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Hello again British community (and everybody who uses this forum too) :cap_horn::Smile_honoring:

 

Some of you may know me as someone who posted months back a line split of IJN BB and BC trees; that work of mine was based on a very famous, in our forum at least, work done by three persons: @Criseox @manolojones and @imply_tha_best These three amazing people gave to us what they called the “Bola de Cristal” which means the “Crystal Ball” which future readers use for their predictions. They had a couple of them, like Russian French and Italian BBs. 

Sadly, our national forum was closed 15th of March this year; despite that discouraging event, the Spanish community moved to a unofficial forum and there, after a long break and a summer long of discussions and debates, we finalized the tree that very soon you all shall see. Why I say “we” and not “they”? Well that is because I joined them as my 19 birthday gift; that and the making of this very difficult although very rewarding full German capital ship line split. 

 

Hope you all enjoy it the same way as us. I’m going to post it little by little, about 2 tiers each day. Hopefully today I will be able to share with you the introduction plus tier 3 and 4. Plus, when I’m finished I’m goimg to share it to the Panzerkancker YT channel for even more “publicity”. I only ask the moderators that they do not ban me for double posting :Smile_trollface:. That I and my own level of English 

 

My personal dedication to @1MajorKoenig @NothingButTheRain And all the others who had kind words for my job back in the IJN BB and BC tree Sorry But I can’t remember you all :Smile_smile:

 

Hope you have an awesome time reading this and good luck on the rough seas!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Scrap! I knew I lef one out! Thanks for the early like @ColonelPete 

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Introduction and main characteristics of German BCs

 

As our team thought of how to balance this ships, we had in mind what the historical ones did, specially the ones form the famous I Scouting Group; therefore, the ships should behave differently from the nowadays German BBs They should be faster and slightly less armored but having more speed The guns would be either low on mm or on barrel count The ships would act as mobile accurate gun platforms which support the fast moving cruisers, dealing with the enemy battleships In higher tiers, you get a mix of French and RN Vanguard style kind of ships. Very fast and with punchy guns but lacking the tank capabilities or secondaries of the main BB tree. Other common traits of all ships are:

 

-They are all Imperial German ships from tier 3 to 9 while the tier 10 is a purely fictional ship but heavily based on real Kaiserliche projects 

-All of the real ships (including the tier 6) which were built in reality (or at least partially built) have historical WW1 hulls (im sure this will please real life looks enthusiasts like @1MajorKoenig 

-I proposed myself the “what if” modernizations patterned after WG ones I even have the stats I would put on those ships (discounting sigma, dispersion and other formulas; if someone needs an specific value, I’m sure we can agree on it) 

 

As for pure game characteristics, we thought that they should have been fast, somewhat stealthy (without out spotting similar tier cruisers) and with good AA defense. The armor layout changes at tier 6 but the ships shall remain tanky when angled right. At high tiers, you could also expect a close equivalent to the US citadel. 

 

Hope this is liked and easy to read. The first 2 tiers are coming soon (is difficult to translate by hand  :Smile_veryhappy:)

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Tier 3 and 4 The German Way

 

The first of the German battlecruiser was a “copy” of the British Invincible class, because the previous cruiser Blucher was outclassed. She marked the German idea for their BCs, trading gun power for a higher speed while having only slightly worse armor than contemporary dreadnoughts. The first of those ships was the Von der Tann:

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Warning!! Some of the characteristics listed here (like training arcs for example) were extracted from this book. The ingame ones are purely estimated or what I would say for the ships. If any of you have doubts, please ask I may take a while to answer but will try :Smile_coin: 

Von der Tann Stats

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Tier III 

 

A Hull HP: 32400
B Hull HP: 36000


Armor:


250mm Main Belt


Böshung (that sloping piece of armor right behind the belt) 50mm 

Armament: 

4x2 28cm SK (SK means QF) L45 “en echelon” 

Reload: 22 secs (As Nassau before nerf)  

Turning speed of main guns 60 secs for 180 degrees 

Training arcs (I assume directly from bow is 0 degrees; I use the German way for turrets


 
A turret : 210º  -150º 

B turret  5º -180º y 235º -315º (This last 2 values and the ones for D turret don’t know what they are; maybe are the ones across the deck) 

C turret 26º -334º  

D turret 180º -356º y 55º -125º 

  

Range  10700m with GFCS 1 

             12300m with GFCS 2 

  

