Aircraft Carrier: Changes to Tech Trees, Upgrades and Commander Skills - Discussion Thread

[HatsuzukiKaiNi]

Oh great, a bunch of historically significant ships are being stripped away and you're ignroing the one thing mentioned above all others from the CV test; the ability to switch between squadrons and carriers.

 

There goes Hiryuu and Taiho, with the only endgame japanese CV representation being the fake Hakuruyu. Both of those were ships I was rather fond, had perma camos for and was hoping to play in the new system, this is a bloody stupid change. I was actually sort of looking forward to the rework and had been enjoying testing it. Not to mention it means you'll be stuck in the same damn ship for longer while grinding, not a fan of this in the slightest. Removing half the damn line because the balancing will take work is lazy as hell. Making it feel more impactful as you progress feels like EAs sense of pride and accomplishment, lazy and badly thought out, though I suppose at the very least you don't have to pay to win in this.

 

Better remove the tier five cruisers too, after all, they have a pain with matchmaking and balance as well.

Not happy about the US CV's going either, they were all pretty interesting ships.

[Hellmenace]

So you still refuse to let people control their carriers even though that feedback has been there from the start, I've played both test so far and I can't see the thought behind this, makes in nearly impossible to defend yourself against strikes and unless I read it wrong you still can't damage con whilst controlling the squad. (if im wrong please correct me)

And why are you removing the Azur Lane camo from people who own it, I don't own the Enterprise atm but i brought the entire pack so i could have the camo for when it finally comes back on sale. But now your taking it away and I wont have the opportunity to buy it back as the collab will probably end before it comes back on sale, so thanks for that.

[DeletedUser]

Whats gonna happend with the Permanent Camoflages for the CVs? Do we get a Compensation or full Dubloons back? Also what happens to the Halloween Camoflages for the Lexington and the Shokaku? Will they be compensated or just removed. I dont think thats a good Plan and i also Think, it shows again - what ever you give as Feedback,what ever you wrote down in Surveys,send in Replays,Screenshots and what so ever doesnt interest Wargaming at all. And the main Part - it seems you have learned nothing from the Misstakes you did in the last Years only to make it more Console friendly... and to Quote the Upper Post, you still refuse to let Players control their CVs and they will get straight away attacked by DDs - welp - for WHAT Reason i write a Survey, for WHAT Reason i waste my Time writing Feedbacks, filling out Polls and Forms if you DONT even listen to it.

And im not using any Words right now, where i get Reported for whats in my Head Quote WG: "Submarines?! Never!!!! - Oh, depending on the Feedback, we think about introduce them into Randoms"
And now you rip the Carrier Lines appart? Yes, well played, i hope you became Insolvent at some Point and the Servers are for rent deserved a kick in the Nuts - nothing more or less.
 

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[Seeigel]

Sorry to say, but not a big fan of removing so many (iconic) ships. Its like removing Bismarck, Iowa and Yamato from the game just because they dont fit there any more. Or the Fletcher-class.

 

Also, it leaves me wondering what will happen to potential new premium CVs. There were so many more ships but I just dont see any more room for them in the game.

 

The feeling that is left is: lets make a rework, because we just cant remove a whole class from the game. But lets make the rework so that there is nothing left to play.

[kenmac1965]

3 hours ago, Striker2523 said:

I speak as one who has grinded through both tech trees and someone who has defended the rework but this i can not unfortuantly let slide. I dont agree with the removal of every odd numbered CV especially as some of my favorite CV's are the odd numbered ones like Hiryuu, and taiho if anything i feel this is going to ruin the CV's as it will not feel like your actually progressing in the tech trees. If you increase the amount of time your forced to grind one boat then you will get bored with it and stop wanting to play it. i am also not pleased with the fact that you guys are removing ships the Wargamming team has put a lot of time and effort into creating including the two t8 premiums Enterprise and Graf Zepllin. If anythign you guys have just super limited CV's which will in my honest opinion Shrink the amount of CV players even further not increase it as you planned. So im sorry but in my honest opinion Removing Content from a line is a horrible horrible idea Please reconsider the decision to remove ships from the game or in my opinion you will lose the complete faith of your community.

 

3 hours ago, Gknight_007 said:

Reducing the number of CV-s to four/branch a clear sign, that you cant provide enough variety to a whole line, in this limited gameplay.

Refusing to give us the ability to control the cv, means a carrier wont be able to protect herself. How on earth should I attack the marching dd, and dodging the torps in one time?

Moving all the premium cv-s to tier 8 means, all of them will play in the top bracket. T8 will be flooded by prem. carriers

 

Finally the compensation. Nowadays, when I sitting on 1M+ freeExp, I can't be amazed by another 3-4k. What the hell should I do with it?

