are all good and powerful ships so there is no reason to believe the next ones wont be as well . 

 

I dont think it was ever wargaming intention for all players to get all these free XP ships.. after all if it was easy it would defeat the hole object of the ships. But it is possible I have them all as i do. Yes i do play to much but i also have  2,6 million free XP at the moment. So its reasonable to say a player with half my games and playing Prem time could have all the Free XP ships available if they have been in the game when theses ships were available. You with 3.6k games could easly have enough free XP for 1 or 2 of the ships. 

 

Wargaiming is more generous than most games i know with the free prem content (ships) they give us. We seem to have 2 coming up Xmas and new year (tier III and VI). 

and

In the last year or so we had the choice of

Cossack

Warspite

Gallant

Aigle

as well as being able to work towards many Coal and free XP ships that were on offer

and it would not surprise me if i have mist some here

 

 

[Juanx]

10 hours ago, Fonfalks said:

Worst thing by far in this game and why i would never ever recommend it to anyone is player base. IT IS OUTRAGEOUS STUPID AND i could use many many many many other words about it, but you get the picture. This game has brought me so much psychological suffering, anger, rage, i can not describe it with words. 

WHY THE HELL ARE PEOPLE SO DUMB????????????????????????????????

Yeah, i would never recommend this game to anyone, ever. 

 

Seek help, you have issues and its not the game.

[Captain_Singleton]

@T0byJug that's a whole lot of hole's 

[T0byJug]

2 hours ago, CptBarney said:

yes but they said that about a lot of things didn't they? i mean they said the mutant would be exclusive (never owned one just a point) and yet they still sold it for a day regardless. Similiar to other premiums or things that wouldn't be making a comeback.

 

frankly i trust this company as far as i throw them which is not at all.

Mutant? whats the Mutant?

[NothingButTheRain]

3 hours ago, T0byJug said:

Removed free XP ships have always be Replaced in the past  with new ones

 

I wonder which FXP ship will be replacing Musashi though 

It's not even certain Alaska will replace Kronstadt, though I'm assuming that it will.

[Bigglesof120]

Thanks for the tip Verblonde,

although my playing of lights is probably best described as execrable - I shouldn't be encouraged! 

 

In game rage is a sign that you need to step back and realign your approach - if you cannot control it you need to leave the game, as it's continuing to damage you mentally. Raging at other players is about the least productive activity there is - your own blood pressure goes up, the idea of 'relaxing' with a game is shot, and you wont get the target of your rage to change anyway - and to be honest being frequently convinced you are the only one with the right idea of how to play says rather a lot about your own self esteem being less than ideal.

 

People do stupid stuff in battle, I do stupid things, (in my case it's mainly that I end up fighting 1 v 3 while my team all hide in a corner, aggression seems to be a dying art) So what? You cannot change it,  unless WG start filtering players by ability you've had it - to be honest I wish they would run  a separate matching route for those who get too upset, stick all the 'you idiots need to ltp' guys in teams with each other and leave us quiet types to go suicide against each other in peace.

 

Don't rage - if you can;t help raging step back, take a break at least, you're harming yourself.

 

Dave

 

 

[_DeathWing_]

It's more like money grabbing at this point. Cuz those who don't have Kronshtadt/Musashi and not even close to Kronshtadt/Musashi... pay like 100 quid for 30000 doubloons to exchange for free exp. 

[Major_Damage225]

40 minutes ago, NothingButTheRain said:

I wonder which FXP ship will be replacing Musashi though 

It's not even certain Alaska will replace Kronstadt, though I'm assuming that it will.

Im pretty sure Mushisushi's replacment is already here in JB (no not whisky) 

[_DeathWing_]

25 minutes ago, _DeathWing_ said:

It's more like money grabbing at this point. Cuz those who don't have Kronshtadt/Musashi and not even close to Kronshtadt/Musashi... pay like 100 quid for 30000 doubloons to exchange for free exp. 

 

Also

[Panocek]

3 hours ago, T0byJug said:

Mutant? whats the Mutant?

 

Tonk obtainable as "heavy preorder package", specified to not appear ever in sale. Then WG went WG

[T0byJug]

1 hour ago, NothingButTheRain said:

I wonder which FXP ship will be replacing Musashi though 

It's not even certain Alaska will replace Kronstadt, though I'm assuming that it will.

