cv refunds KNOWN (in dubs and creds/free xp. what about the commanders? link edit 2)

[MrWastee]

 

so, this hit me on the interessting info thread.

 

question to me, as i absolutely think about scrapping like almost the whole of my cv fleet when the rework hits, what is about all the effort we did put into the progression of the commanders?

for me this includes 1 captn with 19 pts., 2 with 14 and 1 with 13, so at least 4 in whole. in doubt might 2 more 19pters..... that's a lot of elite commander xp, as like all of em i pushed from 10pts on with elite xp. and i really have no need at all for any of them in other classes (aKa don't need anymore captns in the nations, rather would have put the elite xp on other lines/captns).

 

besides ur opinions on this, i'd really would like to have a statement on this before anything is set in stone, even be it "that's a neg".

 

edit:

the progression logic is the wrong way round imho!!! it should be possible the keep the highest and scrap the ones below, not the other way round! this way i have to keep shokaku if i want to hold haku as well, while if i not own the ranger i can hold my midway though. atm it not seems possible to scrap shokaku and keep haku.... as said, imho, that's utter bollocks!

 

 

edit 2:

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/public-test/cv-rework-changes/

• "All the commanders of aircraft carriers of even tiers retrain and move to new aircraft carriers of even tiers."

 

 

• "All the commanders of aircraft carriers of odd tiers retrain on the new aircraft carriers at a lower tier and are moved to the Reserve."

 

 

• "All aircraft carrier commanders reset their skills."

 

 

• "All the permanent camos of carriers on even tiers are replaced with similar permanent camos with the addition of new aircraft carriers from even tiers.

[...] When you exchange or sell permanent Camos you will be reimbursed in the full value of doubloons."

 

 

 

 

@MrConway

[NothingButTheRain]

I was also wondering about the XP I have on the ships themselves (which for me, basically translates to the XP I collected on my Ryujo for playing it in ops so much).

And also what will happen with any premium permacamo I have on these ships?

 

My guess is the captains get a free reset, but what about sending them to another ship?

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

I'd be curious about any captain with the Manual AA control also. I'd like all of those reset too, because man that skill will be worthless. 

As for the ships, currently i think i'll just be selling/ redeeming free XP for the midway then learning to play on the saipan and essex again. Maybe even back to the lexington

[MrWastee]

to me a simple reset doesnt make up for it. i dont need a bunch of useless ijn captns, i though need the elite xp in other lines. and with the rework coming i kinda wish i never would've spent any elite or free xp on cv lines. no words bout permacamos or premium ships .

[tajj7]

Would be nice if say Coal for example (or maybe even a steal) was an option to trade in for so CV players/owners who didn't like it could trade in for something special.

 

I mean in terms of premiums I don't really want doubloons, what does that get me? I don't really need doubloons.  

 

Premium ships are not bought for their gold value, they are bought for training, credits and something different/special.  If doubloons can't get you that something different/special then you have lost out IMO.

 

Thus an option to get coal/steel would at least mean you could get something different/special.

[ForlornSailor]

5 minutes ago, MrWastee said:

to me a simple reset doesnt make up for it. i dont need a bunch of useless ijn captns, i though need the elite xp in other lines. and with the rework coming i kinda wish i never would've spent any elite or free xp on cv lines. no words bout permacamos . 

 

Imo - all captains, that are on a CV once the rework hits, should be deleted and their XP transfered 1:1 into elite commander XP. This way, you could create a new, similar captain on any ship you´d like. Even a CV. win-win?

[MrWastee]

4 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

Imo - all captains, that are on a CV once the rework hits, should be deleted and their XP transfered 1:1 into elite commander XP. This way, you could create a new, similar captain on any ship you´d like. Even a CV. win-win?

 

only problem which might could occur is some pro who did put a legendary captn on his cv lol. i guess in that case a reset should suffice. full conversion as solution would be my preferred one 4 sure .

[Tyrendian89]

14 minutes ago, tajj7 said:

Would be nice if say Coal for example (or maybe even a steal) was an option to trade in for so CV players/owners who didn't like it could trade in for something special.

