Aircraft Carrier: Changes to Tech Trees, Upgrades and Commander Skills - Discussion Thread

[Jean_Bart]

5 hours ago, The_EURL_Guy said:

How will Aircraft Carriers be changing?

 

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[hgbn_dk]

Am I the only one who wouldn't be surprised If every removed odd tier will return as premium ships???

[MrWastee]

... every ressource catered, xcept for elite commander xp (did spend a lot on cv captns... all useless now!)..... GIMME MY ELITE COMMANDER XP BACK....

 

dang, dont wanna spam... but that sheet really makes me a bit of angry beyond any popcorn ...

[ShuggieHamster]

more interested in how to trade in all my cvs and get their entire value back ... and if you could reset all my cv captains as well. ta

[qkarl]

They do not interest me: doubloons, repayments, compensation. I close the game and it all ends. And I'm not a free player but I consistently contribute to Wargaming. It was not a problem to buy the permanent camo of Hakuryu, Taiho, Midway and Premium Saipan. It will not be a problem not to play. I have a considerable number of ships: how much did I spend? I do not know. And I do not want to talk about the premium account. You will continue on your way, I will be on my way. There are thousands of games. Steam teaches.

 

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/profile/529637465-qkarl/?tab=field_core_pfield_12

[Easha]

I never played a CV and will therefore only complain about the part I have actual knowledge of:

 

With these changes regarding Captain skills the Neptune will become completely obsolete.

The only reason to use Neptune beyonf the grind to Minotaur was the manual AA Captain skill which effected her midrange AA as well. With the new manual AA skill this advantage will be naught and so will be the reason to use a Neptune. It is incredibly fun shredding planes to dust with a full AA specialized Neptune and makes you forget about her unpleasantly bigger dimensions and worse concealment compared to the other British cruisers. After this change, the Neptune will just be one of many cruisers regarding her AA, but keeps all those disadvantages. But the worst of all: She will just become boring when you cut her only special trait.

 

Dear Wargaming, it would be great if you would not stop thinking at the end of the flight decks of the CVs, but keep all the consequences of your changes in mind.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

Easha

[Aotearas]

You know what, at this point I don't even.

 

How would this even work with MM? Is it +/-3 for CVs then? Or will this usher in a new era of CV division anchoring or fail divisions alternatively?

[ValerioWTF]

My god…...

I have no words, seriously.

 

Gg, wp.

 

[Zemeritt]

4 hours ago, Tuccy said:

One step at a time :) Let's first make sure it works before adding more ships ;)

 

Amazing that this all you have to say

19 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

How would this even work with MM? Is it +/-3 for CVs then? Or will this usher in a new era of CV division anchoring or fail divisions alternatively?

I seriously doubt WG did even thought about that.

[TheKingOfUm]

Huh. I kinda liked the rework when I got to test it. I was (and still am) looking forward to trying the finished product. But why do you invest all those resources into the rework, only to remove one third of the ships affected by it? I'd love to hear the real reason behind this. And don't tell me it's because of a "more dramatic increase in effectiveness". If you subscribe to that logic, you could just remove tiers V to IX completely and go from Langley straight to Midway. Even more dramatic increase!

 

I'm worried that climbing the ladder two steps at a time is going to be really rough, especially for new players. If it's a temporary measure to allow for better matchmaking in the early period of the rework being on the live server and later the full tree will be back, fine. But if it's going to stay like that... hm.

[TicoXotaR]

6 hours ago, Striker2523 said:

I speak as one who has grinded through both tech trees and someone who has defended the rework but this i can not unfortuantly let slide. I dont agree with the removal of every odd numbered CV especially as some of my favorite CV's are the odd numbered ones like Hiryuu, and taiho if anything i feel this is going to ruin the CV's as it will not feel like your actually progressing in the tech trees. If you increase the amount of time your forced to grind one boat then you will get bored with it and stop wanting to play it. i am also not pleased with the fact that you guys are removing ships the Wargamming team has put a lot of time and effort into creating including the two t8 premiums Enterprise and Graf Zepllin. If anythign you guys have just super limited CV's which will in my honest opinion Shrink the amount of CV players even further not increase it as you planned. So im sorry but in my honest opinion Removing Content from a line is a horrible horrible idea Please reconsider the decision to remove ships from the game or in my opinion you will lose the complete faith of your community.

