Aircraft Carrier: Changes to Tech Trees, Upgrades and Commander Skills - Discussion Thread

[Verdius]

4 minutes ago, Tuccy said:

One step at a time :) Let's first make sure it works before adding removing more ships ;)

ftfy

[Blaubeeren]

6 minutes ago, Tuccy said:

One step at a time :) Let's first make sure it works before adding more ships ;)

Would three lines of CVs not be easyer for balancing (under each other) then two?

[FreVaL_1]

Well done WoWs, just keep on shitting all over players.

The problem is not too many CVs, or the controls. The problem is that everybody splits up in little groups or go solo and thus become easy targets for CVs. 

 

So yeah, thanks for punishing CV players in return for pleasing some cry babies. And to think i bought premium and doubloons.

[BlackSwordsmen99]

They are really Remove all CV that i love and i spent a lot of time and money in it. They can't do that! CV is, next to the cruiser, my main class..and i love HIRYU VII and TAIHO IX. and now? Wargaming just remove it. And? Goddammit. How can I stop this? For the intrrests from all CV-Player? They can removeZUIHO...and the Americans also..but, I will fight for my HIRYU. I mean, the rework, okay..i can live with it. But to remove them? Its not anymore bnased on the real things- One fact is clear: If they remove the Carriers! I will get a payback for the premium camous i bought for them. I will look for other people, who also don't like this and we will fight against this choice! The CV's is a part of the game.... #CV4ever 

[Miragetank90]

Sigh

Benefit of the doubt time - maybe they will return the odd tiered CVs as even tiers, balanced up or down? Something like Essex moving 8 in another line?

I'm against this, but just thinking aloud. 

If that were the case however, I suppose they would have said it in the article.

 

It's never fun when ships are removed. Even more so when these vessels are a part of real history, which is one of the big draws of the game - playing historical ships, something emphasised by the company itself.

The rework had promise, I was testing and looking forward to it. But for this change alone, I can no longer say I'm behind it. 

 

 

[BlackSwordsmen99]

Vor 2 Minuten, Miragetank90 sagte:

Sigh

Benefit of the doubt time - maybe they will return the odd tiered CVs as even tiers, balanced up or down? Something like Essex moving 8 in another line?

I'm against this, but just thinking aloud. 

If that were the case however, I suppose they would have said it in the article.

 

It's never fun when ships are removed. Even more so when these vessels are a part of real history, which is one of the big draws of the game - playing historical ships, something emphasised by the company itself.

The rework had promise, I was testing and looking forward to it. But for this change alone, I can no longer say I'm behind it. 

 

 

But, what can we do to stop that? other question, can we stop that? I won't lose my HIRYU. 

 

[Ukail]

Il y a 1 heure, Wizmoe a dit :

Seriously, you're removing half of the carriers? Why? The "reason" given can be applied to all ship classes.

So true.

 

Whatever the rework of the CV's gameplay will be, I just can't be "ok" with the suppression of so many ships.

[DisorderZ55]

41 minutes ago, Striker2523 said:

A new problem just popped in my mind to go with my original statement is that now every CV will have to spend almost 50-75% of there grinding time punching well above there tier constantly, imagine playing a lexington or shoukaku having to fight t10 surface ships most of the time. Now take that and repeat the process for t6 and t4 and tell me you wont be spending most of your grinding time getting angry at the game for putting you bottom tier and not being able to do a lot and being stuck in that position till you earn almost double the current amount of EXP you need to advance to the next ship. this will be especially brutal for the Shoukakuand Lexington with AA monsters like the Mino, Wooshter, and des moin around so to be honest this is a horrible idea even for the ships there leaving in.

Firstly, I see no reason of why the odd tiers have been removed, seems pointless to be removing content especially as some players will no doubt like playing at a particular tier in their Carriers. So pity on any player who liked any of the Tier 5, 7 or 9 Aircraft carriers.
The Ranger moving down a tier according to the preview tech tree (The Independance is Tier 6 normally)
I'm not much of a carrier player but, I see two outcomes here.

Either it is as you predict and being bottom tier carrier (tier 4v6, 6v8 and 8v10) is going to be incredibly painful to make it from one ship to another not to mention very tedious  as your needing a huge amount more exp to do that jump. That said it does state that the cost of going T4 to T6 carrier will be less than the equivilant currently

On the other side however, the alternative I find more concerning. 
IF they are going to spend a huge amount of time as bottom tier ships in the bracket then they have ot be able to have impact upon the game as bottom tier ships. Meaning the potential for them to be stupidly powerful to make up for that means that attempting to counter them is a pointless act. Especially as now don't seem to really counter each other with the fighters being a consumable so bringing down planes is going to be more important for general ships to deal with. On top of this, what will happen when the carrier is the top tier ship? What hope will tier 4, or possibly even tier 5 ships have against a tier 6 carrier? 

Will carriers be balanced in matches? As currently with how the MM works, unless a specific exception is added for carriers (as i suspect they have as have not seen multi carrier games with tier differences of more than 1 (IE, Tier 4 and 5 or 6 and 7 carriers. Havent seen and T4 and T6 or T7 and T9 pairings) As being 2 tiers apart gives the potential for A T4 carrier and a T6 carrier being in the same game. What is the lower tier meant to achieve?

Neither possibility is particularly beneficial for the game as both will cause frustration, either for the carriers, or for everyone else.  I'm not currently sure what to make of these changes

[BlackSwordsmen99]

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[hgbn_dk]

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Speechless

What did I just read

This took an unexpected turn

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[GravityTrash]

So does this mean Kaga and such will come on sale again? 