Secondary guns:  

A hull 

10x1 150mm  16x1 88mm  

B hull 

10x1 150mm  8x1 88mm 

  
AA (B hull only) 4x1 88mm MPL C/13  


Speed  

23 kts stock engine

27 kts upgraded engine 

Rudder shift:  

15 secs A hull 

11 secs B hull 

Turning circle radius: 540m 

  

Concealment 10,200m from sea 7500 from air 


Consumables: standard German BB ones  

 

 

 

For the next 2 classes, the Germans went for a layout similar to the Kaiser class BBs; echelon was retained but a fifth turret was located in a super firing position at the back, directly above old C turret. The resulting class was the Moltke and Goeben. In order to get another third unit while improving seaworthiness and thickening the main belt, the Germans built probably one if not the most famous of their kind before Derfflinger class. The almighty Seydlitz. 

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Seydlitz Stats

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Tier IV

 

HP A hull 39400 HP

HP B hull 43570 HP

 

Armor: 

300mm main belt

Böshung 50mm

 

Armament: 5x2 28cm SK L50 echelon layout 

Reload: 22 secs

Rotation speed 50 secs for 180 degrees

Training arcs for main turrets 

A bow centerline turret  201º -150º

B starboard wing turret 5º  180º and 235º -315º 

C Aft superfiring turret 35º 325º 

D Aft not superfiring  turret 35º 325º 

E Port wing turret 55º -130º y 180º -360º

 

Range   GFCS 1 14500m

              GFCS 2 17100m 

 

Secondary guns: 

Casco A 12x1 150mm 6x1 88mm

Casco B 12x1 150mm 4x2 105mm

 

AA 

A hull 2x1 88mm MPL C/13 

B hull 4x2 105mm Dopp 31 ( Konig upgraded heavy DP guns) 4x2 37mm SK C/30 6x2 20mm Flak 38 

 

Speed       Engine 1 25 kts

                  Engine 2 28 kts 

 

 Turning circle 620m 

A hull rudder shift 17,8

B rudder shift 12,8

 

Concealment from sea 14900m from air 8900m 

 

 

Consumables: Standard German BB 

 

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Tier 5 and 6 Iron Dogs and the Böshung -Tankiness dilemma 

 

After the successful Seydlitz, the German navy adopted a more rational layout, with all the turrets on the centerline togheter with an increase of caliber to 305. The result was also an astonishing success and the ship met all the expectations. Although some may think the looks of it are a reminiscent of the Tiger or IJN Kongo, I believe that this class of ship is gorgeous for their time and on top of that, it has a cool nickname. I’m of course speaking of the Iron Dog, Derfflinger.

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Derfflinger Stats

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Tier V

 

A hull HP 46800 

B hull HP 52500 


Armor 300mm main belt  Böshung 50mm 

  
Main battery 

4x2 305mm L50 AB-CD 

Reload 26 secs

Turning speed for main turrets 45 secs

  
Range GFCS 1 16400m 

Range GFCS 2 17200m 

  

Secondary guns:  

 

A hull 12x1 150mm 8x1 88mm DP 

B hull 10x1 150mm 6x2 105mm DP 

  

AA 

A hull 8x1 88mm DP 

B hull 6x2 105mm DP 8x2 37mm 2x4 20mm 10x1 20mm 

  
Speed

Engine 1 26 nudos  

Engine  2 30 nudos  

Rudder shift

A hull 17 segundos  

B hull 13 segundos  

Turning circle  680-710m 

  

Concealment 

A hull 15900m  
B hull 15400m  

 

(The decrease of concealment is similar to the Bayern A to B hull one)

Consumables: Standard German BB  + fighter catapult on top of turret C which uses a Konigsberg like fighter for 180 segundos

 

After the famous Derfflinger class, the German battlecruisers start to mount bigger guns. The follow up of these ships was different because of the increased caliber and a key armor layout difference. I’m talking about the Mackensen class and the sloping piece of armor called Böshung.

