Jean Bart – a Tier 9 in the Premium Shop?

[Hayashio]

Jean Bart – a Tier 9 in the Premium Shop?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Shop link:

https://eu.wargaming.net/shop/wows/filter/?cd=3751753552

Already ongoing Discussion thread:

 

I have had a lot of things to take care of as of lately, so I wasn’t able to do a lot of World of Warships content. As I’m finally able to come back to writing, I feel that I cannot leave this subject unaddressed.

Now, to address the actual topic at hand today: Jean Bart’s Appearance in the Premium Shop. As a long time player of the game, I’ve been thinking, for some time, about how to deal with the current situation, what to think of this move.

Firstly, I have to think back to things that have been said in the past. I do believe it was mentioned by someone that World of Warships would not have tier 8+ premium ships being sold on grounds of a prior patch-note regarding USS Missouri:

[Maintenance] Version 0.5.15.1   Unlike other Premium ships, the Missouri cannot be purchased through the Premium Shop and may only be acquired by using Free EXP.   Why you ask? USS Missouri is a Tier IX warship. Which means her owners will be facing one of the toughest battles in the game along with other battle-hardened veterans. Using this method, we can mitigate the risk of inexperienced players  being easy prey for other players.

[Clarification: This was entirely in regards to USS Missouri, which leads it's use to be questionable to begin with, as it is a completely different ship.]

However I feel that this is more of a problem with the fact that we people have something like this statement presented to us, and now we’re being told the opposite. Suddenly it’s fine to have a Tier 9 premium in the shop, it’s okay to spend money to get into Tier 9. So really, is it the fact that we cannot take anything WG says as face value?

It's important to keep in mind that we're talking isolated cases here, and we must not rush to see them as "company policy". The fact that Missouri was not released in the premium shop was a decision made for that particular ship, despite the fact that statements like "her owners will be facing one of the toughest battles in the game along with other battle-hardened veterans" and "mitigate the risk of inexperienced players being easy prey for other players" can be translated to other ships, like the Jean Bart. Leading me on to my second point.

Secondly, We have the problem of player quality. Anyone can just go to the premium shop, drop 50-90 euros on a Premium ship and enter the game with not experience what-so-ever.

Well, yes and no. Firstly, new player will not be able to join Random matches until he reaches at LEAST level 3. And even then, will he know how to access random battles?

It’s been 3 years, but I still remember the first time I played world of warships, it took me a little time before realizing that I was playing against bots. Obviously you cannot trivialize the matter like that, not every new player is going to be as ignorant as I was, some will read the tips, some will familiarize themselves with the UI, and know exactly what to do when the time comes for them to be let loose on other players. But still. If we’re addressing player quality, we can exclude an amount of players that will not care, or not know how to enter the “real” World of Warships.

As for the rest, well, you’ve seen it yourselves. This game has been out for 3 years, and while it’s nice to imagine that the T10 bracket is only comprised of high skill players, that’s both unrealistic, and probably not something most people would want.

It is a fact that you don’t need to learn the basics to progress in this game. It makes grinding a whole lot easier, but there’s nothing that forces a player to learn the game unless he wants to. eventually, even the least skilled player can work his way up to tier 10, even if he is completely resistant to any attempts at teaching him how to play better.

So no, the addition of a T9 premium will not be the nail in the coffin for World of Warships in that sense. Perhaps an eyesore to see on your team, not knowing whether the owner knows what he’s doing or not, but there are plentiful ships we already have that with.

To summarize, the two major problems I see at the moment:

The fact that WG has sent out contradictory statements. There is no defense for this, as this holds true however way you look at it (not ignoring the fact that this isn’t the only time, for better or for worse). So if it's an issue of trust - well in that case I can't do anything about that. I understand that players might be upset by the fact that WG changes their opinion on things they once seemed to feel so strongly about.

And the second thing is, of course, the problematics of having a tier 9 premium ship to be let loose on the masses, to which I have hopefully given a little insight to why I don't consider it as big of a problem, realistically speaking.

A lot has happened this year in my favourite boat game, many things I didn’t feel to happy about, but also a lot of welcomed changes. Jean Bart is an experiment, whether it’s a good or a bad experiment, only time will tell. I do not ask of you guys to not blow it out of proportions. That’s a silly request, because for one it demeans how strongly you feel about this subject, but also because I think all forms of feedback are important. WG will know if what they’ve put out was a mistake, or not, and what you guys will have to say has a huge impact on that, as you know. So go ahead, talk, talk, talk! Whether it’s reddit, in the comment section on YouTube videos, talking to people on streams, or here in the forums.

 

Strefs out.

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

Jean Bart is meh anyway, buy the Musashi. Bigger guns, can overmatch anything and is actually a Tier X at Tier 9.

[Hayashio]

5 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

Jean Bart is meh anyway, buy the Musashi. Bigger guns, can overmatch anything and is actually a Tier X at Tier 9.

 

It's much less about the ship, than how it was released, I believe.

[ColonelPete]

You could use the other threads....

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

5 minutes ago, Strefs said:

 

It's much less about the ship, than how it was released, I believe.