I have all the fxp ship already, and you public new reward ships for coal, steel, cooper etc... anything but Fxp.

 

  

Totally agree the cv game play worked but because the cvs were successful wg pandered to the CV sky cancer moaners personally speaking what was the use of grinding through the tiers if wg can arbitrarilly change what ships we have, the game is meant to be equal  but do hear cv players crying about dds stalking them?  NO

[GravityTrash]

4 minutes ago, Seeigel said:

Sorry to say, but not a big fan of removing so many (iconic) ships. Its like removing Bismarck, Iowa and Yamato from the game just because they dont fit there any more. Or the Fletcher-class.

 

Also, it leaves me wondering what will happen to potential new premium CVs. There were so many more ships but I just dont see any more room for them in the game.

 

The feeling that is left is: lets make a rework, because we just cant remove a whole class from the game. But lets make the rework so that there is nothing left to play.

They are likely comming back they never said it was forever either 

[ewokgoeth]

I am concerned about the fate of the CV

the gameplay seems to be so dumbed down that you can't anymore do fighter duels, scouting, and even good old hammer+anvil torpedo tactics

and the massive flood of free xp for those whoe will elect refund will bring many players to "i have all the t10s i want and nothing more i want to grind"

situation

 

[HatsuzukiKaiNi]

Just now, GravityTrash said:

They are likely comming back they never said it was forever either 

That still means they're half-assing the rework to a degree, considering how long they've said it's been under development i'd expect better. Especially when it results in the removal of ships many people like.

[antean]

3 hours ago, Mr_Snoww said:

still no CV controls after everyone telling you to add them

Ya, let's have current idiot CV play where one just anchors your CV behind an island and/or never moves. This is going to work really well (rofl).

2 hours ago, FreVaL_1 said:

Well done WoWs, just keep on shitting all over players.

The problem is not too many CVs, or the controls. The problem is that everybody splits up in little groups or go solo and thus become easy targets for CVs. 

 

So yeah, thanks for punishing CV players in return for pleasing some cry babies. And to think i bought premium and doubloons.

Yep, all this new CV rework garbage FARCE entirely due to the 'whiners'.

1 hour ago, Ukail said:

So true.

 

Whatever the rework of the CV's gameplay will be, I just can't be "ok" with the suppression of so many ships.

What ever happened to grinding a tech tree line for CVs? Are they now 'special' cases?

37 minutes ago, Olamagato said:

I don't agree for all changes in CVs. WoWS without existing  carriers is a stupid shooter.
Rather I will no play in this game.

I will just play more DDs & hunt the new garbage CVs

19 minutes ago, JG4_Schneeweiss said:

I hope u take all my premium carriers back...i will never play cv after changing playstyle.....

I will assign all my current CV Cpts to DDs I presently do not have so I can hunt the  reworked garbage CVs.

 

I will expect a full money refund (not just more doubloons) on all my premium CVs.

I will expect full credit & doubloon value refunds for all my purchases related to regular tech tree CVs.

WG can give me back my money for any purchase related to my current CVs as I refuse to play the new reworked garbage CVs - they are an insult to my intelligence.

[Kais_S012]

ok... @Sub_Octavian, @Tuccy so let me get this straight...

 

your answer to fixing the problem that not enough players are playing the class is to... change the gameplay so it is boring as sin to anyone with more than 2 brain cells (so perfectly suited to battleship babies then eh?) and then remove half of the fecking ships?

seriously?..

 

all this debacle shows that that lesta's dev team have neither the capability nor the interest to actually make the class work. 

I cant even imagine how many man hours used making the ships and planes of this class you have wasted with this.

If I made such inept  decisions as this in my place of work I would be looking at my P45 (or pink slip if your prefer), a card box box for all my stuff and being shown the bloody door!

[HelloThere_GeneralKenobi]

im a little worried about the premiums..   i own a enterprise , saipan and kaga    

does this mean  enterprise is getting replaced with the saipan??

 

Rules for premium aircraft carriers:

• All old premium aircraft carriers at tier VIII are replaced with new premium aircraft carriers of the same tier. All ship XP and commander skills are transferred to the new carrier.

• Premium aircraft carriers Saipan and Kaga (currently tier VII) are replaced with the new version of premium aircraft carriers Saipan and Kaga (now tier VIII). All the XP and specialization of the commander transferred to the new aircraft carriers.

 

[GravityTrash]

1 minute ago, JustBlameKK said:

im a little worried about the premiums..   i own a enterprise , saipan and kaga    

does this mean  enterprise is getting replaced with the saipan??

 

Rules for premium aircraft carriers:

• All old premium aircraft carriers at tier VIII are replaced with new premium aircraft carriers of the same tier. All ship XP and commander skills are transferred to the new carrier.

