A bit odd total lose of game control hack

[DasTongle]

On 11/24/2018 at 11:32 PM, kennydbt said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLI-d1-F_6A&feature=youtu.be

 

replay done and youtube for you

Normal game play, recommending to zoom in and out with the shift Key as half zoomed in looking at the water can turn your camera arround. Gameplaywise the whole push was questionable as you where the sole CA that had pushed up and you would be dead to torpedoes anyway cause you got greedy for the Destroyer.

There is no hack going on only nervous clicking.

Your matchmaking theories are interessting but after what games i lost this weekend with "superior on Paper" teams i can assure you no number is displaying how retarded peopel can act therefore voiding any chance of victory by camping borders and islands like we play said world of tanks game.

Take that experience and move on. Considder to play the baltimore to her strenghts and don't push headlong into the enemy on a flank where you have seen not much.

[orzel286]

On 11/25/2018 at 12:12 AM, kennydbt said:

No i am use a LAN connection. 

To play a game that requires WAN, now that's some STRONK HAX!

[kennydbt]

Alle 27/11/2018 alle 01:36, RegularLogic ha scritto:

It's a bug. Happens occasionally when you RMB and the camera thinks you're looking at a section of water which you've just moved past... there's other silly things like this in the game. Next time you're at a loose end in a game, try and do this enough to get the camera inverted :3

LOL how many time do I have tell i did no use RMB and why would when i had zoom in to fire shezz people read the posts.

 

Alle 27/11/2018 alle 07:46, Gleb_Reawer ha scritto:

Did you even read your own links? This is from the first:

"That stupid patent was filed by somebody on PC a long time ago and never implemented (Referring to a WG patent that influenced the matchmaker to keep players at around a 50% win rate)."

 

On WoT forums this was discussed ad infinitum (after they vised up and stopped deleting the post) and ppl found at least 3 mutually exclusive ways for MM to work in the patent. Subsequent testing all pointed to the "Random MM" being used, I.E. no buffs to your vehicle for poor play, nor any guaranteed top tier game after x number of down-tiered games. (IIRC these were the 3 major conflicting proposals in the MM patent)

 

Do you know why companies do this, especially in the US? They do it because there is a business practice of making patents on parts of existing technology/IP and then using that patent to extort money from the company that originally made the product. These kind of firms are known as patent trolls or patent hoarders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_troll

 

And no, a banned mod is not the same as hacking the server. Try as you might you can't mod your tank/ship to have 100% accuracy or x10 more armour than what the game tells. Sure you can make your game UI show you this, but when you try to actually use any said features the server will just go "lol, nope and use the server-side data" and most likely tag you for the next ban wave.

Hell you could write a mod that shows that you have 10 mil on your bank acc, you really think the servers in the bank are going to believe what your PC is trying to tell them or check their own data and deny that money transfer to Panama?

 

Know all those fancy hack vids? Most are post production I.E. the game was played first, then the hack superimposed on top of the footage, sometimes it's straight out BS like "add gold, unlock all ships" and sometimes game mechanics shown off as hacks, like DD getting hit with 6+ torps in the aft, and yet not dying <- tho this has now been fixed by having the torpedo do 10% of max damage to a depleted section.

 

If someone were to actually hack WG servers all this would do is leave a huge red flag pointing to the hackers client. Also, because all tanks/ships specs are saved server-side(this is why you can't have that sweet 100% acc) any modification to those files would make all selected tanks/ships have the same hack applied to them. This means that if what you experienced was a hack, then at least all Baltimores in any and all active games would have had that camera twitch at the exact same moment. So if hacking was that easy, download a script, press a button and enemy is unable to fight, why limit it to only one ship type, why not have the entire enemy team(and some allies) get seasick behind their computer screens?

So why did wargaming.net  keep deleting the patent post and why did so many players think it started all of a sudden. 

If they where not hiding and denying the facts all the time. Even to the point of a lot of players saying the patent was not made by them.