Hmm Strefs, I see your gripe but at the end of the day its all about money! Asking a company not to make money is tantamount to financial suicide, its like saying to an oil company don't sell petrol because its destroying the planet. Such concerns are irrelevant in the face key company goals which is revenue, effects on game-play or MM are also not of a concern to them.

 

 

[Miscommunication_dept]

Waiting for the Alaska.

If it's free xp I may think about the Jean Bart again.

[Aotearas]

2 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

its like saying to an oil company dont sell petrol because its destroying the planet

This has to be one of the worst analogies I've read in a while, unless you specifically meant to undermine your own argument.

[TobiAssho]

Do you guys really think that we have hundreds of new players that say:
"Hey, NOW is the right time to start playing WoWs, because there is a T9 Premium I can buy for 65€!"

 

There will be some new players that cant use the tool they get, but there are already enough at T8-10 that can play properly so they wont show up that much.

[_DeathWing_]

Welp, it's not the first time WG breaks a promise. Right? 

[radius77]

The future of WoWs

 

Missouri

Bourgone

Alaska

and soon

Steel

 

 

 

 

[Hayashio]

5 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

Hmm Strefs, I see your gripe but at the end of the day its all about money!

 

By no means am I griping. I understand the fact that a company needs to have income to sustain itself. After all people can't work for free. I was mostly addressing the overall situation at hand.

 

 

 

[Prospect_b]

Well of course they are selling premium tier 9s now - they ruined tier 8 which is where their "normal" high tier premiums are, so better make offers that might look tempting still.

 

And as WG lying straight in our faces... Yes, and snow is white and water is wet.

[Exocet6951]

Guys, I'm selling pitchforks and torches. 

 

Special discount on the package.. Obviously not available for doubloons. 

 

 

 

 

 

[tajj7]

Water is not wet as it is a liquid, water gets other things wet. 

 

Anyway, is the JB actually any good? Are there finalised reviews out there? 

[Prospect_b]

1 minute ago, Exocet6951 said:

Obviously not available for doubloons. 

Clever guy - doubloons have been powercrept - hard.

[FIow3rPow3r]

4 minutes ago, _DeathWing_ said:

Welp, it's not the first time WG breaks a promise. Right?  



 

Someone still remember when WG promised us to unify WG accounts and then they left us with doubloons!?
That is another [edited] added to the equation…

soon there will be only noobs playing, the number of normal players is constantly dropping

[Aragathor]

If WG had communicated this all in advance, the reaction woudln't be as harsh as it is now. Hell, they could have just put up an article called "change to premium ship policy" and they would end up smelling like roses.

Instead we have people rightfully asking whether anything WG says has any value. And the answer is, no. WG is moving the goal posts, changing the rules, and not caring to communicate it in any way to us.

It's totally not going to bite them in the a$$...

[Shaka_D]

At least it's available for coal, even if it takes me 10 years to collect enough to buy it, but I m not paying anywhere near that much money for a ship ever again, I don't care how long they took to make it, and I'd question the mindset of anyone who does.

[CptBarney]

Im waiting for them to do this in world of tanks.

 

Golden tier 9 defender anyone?

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

31 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

This has to be one of the worst analogies I've read in a while, unless you specifically meant to undermine your own argument.

You are merely mortal, but you are forgiven for misunderstanding concepts that are beyond you.

 

The argument is analogous because the whole problem here is about new players being given access to high tier ships without knowledge of how to use them and thus their impact / or lack of it in-game could be profound something WG has totally disregarded as they put the ship up for sale anyway.

 

Impact vs Gain!!! Gain wins here, Capitalism 101

[fumtu]

17 minutes ago, tajj7 said:

Anyway, is the JB actually any good? Are there finalised reviews out there? 

 

From LWM

 

http://shipcomrade.com/?p=1572

 

Only thing that changed since then, officially, is the MBRB duration was reduced from 30sec to 20sec. And watching some other CCs playing it, while some are not satisfied how JB is balanced, all of them think that JB is a good ship. At least those I watch.

[Bortasqu]

Totally didn't see that comming from WG.

Soon, complete new players can buy T10, and WG will be one step closer to becomming EA.

[Darth_Glorious]

"In short, we want to test the depth of our playerbase 's wallet" .

[Rick_Hunter]

At least this BB can't torp his teammates. So what do you moan about 

[Shaka_D]

9 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

You are merely mortal, but you are forgiven for misunderstanding concepts that are beyond you.

 

The argument is analogous because the whole problem here is about new players being given access to high tier ships without knowledge of how to use them and thus their impact / or lack of it in-game could be profound something WG has totally disregarded as they put the ship up for sale anyway.

 

Impact vs Gain!!! Gain wins here, Capitalism 101

True, but the manner in which 'gain' is achieved is not without limits. Even criminal behaviour can be seen as impact versus gain. Your original analogy can be analogised itself with things like 'Telling a drug dealer to stop selling drugs because they are bad'. Just because a business has intent to make money does not mean the manner in which they do so or choose to do so is ethical, or correct.