USS New York, really?

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11 hours ago, almitov said:

You can slot range upgrade on it, though to be effective you need to be closer. As for your question for the next two tiers - yes, they are slow AF too.

NM is great due to very good concealment, workable AA and the total amount of guns. Also feels a lot more accurate (though it doesn't break any records).

Colorado... nobody talks about it  If it's top tier, you will mostly do over-penetrations due to the high gun caliber. Mid and bottom tier - you are food. Accuracy reminds me of Wyoming  One needs to endure it to get to the really good USN ships.

NM's concealment basically is its only saving grace. And unlike a Giulio or such, you don't have the speed to leverage it much. The guns are many, but reload slow and also are inaccurate. If they seem accurate, then because with 12 guns you always hit at least 1-2.

Colorado meanwhile I also must disagree. The guns can do pretty solid damage and are accurate comparable to Nagato. It's relatively often top tier, though indeed, it is among the worse T7s to get thrown into a T9 match. It can manage though. Imo, Colorado is far more powerful tier for tier than its two predecessors. Colorado at least can punch holes into angled peers, the other two can only derp around.

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8 hours ago, Riselotte said:

NM's concealment basically is its only saving grace. And unlike a Giulio or such, you don't have the speed to leverage it much. The guns are many, but reload slow and also are inaccurate. If they seem accurate, then because with 12 guns you always hit at least 1-2.

I tend to play very aggressive in almost any ship. With NM concealment allows me to get very close to the enemy (I usually fire at about 12km while still closing up the distance). An unsuspecting enemy caught broadside at 12km has very little time to react - cruisers just pop, BBs take lots of damage. You say only 1-2 shells per salvo hit, but my experience in the ship is very different. With NM like most USN BBs, the spread is wide but not high. Shooting at a broadside is deadly. Shooting at a bow does nothing (even if you can overmatch it) as then you will indeed score 1-2 hits only. Not comparing it to Giulio - I don't have this ship.

 

8 hours ago, Riselotte said:

Colorado meanwhile I also must disagree.

Agree to disagree, then.

 

My opinion on those ships is based on the results I got:

 

Yes, USN BB line was the first ship tree I researched and I was still learning when I played the Colorado. Also the MM can be a bit more favorable for T7 right now. However, I would not recommend this ship in good conscience.

Nagato was alright - fast, hard-hitting, decent armor...

Gneisenau was definitely a ship I didn't like (6 guns, horrible accuracy). Otherwise really fast, has torps and great AA.

KGV is really squishy but dangerous and fast. RN HE - 'nuff said.

However, Colorado is the most painful experience that I've had in a BB. As slow as its predecessors, but plays mostly on larger maps and vs faster ships, high caliber guns with less shells per salvo and high dispersion (not as bad as KM BBs though), slow turret rotation makes close range encounters tricky as well.

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4 hours ago, almitov said:

My opinion on those ships is based on the results I got:

A few days old, so got a few more games in Colorado (though no great change in stats):

Sample sizes may be small, but I really can't be bothered to play New York or New Mexico beyond the necessary exp to get the next ship. As said before, New Mexico was a painful experience, as you can blap some cruisers, but when you deal with a BB that angles against you, there's so little you can do. Colorado might have fewer large guns, but they just have the punch to deal with ships.

4 hours ago, almitov said:

I tend to play very aggressive in almost any ship. With NM concealment allows me to get very close to the enemy (I usually fire at about 12km while still closing up the distance). An unsuspecting enemy caught broadside at 12km has very little time to react - cruisers just pop, BBs take lots of damage. You say only 1-2 shells per salvo hit, but my experience in the ship is very different. With NM like most USN BBs, the spread is wide but not high. Shooting at a broadside is deadly. Shooting at a bow does nothing (even if you can overmatch it) as then you will indeed score 1-2 hits only. Not comparing it to Giulio - I don't have this ship.

I think one key issue to me is that New Mexico lacks overmatch, has 21 knots and gets thrown into matches were it is mid or bottom tier most of the time. In such an environment, I don't camp in the back, but I'm hesitant to push too far, because getting out can be hard and if you get stuck in a match against a ship that can overmatch you, you might just get pummeled to death. With Colorado, it's easier to pick such fights, because it's a more even matchup as you are typically top tier too.

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18 hours ago, Riselotte said:

A few days old, so got a few more games in Colorado (...)

You obviously played it a lot better than me, then.

 

18 hours ago, Riselotte said:

(...) because it's a more even matchup as you are typically top tier too.

This definitely was not the case when I played this ship (a few years ago). I was constantly matched against T8 and/or T9 ships and played on the corresponding maps for them (a lot bigger than what you typically see in T5-T7 maps). Everything I faced was capable of both outgunning me and outrunning me.

 

 

As for the NM and getting overmatched - this was never a concern for me. I only view the Warspite as a deterrent as it has good enough accuracy to consistently hit my bow/stern. The good firing angles and total amount of guns have always been something that I love about this ship. I don't know however how it fares vs DDs now after the latest changes. Previously I just obliterated any DDs that got spotted nearby, but now... Idk.

In Montana I see a significant problem when a DD rushes me now vs before for example - now it always survives and makes my life miserable. Before I would just f@rt in its general direction and it would blow up... 

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8 hours ago, almitov said:

You obviously played it a lot better than me, then.

 

This definitely was not the case when I played this ship (a few years ago). I was constantly matched against T8 and/or T9 ships and played on the corresponding maps for them (a lot bigger than what you typically see in T5-T7 maps). Everything I faced was capable of both outgunning me and outrunning me.

 

 

As for the NM and getting overmatched - this was never a concern for me. I only view the Warspite as a deterrent as it has good enough accuracy to consistently hit my bow/stern. The good firing angles and total amount of guns have always been something that I love about this ship. I don't know however how it fares vs DDs now after the latest changes. Previously I just obliterated any DDs that got spotted nearby, but now... Idk.

In Montana I see a significant problem when a DD rushes me now vs before for example - now it always survives and makes my life miserable. Before I would just f@rt in its general direction and it would blow up... 

Tbh, the only times I remembered getting rushed by a DD before at high tier was when a Shima outran my main turrets in Yamato (and got utterly wrecked by the secondaries though I ate the torps and died too) and when a Shima ran head on into my Kurfürst, torped me to death, then got obliterated by my team (back then I just hated how that player likely thought he was having a great game getting 105k damage for once, though he basically traded his ship). Nothing the change would affect. Meanwhile only rushes I had post-change was in Colorado by some Mahan, which hit me once, but I managed to kill it by one salvo AP, then one HE. And if I manage in Colorado, I'm confident in other ships.

 

Then again, USN might be the only nation where I might be genuinely worried, because on Germans I run secondary builds, on RN and IJN the HE alpha is enough and French I don't yet play.