Bösgung and turtleback explanation:

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The German armor schemes up to this moment was something like this (the example is Derfflinger)

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As you can see, the main armor belt is 300mm and after that a sloping piece of 50mm thick armor appears. That is the Böshung which I believe is called Ingame as the “citadel armored deck slopes” or something like that in English (for a more detailed explanation of how turtleback works, check this 

But for the Mackensen class (and the follow up BCs) the armor was without that Böshung, as it appears here:

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The lack of that sloping piece of armor is crucial for the turtleback effect and the resistance to critical citadle damage at close range. That is why I think the BCs should not be suited for heavy brawls and only go for them when completely necessary. As for how this translates ingame wise, I would go for a citadel similar to high tier US ones; punishable when given full side but very tanky If played right. 

 

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Mackensen Stats

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Tier VI

 

A hull HP 47980

B hull HP 53650

Armor: 300mm main belt

There is NOT a Böshung

 

Main battery:

4x2 350mm L45 

Reload 24-26 secs 

Turning speed 36-40 secs 

 

Range GFCS  1 16900m

Range GFCS 2 18200m

 

Secondary guns

WW1 hull (optional) 8x1 88mm  14x1 150mm

 A hull 8x2 88mm C32 10x1 150mm

 B hull 8x2 105mm C31 10x1 150mm

 

AA 

WW1 hull 8x1 88mm MPL C13

A hull 8x2 88mm L76 C32 8x2 37mm 10x1 20mm

B hull 8x2 105mm C31 12x1 40mm 5x2 20mm

 

Speed 

Engine 1  28 nudos 

Engine 2 30 nudos

 

Rudder shift

WW1 and A hulls 21 secs

B hull 16 secs 

 

Concealment 

WW1 hull 16500m

A And B  hulls 15900m

 

Consumables:

Standard German BB + Fighter catapult with a Nuremberg style fighter for 180secs 

 

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Tier 7 Troublesome and problematic at best 

 

For the tier 7, the Germans have the most dramatic change on their current BB tree. The Gneisenau is a big departure from the old dreadnoughts, having more speed AA and torpedos in exchange for a main battery turret. As you may know, the historical design for this ships comes from the Ersatz Yorck, a follow up of the Mackensen class with 38cm guns; plus, a prototype design for the Mackensen has a very similar looks to today’s Gneisenau. Therefore and in line of previous BCs, all of them having less main armament, higher speed and good AA defense, we propose the Gneisenau as the tier 7 of the battlecruiser tech tree.  

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Gneisenau Stats remain the same as now

 

If the Gneisenau is moved out of the main BB tree, we need a substitute. We found the ideal ship in the post Bayern studies for a new generation of battleships. In our case, we strongly think that one of the L designs should be the one who takes the Gneis spot. We went for the L3 battleship design. Sadly, the mess in shipbucket prevented our great artist @manolojones to use the proper drawing; but we found a good picture for the L20 e BB. Here is how it started:

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And here how it ended:

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Our intent was to create a mix between B hull Bayern and A hull Bismarck. It looks like a modernized ship that still shows some of the ww1 era traits like casemate secondaries or somewhat small bridge structure. The placement of the catapult also augments that old but modernized ship looks. The name is from a class of pre dreadnought ships and we think it fits perfectly. 

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Tier VII BB

 

HP A hull 54200

HP B hull 62300

Armor

350mm main belt 

Böshung as Bayern 

 

Main battery 

4x2 380mm L45 

Reload 30 secs 

Turn 45 secs 

 

Range GFCS 1 18900m

Range GFCS 2 20300m

 

Secondary guns 

A hull 12x1 150mm 8x2 88mm C32

B hull 12x1 150mm 8x2 105mm C31

 

AA 

A hull 8x2 88mm C32 4x2 37mm 8x1 20mm

B hull 8x2 105mm C31 6x2 37mm 4x4 de 20mm 2x2 de 20mm 4x1 de 20 mm (this are the modern 37mm from upgraded Bismarck/Gneisenau) 

 

Speed 

Engine 1  26 kts 

Engine 2 29,75 kts 

 

Rudder shift 

A hull 24 secs 

B hull 17 secs 

 

Concealment 

A and B  hull 16600m

 

Consumibles:

Standard German BB + catapult

Sadly, this may not be what WG would do. Therefore, we find that if they are going to keep the Gneisenau as a BB, we still need to fill the tier 7 BC gap and the obvious solution is to bring up the “German Hood” The Ersatz Yorck class doesn’t fits as well as the Gneis because it is more like a faster Bayern class, as far as real life design that is. Nevertheless, if WG doesn’t want to move the Gneisenau, we need to use this ship as a gap filler. As the possible names for this class are all taken, we decided that the ships deserves a new one. We found one that was never used before in German capital ships. We christened our Ersatz Yorck as the Clausewitz.