Read my post and the link to the other thread on the forum.. 

 

There are some ships in testing but as a Supertester I cant say any more. and any way i dont now how they will be purchased..

 

Remeber a Free XP ship is a Free XP ship... there is no reason why if the current free XP ships are a BB and a CA that the next cant be a DD and aCV

[NothingButTheRain]

36 minutes ago, Major_Damage225 said:

Im pretty sure Mushisushi's replacment is already here in JB (no not whisky) 

 

1 hour ago, NothingButTheRain said:

FXP ship

JB isn't a FXP ship though

[T0byJug]

4 minutes ago, Panocek said:

 

Tonk obtainable as "heavy preorder package", specified to not appear ever in sale. Then WG went WG

OK but it was after like 6 years... and if i remember you did not buy the tank you bought a shed load of Doubloons and got the tank for free..  (but i may be wrong on this) ok semantics 

[Verblonde]

6 hours ago, T0byJug said:

Not really.. As it was stated when the Musashi was added it would not be around for ever. But we would be given plenty of time to get the ship.

I may be being a bit cynical/unkind, but I got the distinct impression that MO's removal was driven by a perceived necessity, so any increase in spend to convert xp would have been a bonus to WG.

 

Having seen what happened though, they would have to be pretty incompetent not to try and recreate that situation periodically - hence Kron and Musashi (and, I'm guessing, there will be a similar situation in twelve months' time).

 

I should perhaps make it clear: I don't feel aggrieved by this at all; the ships being pulled were plenty straightforward for players to get without paying money in the timeframe they were/are available (even I got Musashi!), if they put the legwork in, and for those too time-poor, having a financial option available (assuming you have the xp to convert) is sporting. If it helps keep the lights on/server hamsters fed, I'm all for it.

[Verblonde]

10 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

OK but it was after like 6 years... and if i remember you did not buy the tank you bought a shed load of Doubloons and got the tank for free..  (but i may be wrong on this) ok semantics 

That's all true; I think what annoyed people (recalling the epic sense-of-humour-failure a lot of people had on the forums) was that they felt that WG had promised them exclusivity in perpetuity, and were now changing their minds.

 

Once it became clear that there was an issue, WG produced (I think) a unique skin for the original owners, so it was obvious who the original supporters of the game were, which calmed at least some people down.

 

I wasn't an original Mutant owner, and didn't buy the re-release either (I don't need one - I have T34 for US training, and the 252U is a better silver earner), so I'm not invested in the row myself, but it strikes me that the sensible thing for WG to have done would have been to produce a clone of the Mutant (called something else, a la Tirpitz and Tirpitz B) and sell the clone, probably making it visually distinct somehow...

[T0byJug]

1 minute ago, Verblonde said:

I may be being a bit cynical/unkind, but I got the distinct impression that MO's removal was driven by a perceived necessity, so any increase in spend to convert xp would have been a bonus to WG.

 

Having seen what happened though, they would have to be pretty incompetent not to try and recreate that situation periodically - hence Kron and Musashi (and, I'm guessing, there will be a similar situation in twelve months' time).

 

I should perhaps make it clear: I don't feel aggrieved by this at all; the ships being pulled were plenty straightforward for players to get without paying money in the timeframe they were/are available (even I got Musashi!), if they put the legwork in, and for those too time-poor, having a financial option available (assuming you have the xp to convert) is sporting. If it helps keep the lights on/server hamsters fed, I'm all for it.

Ok its easy for me to agree as i play to much and have every ship we could ever get for free...

 

But i dont see an issue if they have ships only for limited times as a kind of status to how long a player has been in the game...

[Verblonde]

1 minute ago, T0byJug said:

Ok its easy for me to agree as i play to much and have every ship we could ever get for free...

 

But i dont see an issue if they have ships only for limited times as a kind of status to how long a player has been in the game...

Whilst I probably play more than I should, I don't spend days on end in the game; if I can get Musashi for coal (with a lot of time to spare), the difficulty of getting her before she goes is probably reasonable, or possibly slightly too easy!

 

I don't either; for similar reasons, I don't object to special ships that you can only get for doing magnificently in CW (say), even though I personally have zero chance of getting any such ships.