I couldn't agree more. I've completed the US CV line and i'm on Tier 8 on the IJN CV line. It took me a long time to grind and i'm still enjoying them. I feel like the hard work we put to grinding these carriers will be completely wasted by this CV Rework. 

[micu10939]

This is probably my first comment on this forum, sorry for my english.

 

I'm playing this game since open beta, have above 8k battles and I'm rather good player. In terms of CV's I have reached both T8, unlocked T9 but don't bought them... I'm not as good at RTS to play them on those tiers, but that's fine. I don't have problem with that, nor with RTS style, it's unique and fit very well to CV's. I was waiting to see first concepts of CV rework, was hopeing for some changes that was proposed on forums, had my own expectations... and you know what? When I saw this new style I was very dissapointed, borderline with angry as f**k! This is not fun, not even half challenging as RTS, even more frustrating for other players and it's not even CV gameplay. But OK, I've realized that most of community is rather positive about it and that you, dear WG, will most likely continue this idea... and that there is no way to stop it. Sad but true :( I haven't even try to stop it, cause it was pointless, I didn't participate in tests of CV's, it's just not for me. I'm really considering to stop playing WoWs if this rework finally hit liveservers, even thou I was always laughing at people saying that things :D

 

Now today I have read this article and was in deep shock... I still probably am. I even get through all comments in this topic and was surprise how almost all of us agree that this is GARBAGE! Most of what I'm about to pointout was already written. First of all, dear WG, you didn't even say a single word about controling CV... the thing that was the most anticipated since you showned us rework. I have no idea why you keep ingnoring this aspect. Secondly, The thing about compensation, I don't really get it, don;t have premium CV's but I for sure will get rid of my CV's and I want to get something back... but it's not clear what I will get :/

 

Last but not least, removing CV form techtree... omfg! Your explanation isn't even serious, I think you have a lot of fun while writning it :/ so, dear WG, you are basicly removing half of in game CV's just because what?they don't fit new gameplay??? Are you serious??? One of big plus of WoWs is ability to collecting ships, especially those historical. And because of that, you are getting rid of historic CVs, that are really popular. This is just sad and annoying. Don't even wanna know how painfull will be grinding for two tiers... holly sh*t!!!

 

I don't wanna writing more... Maybe I have a butthurt, maybe I'm that whining one, who doesn't like anything new and so on. But for me CVs will be gone and that hurt, and will hurt this game hard. IMO WoWs need this class, but not in this proposing form. So, WG, I'm curious when and IF you are going to adress our voice and maybe think once again about whole rework... yesterday in Waterline you were very sure and convinced about this whole idea. Now you need to hear the voice of community, cause this is going in very worng direction!

 

Bye!

 

 

[TicoXotaR]

6 hours ago, Miragetank90 said:

100% against the removal of odd tiered CVs. Honestly I couldn't believe what I was reading. 

I couldn't believe it when i read it first time too. 

[TicoXotaR]

4 minutes ago, micu10939 said:

This is probably my first comment on this forum, sorry for my english.

 

I'm playing this game since open beta, have above 8k battles and I'm rather good player. In terms of CV's I have reached both T8, unlocked T9 but don't bought them... I'm not as good at RTS to play them on those tiers, but that's fine. I don't have problem with that, nor with RTS style, it's unique and fit very well to CV's. I was waiting to see first concepts of CV rework, was hopeing for some changes that was proposed on forums, had my own expectations... and you know what? When I saw this new style I was very dissapointed, borderline with angry as f**k! This is not fun, not even half challenging as RTS, even more frustrating for other players and it's not even CV gameplay. But OK, I've realized that most of community is rather positive about it and that you, dear WG, will most likely continue this idea... and that there is no way to stop it. Sad but true :( I haven't even try to stop it, cause it was pointless, I didn't participate in tests of CV's, it's just not for me. I'm really considering to stop playing WoWs if this rework finally hit liveservers, even thou I was always laughing at people saying that things :D

 