Yes somebody did patent and implemented 

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, kennydbt said:

Yes somebody did patent and implemented 

Then why do we have players from sub 40 WR to over 70 WR?

[_ReWinD_]

"why did so many players think it started [...]"*edited*..just because some ppl THINK it is, it does not mean it is like that...there are a lot of idiots thinking the earth is flat (and they started that in a very short amount of time, numbes increasing very fast) but that does not mean it is truth, just because they think and say that...wtf is this argument -.-

[Uglesett]

On 11/25/2018 at 12:12 AM, kennydbt said:

No i am use a LAN connection. 

I think this says everything it needs to about your knowledge of multiplayer gaming and network functionality. Unless you are quite literally gaming from inside WGs server hosting facility, you are definitely not playing over a LAN connection. And your Internet service provider and/or any one of the numerous other companies involved in routing traffic between your home and the WG server hosting facility can and will occasionally have hiccups in their network.

 

That said, let's for the sake of experiment say this is some evil haxx0r wreaking havoc on your pc. What would it require?

 

First, he would need to know your ip address. That's kind of difficult to find out, since all communication happens between the individual player's computer and the server. There is no peer-to-peer communication that would allow someone to find the ip-addresses of other players.

 

Now, assuming our evil haxx0r somehow finds your ip address through... I don't know, magic or something. He could always be an evil sorcerer as well, I guess. The easiest thing to do would be to overload your connection (I.E. a denial-of-service attack, flooding your connection with useless data). However, that tends to give other symptoms more similar to packet loss, like rubberbanding.

 

In order to take over control of your camera in the client, he'd actually have to install some form of remote access tool on your PC, which is generally pretty difficult. Usually, the way to do that is to get the PC's owner to inadvertently do it themselves by visiting dubious websites or clicking links they shouldn't. Actually forcing access to a modern PC from the outside is... not really possible.

 

So which is the most likely scenario:

 

1) A haxx0r, mid game, takes the extensive time it would require to somehow locate your PC, uses NSA-level tools to force access to your PC and remote access your game client only to... mess with your camera for a few seconds?

 

2) A haxx0r has somehow infiltrated the WG server park and installed their own tools on it that allow them to manipulate the game state of other players (however, I don't think view angle is a server state, I suspect that's client side only).

 

or

 

3) Someone in the development team (or the guy coding your eyesore of a mod) b0rked some part of the camera coding and there's a bug in it that occasionally causes the view angle to shift unexpectedly.

[DasTongle]

1 & 2 Obviously cause i read it on the Internets....

Excuse the Sarcasm but yes Uglesett has a vary valid point with the Connection from the Client ot the Server. 

Also MODs can cause this to the Camera can get borky very quickly.

I'd also point out that an edinburgh needs a lot more time to screw you over that doesn't change that you gave him a broadside to shoot at to take you out quickly.... wasd ftw.

[Gleb_Reawer]

5 hours ago, kennydbt said:

So why did wargaming.net  keep deleting the patent post and why did so many players think it started all of a sudden. 

If they where not hiding and denying the facts all the time. Even to the point of a lot of players saying the patent was not made by them.

Yes somebody did patent and implemented 

You have to excuse me on this one as it has been several years since Silent Stalker started his threads on WoT EU forum. You'll have to ask him(you do know how he is, right?) and why he insinuated such tings and WG for why they kept deleting the posts even tho the patent was freely available to anyone interested.

 

OFC someone did a patent on a MM, otherwise there would be no patent to read. Implementing? I see no reason to believe that any other part than Random MM has been implemented from the patent. You are free to prove otherwise, but this thread wasn't about conspiracy theories or patents and patent law, so please do it in another thread.