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Tier VII BC

 

HP A hull 55100

HP B hull 58300

 

Armor

300mm main belt 

NO Böshung 

 

Main battery 

4x2 380mm L45 

Reload 30 secs

Turning speed for Main battery 40 secs 

 

Range GFCS 1 19900m

 

 

Secondary guns

A and B hulls 6x1 150mm 8x2 105mm C37 

 

 

AA 

A hull 8x2 105mm C37 4x2 37mm 8x1 20mm

B hull 8x2 105mm C37  10x1 40mm 6x2 37mm 2x4 de 20mm 2x2 de 20mm 4x1 de 20 mm (this 37mm are the old ones from not modernized Bismarck/Gneisenau) 

 

Speed and maneuver 

Engine 1  27 kts

Engine 2 30,5 kts

 

Rudder shift 

A hull 26 secs 

B hull 15 secs

 

Concealment 

 A and B  hulls 15700m

 

Consumables 

Standard German BB + catapult

 

 

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Tier 8 A kiting monster in the making 

 

We arrive at tier 8 and find the first of the brand and new designs that show the end of our tree. The ship we use is based on the GK4531.

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This series of ships, all starting with the prefix GK, were made as further studies on Grosse Kreuzers and later on they evolved into Grosse Kampf Shiffes or Big Fighting Ships in English, similar to a fast battleship concept. The numbers of the ships (after the GK prefix) have their own meaning; in this case the GK4531 means is the 1 ship with 3 turrets weighting 45k tons. As expected, we had to modernize this ship and here is the end result, named Pappenheim:

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Tier VIII 

 

HP A hull 59500

HP B hull 67200:

Armor: 330 mm main belt 

 

Main battery:

3x2 420 mm L45

Reload 28 seconds

Turn 40 seconds Range

GFCS 1 19900m

Range GFCS 2 22300m

 

Secondary guns:

A hull 5x2 150mm 8x2 105mm C31

B hull 5x2 150mm 8x2 105mm C37

 

AA: 

A hull 8x2 105mm C31 8x2 37mm C30 (old 37mm) 20x1 20mm

B hull 8x2 105mm C37 8x2 37mm  M42 (modern 37mm) 11x2 20mm

 

Torpedos: 2x4 de 533mm - 6 kilometers range 

 

Speed and maneuverability:

Engine 1  28 kts 

Engine 2 32 kts

 

Rudder shift

 A hull 23 secs

 B hull 14 secs

 

Concealment:  A and B  hulls 16300 m

 

Consumables : Standard Germans BB  (without hidro) + catapult + Engine boost (standard not the French special one) + Main Battery Reload Booster (MBRB)

 

As you can see, the true colors of or top tier BC show up We have the first silver “battleships” with the new Main Battery Reload Booster and a Spood Boost too (I told you @1MajorKoenig :Smile-_tongue:) The MBRB is necessary as this ship clearly has too few guns for the tier, albeit with a big caliber; the high speed and overall layout reveals that this ship is meant as a highly armored scouting unit, rushing forward and then kiting away thanks to her good turret angles. The torpedos are purely a last resort and try to compensate for the lack of a turret, as Gneis a tier lower. He armor is thick but is not advised to go full retard into the brawl without thinking. It also lacks the hydro from the main BB tree but gains more maneuverability in exchange. 

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Tier 9 It is not a Friederich the Great

 

 

We arrive at tier 9 and find another modernized GK. In this case, we have the GK4541 mixed with GK5041. It is a 4x2 turreted ship, a very classy and similar layout to other German ships like Derfflinger, Mackensen, Bismarck or Friederich the Great. Despite the similarities, this ship is a more accurate version of the latter and comes as a sort of ultra Derfflinger gameplay wise.

Named after a famous knight, the Frundsberg can give Alsace and Jean Bart a run for her money regarding speed but trades less barrels than the first and a worse layout than the other. This ship again retains the 420s from Pappenheim, which are the imperial ones, with an only L45 length. I suppose they could behave as a mix between the 406 of North Carolina and the Bismarck ones. They would have better gun velocity and turning characteristics but lacking the penetration of the US heavy rounds. 

