Witch ship is better, (fletcher or jutland)

[Cmdr_Venom]

Hello and goodmorning start this topic becaus, wanted to see what you guys think and have to say about it, discussion about witch dd would be better, fletcher or jutland, my personal experiance iam not a bigg fan of the jutland, its slow verry sluggy in moving to, on the other hand it has hydro, heal, and inproved ap shells well thats what they say, my own opinion i think fletcher is way better, it feels more like a dd, down site less fire chance than the jutland and and each turret has only 1 gun witch jutland has 2 but stil like the fletcher more anyways realy wonder wuat you guys have to say about, greats 

[AnEvilJoke]

26 minutes ago, Cmdr_Venom said:

Witch ship is better, (fletcher or jutland)

 

There is only one "Witch Ship", U.S.S. Salem.

[ColonelPete]

Depends on your playstile.

Fletcher is the superior torpedo boat.

Jutland is the superior gunboat.

[Cmdr_Venom]

I think you missed the topic right here, soo wont blame you but before you comment reed the topic, salem is a cruiser i dont and wil never play usa camping ships

[Cmdr_Venom]

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Depends on your playstile.

Fletcher is the superior torpedo boat.

Jutland is the superior gunboat.

True, but torps are pretty solid on the jutland to, 10km witch fletcher has to if ami not mistaking, plus saw that video of the jutland made by notser, and he says also with this defence dd jutland, you need to camp witch i realy hate, we have already enough camping usa cruisers, Alfonso's dont do any thing else than that just saying

[Cmdr_Venom]

8 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Depends on your playstile.

Fletcher is the superior torpedo boat.

Jutland is the superior gunboat.

Plus also what i dont understand is this, you say jutland is superior gun boat mabye you right, but fletcher has 130mm guns and jutland has 113mm witch normal does less dmg than 130mm of the fletcher plus the reload of the flechter is insane

[DanSilverwing]

7 minutes ago, Cmdr_Venom said:

I think you missed the topic right here, soo wont blame you but before you comment reed the topic, salem is a cruiser i dont and wil never play usa camping ships

Obviously too early for jokes.

 

This is Salem's seal:

 

 

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Salem_(CA-139)_crest_1949.png

 

aka "Sea Witch", because what is Salem, Massachusetts, known for? 

[22cm]

4 minutes ago, DanSilverwing said:

Obviously too early for jokes.

 

This is Salem's seal:

 

 

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Salem_(CA-139)_crest_1949.png

 

aka "Sea Witch", because what is Salem, Massachusetts, known for? 

Culture is overrated. Computer games are not. 

[ColonelPete]

12 minutes ago, Cmdr_Venom said:

Plus also what i dont understand is this, you say jutland is superior gun boat mabye you right, but fletcher has 130mm guns and jutland has 113mm witch normal does less dmg than 130mm of the fletcher plus the reload of the flechter is insane

Fletcher has 127mm guns. Her DPM is much lower.

Jutlands HE needs IFHE to be effective, but her AP is far superior (Fuse threshhold, ricochet angles).

 

Fletcher torps do much more damage, reload much faster, are slighlty faster and have slightly more range.

[Juanx]

18 minutes ago, Cmdr_Venom said:

I think you missed the topic right here, soo wont blame you but before you comment reed the topic, salem is a cruiser i dont and wil never play usa camping ships

 

It flew so high above your head, its now on escape trajectory from the solar system heading towards pleiades.

[BeauNidl3]

10 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Fletcher has 127mm guns. Her DPM is much lower.

Jutlands HE needs IFHE to be effective, but her AP is far superior (Fuse threshhold, ricochet angles).

 

Fletcher torps do more much damage, reload much faster, are slighlty faster and have slightly more range.

Fair evaluation.

 

I have BOTH Fletcher and Jutland, they play quite differently as you said. Jutland is fundamentally a gunboat with small guns that have very good AP shells with special ricochet rules, the HE requires IFHE to be workable unless you just use the HE for starting a few fires and stick to AP for most uses (which is exactly what I do).

 

Fletcher is a very flexible torp boat with good guns as backup, excellent smoke for supporting teams and defensive AA as an option instead of speed boost.

 

To say Jutland needs to camp is a misconception, I greatly respect Notser's opinion, he's a damn good player and his videos and stream are informative, I doubt he said it's a camper as it's a really good hunter-killer, scout and capper.

 

Personally I like both ships, if I was forced to chose only 1 I'm really not sure which I'd go for and as a stepping stone the Gearing and Daring both have their own strengths and weaknesses.

[anonym_mlJIAFnOwMVb]

play. style.

[AnEvilJoke]

3 hours ago, Cmdr_Venom said:

I think you missed the topic right here, soo wont blame you but before you comment reed the topic, salem is a cruiser i dont and wil never play usa camping ships

 

 

2 hours ago, Juanx said:

 

It flew so high above your head, its now on escape trajectory from the solar system heading towards pleiades.

 

[Tin_Kan]

3 hours ago, Juanx said:

 

It flew so high above your head, its now on escape trajectory from the solar system heading towards pleiades.

On a broomstick of course....

[Verblonde]

4 hours ago, Cmdr_Venom said:

jutland has 113mm witch

That's quite a small witch; I would expect the average to be around five-five and a half feet...?

[Juanx]

37 minutes ago, Tin_Kan said:

On a broomstick of course....

 

Well its a witch ship innit... 

[Tin_Kan]

39 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

That's quite a small witch; I would expect the average to be around five-five and a half feet...?

Thread carefully, the heightism police are known to patrol these waters...now judging wand sizes, that's an entirely different matter...

[AndyHill]

The only thing Jutland and Daring AP has going for it is the 7.5% extra anti-ricochet angle. The penetration and muzzle velocity are rather pathetic, losing significantly even to their US / PA counterparts. They are for example incapable of punching through UK CL citadel armor at pretty much any range. Interestingly, when you go from T8 Lightning to T9 Jutland, you gain that 7.5% extra anti-bounce angle, but you lose about 50% of your AP pen.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, AndyHill said:

The only thing Jutland and Daring AP has going for it is the 7.5% extra anti-ricochet angle. The penetration and muzzle velocity are rather pathetic, losing significantly even to their US / PA counterparts. They are for example incapable of punching through UK CL citadel armor at pretty much any range. Interestingly, when you go from T8 Lightning to T9 Jutland, you gain that 7.5% extra anti-bounce angle, but you lose about 50% of your AP pen.

You do not need much pen, when you get full pens on the superstructure. Base Damage per shell is the same...

[Shadeshots]

Both are good you cant really compare them as both ships play to certain strengths.

[Hedgehog1963]

Well you're only going to acquire Fetcher or Jutland because you want to get Gearing or Daring.  So I'd be more concerned about which of the Tier X DDs I wanted.

[Yedwy]

Fletch is more relaxing to play, jutland takes more care to position properly and use that sap to its advantage, imo both are keepers

[chazwozza]

Fletcher as Jutland is wank

[AnotherDuck]

9 hours ago, Hedgehog1963 said:

Well you're only going to acquire Fetcher or Jutland because you want to get Gearing or Daring.  So I'd be more concerned about which of the Tier X DDs I wanted.

Not quite sure about that. A lot of people prefer Fletcher over Gearing.

[Kysmet]

The Fletcher is the better ship. It has no dead angles for it isn't guns, it has better torpedoes and is more agile. That doesn't make the Jutland a bad ship, though. Jutland is good at defending a spot, but a Fletcher can both attack and defend.