[hgbn_dk]

1 minute ago, GravityTrash said:

So does this mean Kaga and such will come on sale again? 

Probably yes... At T-VIII. Lucky I bought Kaga just before it was removed

[GravityTrash]

3 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

Probably yes... At T-VIII. Lucky I bought Kaga just before it was removed

Sadly i took time off the game at the time it was on sale and missed it so i have my hopes up :)

[BlackSwordsmen99]

Vor 5 Minuten, hgbn_dk sagte:

Probably yes... At T-VIII. Lucky I bought Kaga just before it was removed

You must have to know, Kaga is Tier VII, like Saipan. If they r really removing all tier V, VII and IX, they will maybe remove both VII- Premium Carriers too. Sad,ut the truth. One reason more to save the carriers,

[hgbn_dk]

1 minute ago, BlackSwordsmen99 said:

You must have to know, Kaga is Tier VII, like Saipan. If they r really removing all tier V, VII and IX, they will maybe remove both VII- Premium Carriers too. 

Read the article it says that Saipan and Kaga is moved to T-VIII

[hgbn_dk]

[BlackSwordsmen99]

Vor 2 Minuten, hgbn_dk sagte:

Read the article it says that Saipan and Kaga is moved to T-VIII

okay. #savethecarriers

 

[Olamagato]

I don't agree for all changes in CVs. WoWS without existing  carriers is a stupid shooter.
Rather I will no play in this game.

[Asatori]

This 'rework' starts to look more and more like stumbling from one disaster (current CV state) to a new bigger disaster. If you can't do it, then perhaps delete CV's altogether? And focus instead on other classes, subs, support vessels (corvettes, frigates) and make those fun to play. 

 

I've never been interested in playing a CV,  I get annoyed when i'm in a CV game (even in an AA cruiser) and from what i've seen i'm certainly not interested in the new gameplay  unfortunately. 

The new CV gameplay looks like the new place to be for the sub average BB players.

 

An A for effort and persistence to the devs, but it's hard to love CV's in this game no matter the form. 

[JG4_Schneeweiss]

I hope u take all my premium carriers back...i will never play cv after changing playstyle.....

[CAP98100]

I am missing the compensation for the  useless knowlage what the current gameplay will mean in the future... Time was spent to learn it... i woul like more back than the price of a ship. 10% of the collected XP on the ships would be kinda mor fair!

[AkosJaccik]

I was sceptic, but supportive originally. While I never was a huge advocate for CVs, I liked them, liked the brave concept, the new approach, the different mentality behind the class and the completely different interaction between the combatants, the need for something else in terms of skill and experience. Still, I saw and read about their disparities, I was aware of the serious problems they cause, and such, I accepted that for some cloudy "greater good", for the Future of the Game and really, for all players and for our entertainment, something needs to be done. And so, CV rework happened. I was less than thrilled - what I saw was barely any air-to-air interaction, and the CV gameplay being degraded into a numb, monotonous, repetitive chain of bombing runs. But again - I accepted it, and hoped for the best.

 

...but then THIS?! You are not simply neutering the gameplay, you are taking away HALF of the content, including famous carriers?! What's next, will we get the "opportunity" to buy them back as premiums...?! I'm not even going to voice my concerns over the implications, as they are mostly already written above, people stuck in lower tier CV-s seemingly forever against constant +2 MM will be just lovely.

 

I never, ever wrote nor on these forums, nor on any other this yet. But now I do:

Delete CVs. Just get rid of them. After all these years, let them die with dignity, after all, half of them are already in front of the firing squad. Admit your defeat, accept that you have no idea what to do with them in terms of this gameplay, and move on. I mean, imagine if the same would happen in for example WoT. CV players will not be happy, CV haters will not be happy, CV owners will not be happy, would-be CV players will not be happy, what is even the plan?!

 

Oh, by the way, thank you for the doubloon compensation, it would even make sense if you did not clean up the in-game tech tree a year ago or so to "rotate the offers". Now I can wait for another year so the ship I actually want instead MAY be appearing. Just... I... wow. Just wow. This is low, man, and I was the man who laughed about the GrafZepp fiasco.

[DatSuga]

i maybe wrong but for me it reads that the reworks sounds nice for american CVs and bad for japanese CVs.

 

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Aviation armor (instead of Aircraft Servicing Expert)

Reduces incoming damage caused to aircraft from ships’ short-range AA defense

 

My Taiho Torpedo Bomber have an Torpedo range of 2,7km, the Missouri has a short range AA of 2,4 km /wioth upgrades etc.). So this skill change seems to affect dive bombers more than torp bomber. Including Demolition Expert this buffs Dive Bombers.

 

And by the way...to japanese Cvs finally get better Torps and Bombs? Same Torps and Bombs from Tier 4 to 10....that sucks. Nearly no damage against Tier 10 BBs. That was the main reason i quiet Cvs with the Taiho...plus the fact than at Tier 8 upwards the AA is to strong and i'm not a really good CV player^^

 

 

And the article sais what happens if u had RESEARCHED odd Tier Cvs, but what i u OWN them? I have a Taiho...what happens then? Do i get the ugly easily burning Shokaku back? And what about the Credit compensation. Taiho costs a little bit more than Shokaku.

 

[KuPuJlKa]

Good good! half of the problem is dealt with.. one more effort and we wont hear from our "pro" rts gamers here that have nothing to do in a shooter game from the start!!

[hgbn_dk]

This raises some interesting questions about MM. Will CV have +1-1 match making??