 

OT:

I think @Uglesett put it very well. Pick 1, 2 or 3. One of those has to be the truth, tho I'll give you a hint. If I was able to hack WG servers, it wouldn't be enemy view angles I'd be hacking, oh, no. I can easily think of half a dozen more cruel/profitable things to do 

[kennydbt]

Alle 27/11/2018 alle 10:48, Uglesett ha scritto:

I think this says everything it needs to about your knowledge of multiplayer gaming and network functionality. Unless you are quite literally gaming from inside WGs server hosting facility, you are definitely not playing over a LAN connection. And your Internet service provider and/or any one of the numerous other companies involved in routing traffic between your home and the WG server hosting facility can and will occasionally have hiccups in their network.

 

I think this say everything any needs to know about your knowledge of Network functionality and logic. 

Who on earth would think that saying i was playing a LAN connections meant I was on local area network to the WOWS servers pmsl. 

If you read the posts you seen i was answer a question asked by wilkatis_LV    "Maybe playing through wifi?" 

I think most player could work this one out. hit for you Home networking 

 

I had a look and guess what I finding it very hard to find much on the RMB zooming turning your view 180, odd that! There one post about 6 days old that is it. Goolge not much help. 

 

I look at the video i posted and then made a second one. 

 

https://youtu.be/2Mt6Vb_ZGNo

 

In my fist video you can see me zoom in the out and do the 180 dances. BUT the FREE LOOK text does not pop up on the screen.

I think this odd as every time I have tried it after I not had the bug and every time I get the FRRE LOOK text. As in my second video.

 

What is the betting that someone will now say that, that is part of the BUG.

That it is hard to find much info on. Odd if a know bug you think there would be more info about it.

 

Why would post be delete? A  post i made that look at both sides  was deleted well. They do not want player to know it happening for one.

 

As for no reason to believe that it was not implemented well 1000’s of players would say it was and still is. Just play a few games with XVM installed and your see that you on a red team and the other team is green.  “ you have to tweet the mod to show it well”

There will always be play with good win/lose rate any number of reasons from employees to fanboys.

 

A mod or a hack the difference is not that big.

Why do they not use hack that have a must better impact? Well for one they do not want them found out. AIMBOT work and do not have to hack their server as it all done client side.

 

As for knowing my IP address is easy to work out there are a number of client size tools that will help you with this. Some work better on differing games than others. I did not even need to google this to know. Try looking for yourself.

So it would not be that hard to run a sideload with the tools and hack loaded ready to go. Easy one would to just do a Do S attack to force the player to lag and or drop his connection to the server.

 

 

[RobS80]

Tinfoil hat may be a little bit tight there.

[ShinGetsu]

When in doubt, just ask the right guy. He got the answer.

 

[orzel286]

2 hours ago, kennydbt said:

I think this say everything any needs to know about your knowledge of Network functionality and logic. 

Who on earth would think that saying i was playing a LAN connections meant I was on local area network to the WOWS servers pmsl. 

If you read the posts you seen i was answer a question asked by wilkatis_LV    "Maybe playing through wifi?" 

I think most player could work this one out. hit for you Home networking 

WE'RE HITTING DUNNING-KRUGER LEVELS THAT SHOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE LADS

 

[RegularLogic]

16 hours ago, kennydbt said:

LOL how many time do I have tell i did no use RMB and why would when i had zoom in to fire shezz people read the posts.

Well, we're telling you one thing, and you're telling us another... I think you must have bumped your mouse into something and flipped the aim. Either this happened or you zoomed in and the camera clipped something which was present behind you.

[Gleb_Reawer]

 I give up, where is @SkybuckFlying when you need him?

 

Oh, on vacation? Fine here have this.

 

[NickMustaine]

Hi guys, 

 

I have removed some posts due to non-constructive content.

 

See you soon! :) 

[RAHJAILARI]

On 11/24/2018 at 7:07 PM, kennydbt said:

Hi all, the other day I playing a way when poof I lost control of my ship and the ships view. I just killed one ship zoomed in on an other then my view turned 180 in no time and then did a few more turns before i got killed as i got control back. 