 

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Tier IX

 

HP A hull 65800

HP B hull 76900

Armor: 350 mm main belt 

There is not a Böshung

 

Main battery:

4x2 420 mm L45  Reload 30 secs 

Turning speed 45 secs 

Range GFCS 1 20900m

Range GFCS 2 23300m

 

Secondary guns:  A and B hull 4x2 150 mm 8x2 105mm C38 

 

 

AA: 

A hull 8x2 105mm C38 18x2 de 37 mm M41 (modern ones) 6x4 de 20 mm and 9x1 de 20 mm.

B hull 8x2 105mm C38 (not exact as lack of space on deck)  2x2 55mm 1x1 55mm 20x2 37mm (modern ones) 8x4 20mm

 

Speed:

Engine 1  30 kts 

Engine 2 33 kts

 

Rudder shift

A hull 23 secs

B hull 18 secs

 

Concealment: A And B  hull 17100 m

 

Consumables: Standard German BB (no hydro) + catapult + Engine Boost + Main Battery Reload Booster  (MBRB)

 

 

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Tier 10 Not so much a invented ship 

 

At last we arrive to the tier X; The ship that is going to be presented is one of a kind, rivaling even WG’s efforts at creating a suitable candidate. It was difficult choosing a design here, mainly because we did not wanted the easy way of doing a 3x3 420mm mega Shanhorst We also didn’t believe that a 4x2 420mm guns could be enough The ship needed to be unique and at the same time having realism, or some traces of it. We went for a typical WG approach, in a way that we took inspiration from some things and made up the others. In this case, the ship turned out to be quite well placed, if you are to believe in our work that’s it. 

It all started with a real Kaiser Navy project or 2 to be precise; the L21a and L2 BB designs:

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L2 design

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L21a design 

 

They are 5 turreted behemoths, similar to the Amagi, Tosa or Kii of the IJN. But they are BBs and we needed a BC. After much design and retrofit, turns and no end roads, we found a way to retain those 5 turrets but giving the ship a battlecruiser look. The guns were arranged as to allow a good and effective way of engaging the enemy on the forward sector, similar as how the Lyon got her B turret facing forward and not backwards as the plans were drawn. We are all satisfied with the design here shown and as a plus, it also looks a lot like one of the schemes for the old Seydlitz. English community and everyone else who reads this, I have the honor of introducing you the almighty Ludendorff:

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Tier X

HP 95400

 

Armor: 370 mm Main Belt 

There is not a Böshung

 

Main battery: 5x2 420 mm L45

Reload 30 secs

Turning speed 36 segundos 

Range GFCS 1 25100 m

 

Secondary guns:  12x2 128 mm SK C42 

 

AA: 12x2 128 mm SK C42 8x2 55 mm Gerat 4x1 55 mm Gerat 8x4 20 mm 6x2 20 mm 7x1 20 mm

 

Speed: 31,75 kts 

Rudder shift 18 secs

 

Concealment  17500 m

Consumables: Standard German BBs (no hydro) + Engine Boost+ Main Battery Reload Booster (MBRB)

 

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There are some discussions about the Prinz Eitel Friedrich on the forum.

Some players agree that a mobile gunplatform, with precise guns (contrary to the german main BB line) and less protection would be a good concept for (german) BC.

I would not mind if all BC in the game would follow that concept. 

Vanguard basicly works like that, while still quite tough, and I like her.

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Could you use the standard font colour for the spoiler text? Dark letters are hard to read on some forum themes.

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11 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Could you use the standard font colour for the spoiler text? Dark letters are hard to read on some forum themes.

Will try but I do not understand how to put it I’m using iPad What do you mean? 

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Hey great thread with a nice clean structure - and then my favourite topic: Kaiserliche Battlecruisers!

 

Really like what you have done on „von der Tann“. I guess there is little debate about her being T3. I would love to see a premium T3 Blücher though as well :-)

 

With regards to the „traits“ - your suggestion is pretty much in line with WG’s current iteration of Prinz Eitel Friedrich. I am it sure on the AA and concealment thing - my preference would be a “down to earth” line. And I would have loved the Spood Beest Consumable on this line but unfortunately WG expended this on the French BBs.

 

Mobility yes, better accuracy (mix between CA and BB) also reasonable. I would add a reasonable survivability to the mix in contrast to the softer British BCs though. And I would keep good Secondaries cause it’s fun :-)

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18 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Really like what you have done on „von der Tann“. I guess there is little debate about her being T3. I would love to see a premium T3 Blücher though as well :-)

 

Yeah I also want the last big armored cruiser to be tier 3 A substitute for Konig Albert 

 

18 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

And I would have loved the Spood Beest Consumable on this line but unfortunately WG expended this on the French BBs.

