Clan Battles: "North" Season - Discussion Thread

[Beardroid91]

Well time is never good for Clanwars, last time was in the middle of the summerbreak people away on vacations, and now Christmas and exam season so yay, also Ranked always gets the best time slots imo. and Clanwars always get shafted with poor timing. 

 

Why not put Ranked on all the big breaks so all the loners who actually still care about Ranked can play it, meanwhile Clanwars could get a much better time slot as it is a TEAM SPORT and not just a one person playing the game...

Also you might want to maybe look at the average age of the players who play your game and then faktor in the school/uni work / exams at summer and winter. 

 

Just an idea to consider WG

[WolfGewehr]

1 hour ago, MrConway said:

We intentionally made this season longer to make sure people had enough of a chance to play.

 

Lets see
 

Season	Start Date	End Date	Days total
1	19.10.2017	21.12.2017	64
2	10.2.2018	16.4.2018 (Monday, so last day excluded)	65
3	30.6.2018	19.8.2018	51
4	28.11.2018	20.1.2019	54

 

If anything, since season 3, you have just made the season shorter. Well, technically you are correct as 4th season is whopping 3 days longer than 3rd one

 

Even if I might not play CBs this season, I also want to say that having CBs during December is just not good as December is such an important month in western cultures. Ranked would be better, as it's individualistic mode so you just need to take into account your own timetable. In CBs you have to arrange the schedules of multiple people to fit so that you can get seven+ guys on at the same time.

[TobiAssho]

2 hours ago, wilkatis_LV said:

Here's a much better way of doing it, sorry that I don't remember who suggested it during the last season:

• B teams rating is locked to the exact same as A teams rating, thus B team fights the same clans as A team would
• B team doesn't lose or gain points, only A team does
• B team doesn't earn the rewards (or B team has much higher requirements for the same rewards) as A team gets for wins in the league due to the "frozen" rank making them safe from falling out of it

That would be playing CB for the sake of playing CB or possibly trying out tactics and seeing how they work in practice, not because you'd like to get 10 wins in a row against Bronze puppies

 

The current alpha and bravo is not ideal but calling something "much better" is interesting. Here are some flaws:

 

1) You idea would prevent clans with 2 different teams with different skill levels to have fun on their inidividual level. Either A has to wait or B gets too strong opponents.

2) B team would not gain any achievements or screw As raiting.
3) Free wins/wintrading possible. If no team loses but the other wins it has a high risk effect for abusing that mechanic.

 

Instead of "much better" I think your idea just has some bigger flaws than the current one. If I remember correctly playing B rating gets you out of the low league MM pretty quickly if your A rating is high enough.

[wilkatis_LV]

8 minutes ago, TobiAssho said:

1) You idea would prevent clans with 2 different teams with different skill levels to have fun on their inidividual level. Either A has to wait or B gets too strong opponents.

Weaker players of the clan being unable to fight at their level while in this clan vs weak clans getting repeatedly stomped into the ground by stronger clans till they lose any willingness to play.

 

I wonder which of those you should go for...

 

10 minutes ago, TobiAssho said:

2) B team would not gain any achievements or screw As raiting.

Yes, the achievements part is intentionally skipped otherwise you could get in Typhoon, switch to B and farm your 30 wins without the risk of dropping out if your WR is too low.

Rest of the missions - like the 2 wins for 30 oil - are perfectly fine on both - A and B - teams.

 

And B team already doesn't screw A teams rating, not the same clans anyway. But the lower rated clans A teams rating who meets the higher rated clans B teams... Yeah, fun times

 

Here's an example for you:

Team X is in mid-Silver, playing their A team. Team Y is in Hurricane, but their B team is mid-Bronze and this is the rating they are playing in this match

Of course, MM has placed these 2 teams against each other.

Y team wipes the floor with X, winning probably with something along the lines of a 7:0

What the game sees is not a Hurricane clan wiping a Silver clan. What it sees is a mid-Bronze wiping a mid-Silver, thus the X teams A rating loses a ton of points as they clearly lost to a "full league weaker opponents".

 

Without the B teams this happens once early on in the season, and with all these good teams being down at the same low ratings there's a good chance they reduce the number of these puppy-stomp games by playing against each other.