• Premium aircraft carriers Saipan and Kaga (currently tier VII) are replaced with the new version of premium aircraft carriers Saipan and Kaga (now tier VIII). All the XP and specialization of the commander transferred to the new aircraft carriers.

 

No saipan will just move to tier 8 you will still be able to keep enterprise

[hgbn_dk]

2 minutes ago, JustBlameKK said:

im a little worried about the premiums..   i own a enterprise , saipan and kaga    

does this mean  enterprise is getting replaced with the saipan??

 

Rules for premium aircraft carriers:

• All old premium aircraft carriers at tier VIII are replaced with new premium aircraft carriers of the same tier. All ship XP and commander skills are transferred to the new carrier.

• Premium aircraft carriers Saipan and Kaga (currently tier VII) are replaced with the new version of premium aircraft carriers Saipan and Kaga (now tier VIII). All the XP and specialization of the commander transferred to the new aircraft carriers.

 

No it just means you'll get 2 more premiums at T-VIII

[WarpTank]

Free commander skills respec only for carriers? But this change will affect all classes, in current meta specing for AA was not to viable because low carrier numbers except at tiers 5-7, if carriers become more popular then respecing commanders in all higher tier ships will be needed too.

[hgbn_dk]

I'm wondering why there is no example of compensations if you have both lines fully purchased, upgraded and still want to keep the CV's. What's the total gain of free xp and credits WG liquidating the odd tiers??

[Vaepex]

Nigh the entirety of the community is screaming with one collective voice that this whole 'Carrier Rework' is A Bad Change. Read the comments on every forum thread so far, on the Youtube videos, on your own FB pages, on reddit ... does none of this feedback mean anything? No, it's not because it's a change, but simply because it is unwanted, unworkable, and frankly badly done. It honestly doesn't matter that there's been months of development and effort put in, your players do not want this. It is not needed or required. The people coming up with a few supportive comments are the absolute minority. I haven't spoken to a single CV player yet who wants this to happen and actually plenty of non-CV players think it's nonsense too. That ceases to be mere anecdote when it's backed up by reams of similar commentary from all directions.

Doubloons are not a good enough recompense for any player who, between the three premium CVs (and not including Premium Camo for normie ships) could have spent a pretty considerable amount of real world money supporting a game, and a specific gameplay experience they enjoy, only to have it Product Recalled and replaced with something not just different but utterly substandard. It's not like this is a Premium Ship balance - it's not a nerf or a mere adjustment - it is a total alteration of the product someone purchased in good faith and the game experience as a whole.

 

Removing half the Ships ... well is anyone even surprised at that, given the other decisions? Sure, maybe they will bring them back. It just beggars belief that it is somehow considered a necessary change in the first place.

 

It's honestly not worth deconstructing the rest of the post itself; it's already been done in bitesize and we know no one is reading it anyway.

 

It is simply supreme arrogance to continue with this project as is - willfully ignoring all it's flaws and with no care for the community.

[wilkatis_LV]

 

@MrConway @Crysantos Hmm, may I ask why?

 

Spotter planes elevated view tends to be extremely useful in certain situations like shooting into smokescreens or having a better aim over islands (not even talking about the 15km view range compared to other planes 11km giving you a lot of spotting capabilities - such as spotting a full stealth Conq at ranges up to 17.1km from you), especially on ships like Montana. It comes with a relatively short duration and a rather long cooldown, this is also why I use the special spotter mod in the 1st slot to get more out of it.

As you can imagine in a situation like this having your spotter shot down is highly inconvenient. Having 2x spotters helps to limit / prevent that to some extent. Hence the Double Floatplanes skill. Why exactly is it removed from Spotters?

[1031]

 I could write the same as others in this topic but i make it simple

I do not like the "airplane simulator" you made

I dont like new tech trees and removing half of Cvs

What about CV only players ?
WG: you dont like this? you can now uninstal game. Thanks for your money and time, bye

[Ozunix]

As a main and a competitiv CV player, I was already in the earliest rework announcment very skeptical and disappointed.

I'm now surprise how WarGaming manage to drill a deeper falls for "intelligent" gameplay...

 

I'm in charge of a French Discord where we tried to learn CV's for all, it's only a little part of the job from the all community ,from all languages, to make carriers more suitable for lambda guys. ( guide, open class, streams etc.)

The currents CV in the game could be better for other classes, more balanced in spoting or dealing damage, but WG always run in the opposite direction from the community, they never listening the players and made dumb as fu** changes as they did for Tier 4 and 5 Cv's...

 

The things that i'm the most angry about still the "doublons compensation", am I the only one who don't care about doubloons ?