 

I mean in terms of premiums I don't really want doubloons, what does that get me? I don't really need doubloons.  

 

Premium ships are not bought for their gold value, they are bought for training, credits and something different/special.  If doubloons can't get you that something different/special then you have lost out IMO.

 

Thus an option to get coal/steel would at least mean you could get something different/special.

which you would then spend on... either completely mundane things like flags, or on premium ships... eh...

[Klopirat]

Vor 34 Minuten, MrWastee sagte:

the progression logic is the wrong way round imho!!

at least in my tech trees I have to reasearch the lower tiers before the higher tiers, so it is very logically that you cannot keep the high tiers researched and the low tiers not...

 

Vor 36 Minuten, MrWastee sagte:

it should be possible the keep the highest and scrap the ones below, not the other way round!

and so this suggestion follows a wrong logic...

[MrWastee]

2 minutes ago, Klopirat said:

at least in my tech trees I have to reasearch the lower tiers before the higher tiers, so it is very logically that you cannot keep the high tiers researched and the low tiers not...

 

and so this suggestion follows a wrong logic...

 

well, that's a matter of perspective i think. that goes if u see it as a total new research progression, which imo it is not. i already did research the trees and would like to keep the t10's... nvm, i might simply scratch the lowtiers after the programm ran out, but that still leaves the question on the commander xp.

 

i'd be forced to keep all cv's if i want to keep my tier 10's, while i not had the option to scratch ships and commanders i never gonna use again, only because i want to keep the fruits of former progression. foul deal imo.

[Uglesett]

30 minutes ago, MrWastee said:

i'd be forced to keep all cv's if i want to keep my tier 10's, while i not had the option to scratch ships and commanders i never gonna use again, only because i want to keep the fruits of former progression. foul deal imo.

You don't have to keep them, you just can't get the xp spent researching them as free exp.

 

I mean, this is a classic "can't have your cake and eat it too" scenario. If you want to actually keep the ship researched, then it works just like any other line (you can sell earlier ships for 50% of purchase cost, but the exp is sunk). It's only if you want the research converted to free exp that you lose access to the ship.

[MrWastee]

5 minutes ago, Uglesett said:

You don't have to keep them, you just can't get the xp spent researching them as free exp.

 

I mean, this is a classic "can't have your cake and eat it too" scenario. If you want to actually keep the ship researched, then it works just like any other line (you can sell earlier ships for 50% of purchase cost, but the exp is sunk). It's only if you want the research converted to free exp that you lose access to the ship.

 

aye, i get that. though i find it to be a foul deal (also as it includes the commanders?). imo, on a re-setup on such a scale, i'd like to have a piece per piece solution. all of this hurts former cv players more than enough already, at least give em some cake.

[ForlornSailor]

33 minutes ago, MrWastee said:

only problem which might could occur is some pro who did put a legendary captn on his cv lol.

 

Eh. good point. Didnt thought of that. :/

[NothingButTheRain]

22 minutes ago, MrWastee said:

all of this hurts former cv players more than enough already, at least give em some cake.

How is turning in all xp back to fxp and giving back all the credit cost not even some cake to you? 

I think this is already quite generous.

1 hour ago, MrWastee said:

i'd be forced to keep all cv's if i want to keep my tier 10's, while i not had the option to scratch ships and commanders i never gonna use again, only because i want to keep the fruits of former progression. foul deal imo.

The entire reason why this converting back into credits and fxp is to fully compensate for people who do not want to continu playing CV.

Anyone who wants to continu play CV obviously won't get anything for free. Either grind them again or just unlock them again with the fxp you received.

If you don't want to play CV anymore, fine, heres fxp so you can unlock an entire different line.

 

You keep the fruits of former progression, you can keep all of it right?

[MrWastee]

7 minutes ago, NothingButTheRain said:

How is turning in all xp back to fxp and giving back all the credit cost not even some cake to you? 

I think this is already quite generous.

The entire reason why this converting back into credits and fxp is to fully compensate for people who do not want to continu playing CV.