Look like the Edinburgh is hacking to me I remember this hack from my old days of  playing counter strike, look like it made in it to WOWS now. 

The replay file and a video of it happening.

Hacking is just like magic eh? Probably also curdled the milk, withered the manhood and grew warts all over the neighbor's pretty daughter face...

BURN THE WITCH!!! 

[Naesil]

This is very impressive tin foil hat stuff :D we haven't had this much in long time, thanks OP for making my boring workday more enjoyable

 

I have had my camera spin 180 so many times that it's just reflex to rotate it back now, the effect of this is very minimal in this slow paced game.. I have also lost control of my ship several times, either network hiccup or WG server hamster running slow.

[kennydbt]

19 hours ago, RegularLogic said:

Well, we're telling you one thing, and you're telling us another... I think you must have bumped your mouse into something and flipped the aim. Either this happened or you zoomed in and the camera clipped something which was present behind you.

That an new one camera clipped something which was present behind me.

Nope nothing found on that bug after looking. 

 

As I said above IF it was a bumped mouse button it would of said free look but it does not. 

 

[kennydbt]

8 hours ago, Naesil said:

This is very impressive tin foil hat stuff :D we haven't had this much in long time, thanks OP for making my boring workday more enjoyable

 

I have had my camera spin 180 so many times that it's just reflex to rotate it back now, the effect of this is very minimal in this slow paced game.. I have also lost control of my ship several times, either network hiccup or WG server hamster running slow.

So you only a 180 and then have full control back right?

[kennydbt]

On 11/27/2018 at 8:48 AM, Uglesett said:

 

3) Someone in the development team (or the guy coding your eyesore of a mod) b0rked some part of the camera coding and there's a bug in it that occasionally causes the view angle to shift unexpectedly.

3. Is a possibility, it must be in last few patches. As I said before there no information out there about this bug.

3.1 Someone has worked out to force the bug to happen on a differing clients PC.

4. someone has worked there is Debug mode. How to get it work.

4.1 There a command list we do not know about used for in house testing.

 

I do not think it a bug that just happens, timing is just too good for it to be bug.

Come on think about a bug that changes your view 180 and 90 then 180, Also stops you from any control of your ship for a few seconds. All at the same time!

 

People are thinking that in order to affect a player’s client they have to have control of the clients pc, this is not always the case.

 

A lot will depend on what information is sent over the to servers and what the servers send back to the game client.

 

Just look at the new game mode we have. What consumables it there not one that stop all your consumables to working?

That is possible way in right there.

 

 

[Igarigen]

2 hours ago, kennydbt said:

3. Is a possibility, it must be in last few patches. As I said before there no information out there about this bug.

3.1 Someone has worked out to force the bug to happen on a differing clients PC.

4. someone has worked there is Debug mode. How to get it work.

4.1 There a command list we do not know about used for in house testing.

 

I do not think it a bug that just happens, timing is just too good for it to be bug.

Come on think about a bug that changes your view 180 and 90 then 180, Also stops you from any control of your ship for a few seconds. All at the same time!

 

People are thinking that in order to affect a player’s client they have to have control of the clients pc, this is not always the case.

 

A lot will depend on what information is sent over the to servers and what the servers send back to the game client.

 

Just look at the new game mode we have. What consumables it there not one that stop all your consumables to working?

That is possible way in right there.

 

 

Funny how you have no idea about the things you trying to talk about.

 

Edit: Its just a Bug, thats all.

Edit2: Bugs allways have a bad timing.

[Uglesett]

Somewhere, William of Ockham is spinning in his grave.

[PedeNuts]

1 hour ago, Uglesett said:

Somewhere, William of Ockham is spinning in his grave.

[kennydbt]

23 hours ago, Igarigen said:

Funny how you have no idea about the things you trying to talk about.

 

Edit: Its just a Bug, thats all.

Edit2: Bugs allways have a bad timing.