Now today I have read this article and was in deep shock... I still probably am. I even get through all comments in this topic and was surprise how almost all of us agree that this is GARBAGE! Most of what I'm about to pointout was already written. First of all, dear WG, you didn't even say a single word about controling CV... the thing that was the most anticipated since you showned us rework. I have no idea why you keep ingnoring this aspect. Secondly, The thing about compensation, I don't really get it, don;t have premium CV's but I for sure will get rid of my CV's and I want to get something back... but it's not clear what I will get :/

 

Last but not least, removing CV form techtree... omfg! Your explanation isn't even serious, I think you have a lot of fun while writning it :/ so, dear WG, you are basicly removing half of in game CV's just because what?they don't fit new gameplay??? Are you serious??? One of big plus of WoWs is ability to collecting ships, especially those historical. And because of that, you are getting rid of historic CVs, that are really popular. This is just sad and annoying. Don't even wanna know how painfull will be grinding for two tiers... holly sh*t!!!

 

I don't wanna writing more... Maybe I have a butthurt, maybe I'm that whining one, who doesn't like anything new and so on. But for me CVs will be gone and that hurt, and will hurt this game hard. IMO WoWs need this class, but not in this proposing form. So, WG, I'm curious when and IF you are going to adress our voice and maybe think once again about whole rework... yesterday in Waterline you were very sure and convinced about this whole idea. Now you need to hear the voice of community, cause this is going in very worng direction!

 

Bye!

 

 

Your not the only one in shock and is annoyed. I am too and so are many others who play Wows. I played the tests and it's not good at all.

[hgbn_dk]

Just a suggestion.... Lets say you can't upgrade the aircraft on the CV, only hull and stuff like it. That would make it possible to keep the odd tier in game. Since aircraft apparently is the culprit of the balance. I would really hate to see all those carriers removed.

[CptBarney]

So what happens to my independence? And instead of going to the ranger im guessing the lexington will be my next ship in line?

 

i dont understand the logic it’s almost like they cant be bothered.

 

waiting for e2lazer and his reply.

[TicoXotaR]

As a daily gamer on Wows, i've completed the US CV line and currently at Tier 8 on the JP CV line. I was in shock and absolute disbelief about WG's announcement over the CV Rework. Myself and my clan mates and all that have and play a CV in the game, Realise that they're unique ships to grind and to master. To have that experience and pleasure playing with them in matches suddenly taken away from the players, Will have a large impact on those who enjoy the current CV gameplay. 

 

I find the removal of the USS Bogue, Independence, Essex and the IJN Zuiho, Hiryu and the Taiho, to be completely unacceptable. Many players will either have it as an elite ship and it'll be taken away from them permanently. Or they're currently grinding those ships and then it'll be taken off them permanently. Or they may never get the chance to play these CV's and miss out on what unique ships they are in their respected CV lines. And before you say 'They'll be compensated' I get that. But the compensation that WG propose is not good enough and it's like WG do not take the CV's and us players seriously. 

 

I have participated in both rounds on the CV Rework tests and soon round 3 when it's released. There's little to no changes between the two tests and doubt there'll be any changes in the Third round either. The AA Barrage is too strong, even on enemy DD's, The planes are hard to maneuver and are shot down easily when approaching a target. You don't defend your bombers and players by engaging enemy fighters and bombers anymore, Instead you fly around the map with your bombers and attacking enemy ships whilst completely hopeless to defend your team from enemy bombers.  The current tactical gameplay when taken away will almost certainly ruin the new CV 'Tactical' gameplay.

 

My clan mate is currently grinding the USS Essex and will soon achieve the USS Midway. He likes the CV line and his favourite is the Independence, He's expressed similar views to my own and many others about this new CV Rework. Not only will the Essex grind feel like a complete waste of time, But the Independence will no longer be in his port and the same goes for me and many other players. I fear there will be little to no CV players on Co-op and Random battles when the Reworks settles into the game. 

 

Conclusion: I and many others completely disagree with the Reworked CV's, I 100% disapprove with the removal of Ships what WG have worked hard to make and put in the game to then be removed. I find the tests to be lacking and not fun at all. I and many others are sad by this CV rework's latest news. Ironicly, WG wanted to improve and get more people to play CV's, when in fact it'll cause the CV's inevitable downfall because less people will play them.

[Trickle]

While I very much dislike the gameplay changes, I absolutely hate the changes you are now planning.