Anyone who wants to continu play CV obviously won't get anything for free. Either grind them again or just unlock them again with the fxp you received.

If you don't want to play CV anymore, fine, heres fxp so you can unlock an entire different line.

 

You keep the fruits of former progression, you can keep all of it right?

 

well yeah... ok, just scrap that (though i still liked to eat the cake so to say ;P :D). #worthatry

[DanSilverwing]

Um, any idea if the XP refund includes the XP cost of researching the modules, or just the stock ships themselves?

 

I'm personally going to keep all mine anyway, even if they end up being port queens.

[GA_Tirpitz]

Vor 12 Stunden, ForlornSailor sagte:

 

Imo - all captains, that are on a CV once the rework hits, should be deleted and their XP transfered 1:1 into elite commander XP. This way, you could create a new, similar captain on any ship you´d like. Even a CV. win-win?

So sounds good with just a little catch... Those that keep their CV are f***ed. I even suppose a lot of people just dedusted their CVs yet to make more exchange profit. Saw a lot of flying potatos lately.

 

Vor 2 Stunden, DanSilverwing sagte:

Um, any idea if the XP refund includes the XP cost of researching the modules, or just the stock ships themselves?

I guess with modules but for sure not the gathered "Elite ship XP" (some people aparently believe in the latter too)

[Pikkozoikum]

13 hours ago, MrWastee said:

to me a simple reset doesnt make up for it. i dont need a bunch of useless ijn captns, i though need the elite xp in other lines. and with the rework coming i kinda wish i never would've spent any elite or free xp on cv lines. no words bout permacamos or premium ships .

I'm just wondering... you regret it, so you had no fun with those captains and stuff all the time?

 

I mean at some point you will stop playing CV. No matter if it's because the rework or if it's because the game gets too old and boring. It should be more about the time that you had fun. If I had a lot fun the last 3 years with CV, I wouldn't regret it... but maybe it's just me...

 

 

Also it says, that you get the free exp for the silver ships. I mean games like WoWs will always change and I guess that Wargaming don't have to give anybody something back because they change something, it's kinda nice that they offer this option

 

13 hours ago, MrWastee said:

the progression logic is the wrong way round imho!!! it should be possible the keep the highest and scrap the ones below, not the other way round! this way i have to keep shokaku if i want to hold haku as well, while if i not own the ranger i can hold my midway though. atm it not seems possible to scrap shokaku and keep haku.... as said, imho, that's utter bollocks!

The refund is for people, who don't like the rework. So instead of the progression, you could have the regression, which starts of course with the highest. The same way backwards. Otherwise people will do exactly do that, they would keep the high tiers and sell the low tiers for earn some stuff. If someone doesn't like the rework, why keeping then the high tiers?

 

 

[ForlornSailor]

35 minutes ago, GA_Tirpitz said:

So sounds good with just a little catch... Those that keep their CV are f***ed.

 

And why exactly would they be effed? You can just go and create the exact same captain again, if you want to...

[GA_Tirpitz]

Vor 26 Minuten, ForlornSailor sagte:

And why exactly would they be effed? You can just go and create the exact same captain again, if you want to...

And the same ship, too since it is scrapped with the captain? So maybe 1 should be more explicid:

 

We Take player A (currently having 2 T7 und 2 T8 CVs)  and we got Player B (having all CVs)

 

 Player A wants to quit all CVs, Player B wants to keep T8-T10 for ranked and other competitive, and T6 or T7 for scenarios/ sealclubbing.