But then, as their A ranks climbs are getting slower / reaching their max potential they can start using their B teams to puppy-stomp everything below them once more. Not only this is giving us a 2nd wave of stomps, but the usage of B teams is much more spread out (as teams start doing this at different points not all together) than the early usage of A teams - the same number of teams spread of a larger area means meeting more Bronzies and less B teams of other high-rated clans

 

That right there is a massive difference

 

20 minutes ago, TobiAssho said:

3) Free wins/wintrading possible. If no team loses but the other wins it has a high risk effect for abusing that mechanic.

Yes, B teams laying only against B teams would be even better. But noone will sit in queue for 30min just to get 1 game, so WG will never do it

 

Right now those B teams already screw with A teams. Yes, the top rated ones are fine. But the lower rated clans - getting screwed massively.

 

22 minutes ago, TobiAssho said:

If I remember correctly playing B rating gets you out of the low league MM pretty quickly if your A rating is high enough.

A rating literally didn't matter a single bit, it's a whole new "MatchMaking Rating" you got so the game saw your B team as the rank it was at that point without the slightest influence of your A rating.

With A in Typhoon, B MM was still exactly as you would expect:

• Bronze vs Bronze & Silver
• Silver vs Bronze & Silver & Storm
• Storm vs Sivler & Storm & Typhoon
• Typhoon vs Storm & Typhoon & Hurricane

And I'm willing to bet this hasn't changed a single bit.

 

Oh, and as for "getting out quickly" - 1 team yeah. 10 teams - sure. But basically the whole Storm, Typhoon and Hurricane stomping through those ratings once more.... Even if it's quick that's A LOT of screwed up games that shouldn't have happened.

[rage1750]

Excellent.. 

Glad to be playing ClanWars this side of Christmas @MrConway, that is not sarcasm either.

 

I will have some free time over the Christmas period and no doubt my clan mates will also, always have some time in between eating pigs in blankets (pig wrapped in pig ) to pick up the headset; jump on discord and get together with my clan for some clan wars. 

 

PS.  Top kek on the Stalingrad rental suggestions, no such thing as Christmas miracles 

[makhot]

15 hours ago, wilkatis_LV said:

Lets give Storm, Typhoon and Hurricane players DOUBLE the ability to stomp Bronzies and Silvers, that surely will make fighting more equal!

 

I raised this point before the last season, it got completely proven during the season bcuz of how rampant the B-team sealclubbing ended up being, and you still think that somehow is a good system to keep? Really?

I fully agree. However solving seal clubbing is not quite as straightforward as in your suggestion. Those were good starting points though. Anyway until bravo seal clubbing gets solved I would just remove bravo option altogether. It is ruining fair matchmaking for low to mid tier clans.

[Hot_Loads]

24 minutes ago, makhot said:

I fully agree. However solving seal clubbing is not quite as straightforward as in your suggestion. Those were good starting points though. Anyway until bravo seal clubbing gets solved I would just remove bravo option altogether. It is ruining fair matchmaking for low to mid tier clans.

This is clan battles, its not meant to be "noob friendly" it's end game content for people who are supposed to be experienced players, there will always be a degree of unfairness in any competition but this elo system is the best option to limit the stomps, and I'm saying that as a member of a clan that will occasionally get stomped too 

[Baron_Boneless]

Is my math wrong? Or is the reward section incomplete?

 

"During the "North" Season, players can earn up to 11,000 Steel!"

 

Squall 700 + Gale 1050 + Storm 1000 + Typhoon 3000 + Hurricane 1000 = 6750???

 

 

[konean]

We wouldnt talk about the December or Christmas stuff if the season would last two weeks longer. Pretty much every problem would be solved with it. But no, lets squeez it in to ensure we keep our patch cycle. 

[Hot_Loads]

55 minutes ago, konean said:

We wouldnt talk about the December or Christmas stuff if the season would last two weeks longer. Pretty much every problem would be solved with it. But no, lets squeez it in to ensure we keep our patch cycle. 