Shhhhh!! Don’t spoiler the fun!! It may be there on higher tiers 

 

The survival capabilities should be better than UK school of course That is why for example they will have higher HP than the German BBs at mid tier but having more or less the same as the standard late tier battleships 

As for secondaries, well we thought of them as old old Tirpitz ones If you remember, they were good but lacking range Here is the same Good quality but shorter range than those on BB 

 

Glad you like it so far 

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1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

Could you use the standard font colour for the spoiler text? Dark letters are hard to read on some forum themes.

I tried change it but I think it does not work I think May I have an image about how it looks from your perspective? Then maybe I can improve it :fish_nerv:

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10 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

With regards to the „traits“ - your suggestion is pretty much in line with WG’s current iteration of Prinz Eitel Friedrich. I am it sure on the AA and concealment thing - my preference would be a “down to earth” line. And I would have loved the Spood Beest Consumable on this line but unfortunately WG expended this on the French BBs.

 

Mobility yes, better accuracy (mix between CA and BB) also reasonable. I would add a reasonable survivability to the mix in contrast to the softer British BCs though. And I would keep good Secondaries cause it’s fun :-)

 

We took some inspiration on the Friedrich Eithel, but ironically, we did start the discussion about the german battleships and their gamestyle before the Eithel was announced. So, seeing our idea on a WG ship made us more secure on our choice as the right one for this line, and possibly as the one WG was going to use for ships like these. :Smile_Default:

 

We had the Speed boost consumable in mind, in part because we consider it to be a very usefull skill for a "Battlecrusier style of play" pursuing cruisers, escaping threats and quickly relocating, (just like the henry IV is able to do, just not as fast... :Smile-_tongue:) And as you say, this consumable could have gone to another line of ships... but hey, i dont see why that should exclude this line from having it aswell. 

 

 

Our choice of strengths and weaknesses is a bit mixed, we wanted to make the BC line different from the BB one, yet (somewhat) similar at the same time. So in some regards they will be close, like having good secondaries, but just not long ranged, to try to convince players to use a different gamestyle than the german battleships. :Smile-_tongue:

 

So far im pretty happy that people like our work. :Smile_honoring:

 

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Added tier 5 and 6 Tomorrow will be tier 7 and 8 

 

Hope you are liking it so far 

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Today I had a bad day and so far I only posted tier 7 Tier 8 is coming right up and soon I will update the stats for those The first 2 new ships appear, both based on real ships and both of them has a completely original drawing.

 

Hope you like it and consider sharing your opinions.

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Tier 8 done and ready to rock Ha special new features too! Now editing tier 9 and 10 soon!! Almost there guys!

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Thank you for all the work.

 

I think that a shorter rudder shift time could make the ships interesting (like Vanguard).

Should WG ever decide to use Gneisenau for the BC tree, they need to rework her gameplay.

Precise guns should be the defining point of the BC line, something Gneisenau does not have. She would need to lose something else or there is danger of her becoming too powerful.

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43 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Thank you for all the work.

 

I think that a shorter rudder shift time could make the ships interesting (like Vanguard).

Should WG ever decide to use Gneisenau for the BC tree, they need to rework her gameplay.

Precise guns should be the defining point of the BC line, something Gneisenau does not have. She would need to lose something else or there is danger of her becoming too powerful.

I think that Gneisenau could remain as it is because being an odd duck, being as heavily armored as a BB and sharing that Böshung armor piece that other BCs lack. It could be a case like Kii for the IJN but being a BC “closer” to a BB rather than the other way around.

If not satisfied with that, WG could maybe remove the torps, tune down a bit the secondaries and then make the guns reliable for being within the “gimmick” of the tree. Hopefully, they would choose to retain the Gneis as of now, being the free alternative of Shanhorst, since both of them are clearly, as of now, built for close range quarters.

 

Glad you like it so far! Hope tomorrow is finished and after that I’m going to share it to Notser and Panzer Knacker Who knows, if they do enough publicity we may get them as here! And if you enjoyed it, I can post other “Crystal Balls” like the one for Italian BBs and russian ones (although this last one needs some changes) 

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