If I don't like new CV's why should I want doubloons ? For what exactly ? How my doubloons could be useful ?

Logical will say "for the other class" but hey, 

Am I obliged to like another classe to be respected ? I want to be refounded, not in doubloons, but directly into my bank account, because if i want to spend my money again in a WG game I would have the choice to.

 

Thanks for reading.

[DeletedUser]

@Vaepex i cant agree 100% more with that Post you wrote down there. And i even would give you more then 1 Reaction, if i could. That covers anything what crossed my Mind the last Months or even further back in playing Warships and those Thoughts are back up every Time a Survey Pops up "What you like to Change?" because i clearly know NOTHING get´s changed at all. So why i should waste my spare Time to fill out a Survey if it basicly wents straight into the Trash.

[SkyKld]

I think this is the worst news we can hear ..
Wargaming are you serious, You have totally cracked ..

A class does not even have a continous progression ?  It's sad very sad...
This Rework feels full nose more work than expected and leaves behind  taste of dung not at all.

Nice work WG, you have reward for finish to choke CV class.

[ShinySheffy]

@Sub_Octavian If wargaming very much intends on moving forward with this change, then may i suggest that you remove the Hakuryu and replace it with Taiho (with a bit of rebalancing). Since the Hakuryu is a paper design ,while the Taiho did actually exist..

I personally disagree with removing Half of all carriers in the game, but if you are intent on removing some, then at least remove the paper carriers first. 

Summary: Let Taiho Stay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

#RemoveHakuryuInsteadOfTaiho

#NotTheCVs

[hgbn_dk]

5 minutes ago, Zeratul__Battleship said:

@Sub_Octavian If wargaming very much intends on moving forward with this change, then may i suggest that you remove the Hakuryu and replace it with Taiho (with a bit of rebalancing). Since the Hakuryu is a paper design ,while the Taiho did actually exist..

I personally disagree with removing Half of all carriers in the game, but if you are intent on removing some, then at least remove the paper carriers first. 

Summary: Let Taiho Stay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

#RemoveHakuryuInsteadOfTaiho

#NotTheCVs

Agree I will even say scrap Midway for Essex too.

[MrWastee]

On 11/16/2018 at 12:19 AM, MrWastee said:

... and there we go :

 

• "All the commanders of aircraft carriers of even tiers retrain and move to new aircraft carriers of even tiers."

--> no choice, bollocks! like a line was alternated, totally not fits the rework of a branch!

 

• "All the commanders of aircraft carriers of odd tiers retrain on the new aircraft carriers at a lower tier and are moved to the Reserve."

--> ...even more bollocks in that regard than above. let em raise a ton of commanders, remove half the lines on rework, noch choice given: u're stuck on a ton of useless commanders!

 

• "All aircraft carrier commanders reset their skills."

--> woohoooo............ BOLLOCKS.... totally worthless foodnote. standard on reworking skilltree anyway! no talk about the USELESSNES of said commanders.............

 

...bollocks!

 

is all i got runnign round my mind atm. i know u guys are not responsible for that bS, but yeah............

 

 

though, the one good thing, but def'o not clear ngh yet is:

• "All the permanent camos of carriers on even tiers are replaced with similar permanent camos with the addition of new aircraft carriers from even tiers.

[...] When you exchange or sell permanent Camos you will be reimbursed in the full value of doubloons"

 

 

on the other hand that just means it's fair for camos (choice given), while being unfair in the same perspective for commanders (no choice!)...

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Striker2523]

Yeah i agree with everything everyone is saying THIS WILL KILL CV's not save it as they have hoped, as the massive EXP gap will cause way to many players to rage quit the eleongated grinds in the same boat for lets say t8 t10 which could easily be almost 300 -400 k EXP and im sorry i dont want to play a t8 CV for that long. Not to mention by doing this all the current CV players whos favorite ships are being removed are probably gonna give up on CV's completely. 

 

Then theres the fact they are going to be Shooting themselves in the foot by now limiting CV's to one of 4 tiers, which means all the possible ships they could have added in as premium or tech tree. (wasp, yorktown, kaga, unryuu, ETC) are now no longer an option which also damages the british CV's addition to the game as your only limited to 4 British CV's instead of the large number they actually had, even if they were just one ship of each class ever built. 

 

Having famous CV's like the Taiho, and hiryuu in this game which are my favorite CV's be Removed and being stuck with a paper ship as the final prize is honestly a buzz kill to the line which a lot of players feel as some of the most popular tiers were tiers 7 and 9.  So does this mean that We will never see these ships we put so much time into unlocking and enjoy playing return or will they return as premiums we have to spend money on to acquire them again. In my personal opinion neither of these options is any good and none of these ships should be removed to begin with.