To be fair, no matter what time they run it, there will be something in the way, last season it was summer, they can't really win no matter when they run it, someone won't be happy 

[DasTongle]

I am fine with having it over Christmas, traditionaly this was always full with events. Personally the ranked season and the two sprint seasons where a little to much for my taste especially sinde i don't have the time to sink into ranked to grind it out. As @MrConway allready said you can not nail it with everyone, ususally more people do find some more time due to the end of the year and work beeing slow. :)

[T0L0S]

2 hours ago, _Keepo_ said:

To be fair, no matter what time they run it, there will be something in the way, last season it was summer, they can't really win no matter when they run it, someone won't be happy 

What about spring or autumn ?. Summer is one thing, due to people going on holidays etc, but Christmas is an entirely different thing, I would guess at about 80% of the EU celebrate Christmas in one form or another. 

 

This season could have started at the start of October and ended in November. But no, they wanted to shoehorn in pointless events. I mean, the Halloween event is STILL going, yes ?. 

[wilkatis_LV]

4 hours ago, Baron_Boneless said:

Is my math wrong? Or is the reward section incomplete?

 

"During the "North" Season, players can earn up to 11,000 Steel!"

 

Squall 700 + Gale 1050 + Storm 1000 + Typhoon 3000 + Hurricane 1000 = 6750???

(200+500+500)+(300+750+750)+(500+500+2000)+(1000+1000+1000+1000)+(10*100) = 11 000

 

You missed the "reward for completing the mission chain" that you  get for Bronze to Typhoon missions

 

And actually you can get more than 11k - with the Steel Port:

• lvl 1 -> 11 550 steel
• lvl 2 -> 11 770 steel
• lvl 3 -> 12 100 steel

[Baron_Boneless]

14 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said:

(200+500+500)+(300+750+750)+(500+500+2000)+(1000+1000+1000+1000)+(10*100) = 11 000

 

You missed the "reward for completing the mission chain" that you  get for Bronze to Typhoon missions

 

And actually you can get more than 11k - with the Steel Port:

• lvl 1 -> 11 550 steel
• lvl 2 -> 11 770 steel
• lvl 3 -> 12 100 steel

You are right completley missed that, Thanks!

[SkrekkSkjegg]

Nice and great for those in big Clans; but what about Lone Wolfs, or those who don't like being in Guilds/Clans?
The best things handed out only for the best? I've played games longer than most of the averaged WOWs player, but never seen equal negelction of those who prefer being left alone!
It's awfulbadbadfhorriblebad.

[_Sensei_7]

On 11/19/2018 at 2:55 PM, Aotearas said:

CBs over the christmas season, brilliant ...

 

Can I get one of the headhonchos @MrConway, @Tuccy, @Crysantos to pass along the idea that maybe, just maybe, people are looking forward to spending time with families during that time rather than play CBs so it might be beneficial for all parties involved if upcoming competitive events are NOT scheduled over the same time as traditional family festivities?

 

I mean, right now CBs is about the only thing I'm motivated to fire up WoWs for, yet I'll only be able to realistically participate in at most half of that season because I'm sure as hell not going to miss out on spending time with my family.

 

And I'm fairly certain I can't be the only one with that sentiment.

 

 

By the way, this is EXACTLY why people are getting fatigued ... "oh sure, you can visit family and everything, all you do is miss out on those awesome CB rewards if you don't play" ...

Not everyone celebrates Christmas. Just sayin...

[Alzy]

Tier  10  again , how  original...…….

 

[Aotearas]

5 hours ago, Layla_Drr said:

Not everyone celebrates Christmas. Just sayin...

No, only the absolute majority in Europe ...

[Loran_Battle]

On 11/19/2018 at 6:27 PM, WolfGewehr said:

 

Lets see
 

Season	Start Date	End Date	Days total
1	19.10.2017	21.12.2017	64
2	10.2.2018	16.4.2018 (Monday, so last day excluded)	65 
3	30.6.2018	19.8.2018	51 
4	28.11.2018	20.1.2019	54 

  

If anything, since season 3, you have just made the season shorter. Well, technically you are correct as 4th season is whopping 3 days longer than 3rd one

 

So practically we are going to have another season that is 2 weeks shorter. Joy. It is like WG doesn't really wants us to play these CBs.

[LOLAS095]

Really starting today the CLAN WARS?

[DreiFiddy]

1 hour ago, LOLAS095 said:

Really starting today the CLAN WARS?

Yes, it starts today, in 5 hours and 56 minutes from the time of my post.