 

Especially concerning my Saipan.  I want a full charge back on my back account. Handed the two announcements and the terms and conditions to my lawyer to go through.

I will not accept dubloons or any other kind of [edited] crap you come up with, when not only changing the game but deleting everything that was advertised when making this buy.

 

Here in the Western hemisphere we do call that SCAM!   You should learn that - I hope your bankruptcy is near and you all get unemployed for that EDIT you just produced.

[Danucu_Tigger]

I am not a good CV  player - grinded up to Ryujo (did enjoy and kept Zuiho) and I'm halfway through grinding Ranger. I have come to terms with CV gameplay, unpleasant and frustrating as it might be sometimes, and if I had a say I'd choose to be kept as it is, with some slight changes (no stacked squadrons!)

I feel that the new "flight simulator" dumbs the CV gameplay down and will upset many  (not exclusively carrier ) players.

 

In WG's defense, carriers were the odd ducks of the game and not really suited to small size tactical maps. For a change, I'd like to see the current CV gameplay (largely) retained as a CV Task Force WoW spin-off for carrier afficionados, with some CV micromanagement (deck cycles, wind direction, scouting by carrier aircraft and cruiser/BB floatplanes ), bigger maps (1000x1000km) and already existing ship models. Gameplay will probably be 1vs1 or 2vs2 at most and maybe turn-based between attacks. 

 

So, WG, what do you say? 

 

PS: should I grind / spend freeXp to get Lady Lex before the CV rework comes into effect?

[MasterofChaos]

CVs die for me with this patch.

[Striker2523]

22 minutes ago, Danucu_Tigger said:

I am not a good CV  player - grinded up to Ryujo (did enjoy and kept Zuiho) and I'm halfway through grinding Ranger. I have come to terms with CV gameplay, unpleasant and frustrating as it might be sometimes, and if I had a say I'd choose to be kept as it is, with some slight changes (no stacked squadrons!)

I feel that the new "flight simulator" dumbs the CV gameplay down and will upset many  (not exclusively carrier ) players.

 

In WG's defense, carriers were the odd ducks of the game and not really suited to small size tactical maps. For a change, I'd like to see the current CV gameplay (largely) retained as a CV Task Force WoW spin-off for carrier afficionados, with some CV micromanagement (deck cycles, wind direction, scouting by carrier aircraft and cruiser/BB floatplanes ), bigger maps (1000x1000km) and already existing ship models. Gameplay will probably be 1vs1 or 2vs2 at most and maybe turn-based between attacks. 

 

So, WG, what do you say? 

 

PS: should I grind / spend freeXp to get Lady Lex before the CV rework comes into effect?

 the problem is this mini carrier game off on its own will not work as there current RTS Total War just announced it will be shutting down in the beginning of 2019 so i highly doubt that this idea will be viable for only a couple hundred people. 

[Woelfchen]

No more Atlanta to form a useful Division with an Aircraft Carrier?

( Also applies to all other level 5, 7, and 9 ships. )

[Striker2523]

8 minutes ago, Woelfchen said:

No more Atlanta to form a useful Division with an Aircraft Carrier?

( Also applies to all other level 5, 7, and 9 ships. )

nope no more 

[Hippolyte_Lesaunier]

Well I don't pretend to be a top-notch player but still spent a lot of time on CVs... Of course removing content is awful and pretty much all the community says it, this is a point by itself. Also I know my history. CVs were DECISIVE during WWII. They proved BBs had no real use on open seas and that even the Yamato could do very little against naval aviation. Not to mention that the mighty, fresh-built Bismarck was disabled by a handful of "low tier", outdated (Swordfish) british biplanes. They shifted the balance.

It just doesn't make any sense. Or go a step further and include homing missles AA defense systems that shifted the balance again. Wouldn't be worse.
 

Or, as MightyJingles once said on YouTube, you just merge World of Warships & World of Warplanes together. THAT could be fun.

PS : you guys want to get back in control ? Just make a no-premium "strike". WG will do what you want in less than 10 days You are the customers. You have the money. You have the power.

[still_guns]

Removing all the odd tiered CV's is a very bad, very stupid idea.

 

Here's a question for you WG: What about Saipan and Kaga? They're tier 7