 

What Player A does:

Buying now all CVs T4-T6 because he wil cash back the credits anyway but such will gain free XP as a side effect, he even can put unwanted low lvl captains on the ship without training them in to be rewarded Elite Captain XP a top, he even can take captains from ships he barely uses to but them on the CV to turn into Elite Captain XP, since he eventually can rebuild the captains again later if needed. Even more he can put a 19pt captain from say Omaha on langley to later convert it into a 19pt captain on any other US ship without needing to train him in. (That actually would be my first plan if that Captain XP refund would be made true, works even out positive if you need to buy T4 and T5 with free XP, because it's still cheaper than moving a captain old fashioned way)

 

 

What Player B can do:

 

Plan 1 (wait for rework)

Well he can resell his entire fleet and research it again without loss (except for the loss of time) maybe he loses some credits on modules, hull and upgrades if it's not a 100% refund. (Okay he just will buy the CVs he want and not those in between.) Maybe it's not a 100% free XP refund and he will lose free XP, too. Maybe Wargaming is whitty enough to put a ban od say 6 month or repurchasing CVs once refunded? A lot of maybes but the sketchy announcement doesn't give any clues for the time beeing. So Player B has quite a high risk of losing.

 

Plan 2 (before rework)

Selling off all unwanted ships now without getting any refund.

 

So you see Player B already has nothing to win when it just comes to mere vessels while taking some risk and losing a lot of time following Plan 1 to convbert some captains too.

 

On the other hand player A can just win, maybe not 100% but even 80% refund would gain 80% win on Free XP, plus no risks with the captains.

 

So anyone who want's to quit CV should make sure that he got all CVs in port up to the current tier he runs.

 

Those that never played CV should at least get the T4 to convert BB xp into free XP at the expense of some credits.

 

Player B can only take pride in his loyalty to CVs.

 

 

 

[Captain_Singleton]

34 minutes ago, GA_Tirpitz said:

he even can put unwanted low lvl captains on the ship without training them in to be rewarded Elite Captain XP a top, he even can take captains from ships he barely uses to but them on the CV to turn into Elite Captain XP, since he eventually can rebuild the captains again later if needed.

i doubt very much you will get elite commander xp, it will probably be a free re-spec and re-assignement.

[therealVanquisher]

This reads, as if someone who researched / played his CV Trees far up, and decides to scrap / reset them all will get a MASSIVE Free-XP input. Hmm... This appears to be a good option even if you like the new CV rework.

[Sir_Grzegorz]

They cannot compensate silver ships with coal/steel just because I (and probably others) would gladly exchange all my CV into coal/steel and just grind them from the bottom/free XP. I am waiting for someone to post what is the best thing to do, and as in IJN I am on T8 should I buy T9 and T10? In US I have all CV in port, and I do have all premium ones. Exchanging them into freeXP/silver/doublons is just waste of time, at some point in this game you have much too much of that. For some people it could be an option but players with long history probably will agree.

P.S. You do not want to check my stats in them :D

P.S.S. Makes me wonder what will happen to the stats they will get marked with (OLD) and new ones will have new stats?

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

17 hours ago, MrWastee said:

 

so, this hit me on the interessting info thread.

 

question to me, as i absolutely think about scrapping like almost the whole of my cv fleet when the rework hits, what is about all the effort we did put into the progression of the commanders?

for me this includes 1 captn with 19 pts., 2 with 14 and 1 with 13, so at least 4 in whole. in doubt might 2 more 19pters..... that's a lot of elite commander xp, as like all of em i pushed from 10pts on with elite xp. and i really have no need at all for any of them in other classes (aKa don't need anymore captns in the nations, rather would have put the elite xp on other lines/captns).

 

besides ur opinions on this, i'd really would like to have a statement on this before anything is set in stone, even be it "that's a neg".

 

edit:

the progression logic is the wrong way round imho!!! it should be possible the keep the highest and scrap the ones below, not the other way round! this way i have to keep shokaku if i want to hold haku as well, while if i not own the ranger i can hold my midway though. atm it not seems possible to scrap shokaku and keep haku.... as said, imho, that's utter bollocks!

 

 

@MrConway

 

You have an incomplete image there. 

 

Here is the complete one from the presentation (look at the last point):

 

 

That means we will at least get a reset. But yeah, EliteXP instead would be more fair. 

[Profilus]

16 hours ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

I'd be curious about any captain with the Manual AA control also. I'd like all of those reset too, because man that skill will be worthless. 

As worthless as my Kidd. Will Kidd also be refunded because its useless without full AA build(with manual AA ofc) and what's the point with endless planes?.
@MrConway