Salem Radar

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

Hello everyone,

 

Yesterday i bought the USS Salem, using my 180k saved up coal. Seems like a coal ship- but theres one downside that i hadnt quite looked into. 

 

I know, its dumb and all, but: i forgot to take a proper look at the details of the consumables. I only looked at the layout before, which would sensibly be:

Damage control

Def AA

Radar

repair

 

So, turns out the repair is pretty darn sweet. 
On the other hand though, the radar is a downright abomination- equal to the Atlanta. Why isn't the radar a standard tier 10 US radar? 
I mean i could use the hydro instead, but generally radar is a more valid choice. 

Does anyone know if there are plans to change this? 

 

I mean im quite sure i will like the ship anyway; it just seems really odd to me

Grtz I_Y

[MrWastee]

5 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

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So, turns out the repair is pretty darn sweet. 
On the other hand though, the radar [...].

 

Does anyone know if there are plans to change this? 

 

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u gave ur own answer (which is "balans" comrad... or even rather balance in this case lol).... and: no.

[hgbn_dk]

Because you got that sweet heal... When you buff something you need to nerf something else to keep the balance

[Episparh]

If you want a proper radar - grind Das Meme

[Captain_Singleton]

why do people buy ships (prems and specials) without looking at the reviews of them first...

[Blixies]

13 minutes ago, Salentine said:

why do people buy ships (prems and specials) without looking at the reviews of them first...

So we can get entertained on the forum, is one of the reasons.

[Wizard27_1979]

43 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Does anyone know if there are plans to change this? 

Yes, no there are no plans. That differenciates her from Des Moines - it's some kind of "alternative gameplay" to DM.

[GarrusBrutus]

Would be pretty OP now wouldn't it? Same ship as DM with a straight up better heal.....

[iJoby]

1 hour ago, Salentine said:

why do people buy ships (prems and specials) without looking at the reviews of them first...

@Salentine makes a perfect point.

Watch videos, look for reviews, distinguish whether the ship and it's stats, that you are about to part with your hard-earned resource/money for, will fit your style of gameplay.

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

If I could swap out that radar for the spotter plane I would have been sailing a Salem right now :3

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

5 minutes ago, LemonadeWarrior said:

If I could swap out that radar for the spotter plane I would have been sailing a Salem right now :3

 

Indeed. 

I actually know quite a few people who would get the Salem, if it could take spotter plane instead of radar. 

 

Because then we could play it totally different than our DM. 

 

Spotter plane and super heal would fit a kind of "open water" approach way better. 

 

Don't know if they're aware of our needs here, 

 

@MrConway

[Migantium_Mashum]

I have on occasion worked side by side with a Salem.. They are good ships to work with, I don't have one yet, so it could be that you haven't gained enough experience in her to know her full capabilities..

[DFens_666]

16 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Indeed. 

I actually know quite a few people who would get the Salem, if it could take spotter plane instead of radar. 

 

Because then we could play it totally different than our DM. 

 

Spotter plane and super heal would fit a kind of "open water" approach way better. 

 

Don't know if they're aware of our needs here, 

 

@MrConway

 

Am i missing something? I wouldnt need that at all, or maybe im just weird

Basicly the Spotter plane equals the Range mod, but not permanently. If you take spotter, you could take reload mod - but imo thats not really necessary.

The other option would be to play with spotter and range, but why shoot more than 20km?

[WashedandDeceased]

35 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Indeed. 

I actually know quite a few people who would get the Salem, if it could take spotter plane instead of radar. 

 

Because then we could play it totally different than our DM. 

 

Spotter plane and super heal would fit a kind of "open water" approach way better. 

 

Don't know if they're aware of our needs here, 

 

@MrConway

 

But.. But..  Salem was launched without catapults.. Much historical accuracy -_-

 

[fumtu]

25 minutes ago, Freyr_90 said:

But.. But..  Salem was launched without catapults.. Much historical accuracy -_-

 

This. USS Salem never had aircraft catapults and even the in game model don't have them so ... no spotter plane. You want DM class cruiser with spotter plane? Then why don't play DM

[dasCKD]

2 hours ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

On the other hand though, the radar is a downright abomination- equal to the Atlanta. Why isn't the radar a standard tier 10 US radar? 

There's no standard US tier X radar. The Salem, Des Moines, and Worcester all run different suites.

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

4 hours ago, Salentine said:

why do people buy ships (prems and specials) without looking at the reviews of them first...

 

3 hours ago, iJoby said:

@Salentine makes a perfect point.

Watch videos, look for reviews, distinguish whether the ship and it's stats, that you are about to part with your hard-earned resource/money for, will fit your style of gameplay.

Well to both of you: i always look at wikis etc, but in this case i was gonna get this ship anyway. So i browsed over the main part of the wiki, but i didnt quite get to the part where it said "atlanta surveillance radar" rather than "surveillance radar". I'm a collector of such ships, i already have the Missouri and Kronshtadt and intend to get the Musashi eventually aswell. In addition; this is a tier 10 premium american ship, so even if it was a terrible ship i'd still really consider getting it. 

I understand the whole balancing thing, but the Salem also has less AA than the DM, plus the DM has an -in my opinion- far more interesting consumable setup than the Salem. 
 

 

5 hours ago, Episparh said:

If you want a proper radar - grind Das Meme

Proper advice, and i definitely will ALSO get the des memes. However, this entire post is not meant to whine about the radar- i'm just quite curious to whats going on. Now i'm getting a bit different feedback, but i guess thats fine. 
Having both will be nice, ill build 1 for guns and 1 for range. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Wizard27_1979 said:

Yes, no there are no plans. That differenciates her from Des Moines - it's some kind of "alternative gameplay" to DM.

Thank you, at least 1 productive reply :)
 

2 hours ago, dasCKD said:

There's no standard US tier X radar. The Salem, Des Moines, and Worcester all run different suites.

The DM can be considered the standard tier X radar, since the worcester has a played down version. So whereas you're right that there are three different ones, there is a sort of standard, right?
The woos had the same DM radar before i think. 
 

 

3 hours ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

I have on occasion worked side by side with a Salem.. They are good ships to work with, I don't have one yet, so it could be that you haven't gained enough experience in her to know her full capabilities..

I mean this is definitely true, and i'm 100% sure i am going to like this ship. However, my original question was actually: why does this thing have this atlanta radar instead of a better/regular (DM or Worcester style) one?

Not so much in that i necessarily feel i should have one, i was just wondering why this choice has been made. 
Especially when you put it to the perspective that a DM may combine radar+hydro, whereas a Salem must choose. A Worcester is even worse: it can do radar+hydro and take defensive AA along with it (okay, Salem will always have def AA, but as mentioned, not radar+hydro). 

So based on the consumable set & it being a tier 10 cruiser i just think its a little strange, thats all. Still think it will be reasonably useful & i'd have gotten the ship anyway.

Also, what Salentine and iJoby said is nonsense; i am not even buying a ship; im using coal to get a tier 10 premium (WGs first, note that) for free. 

 

[HaachamaShipping]

19 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Also, what Salentine and iJoby said is nonsense; i am not even buying a ship; im using coal to get a tier 10 premium (WGs first, note that) for free. 

Coal is still a hard-earned resource and looking up what you get for it prior is still recommended. Lest you end up with threads like this.

[Captain_Singleton]

22 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

 

Well to both of you: i always look at wikis etc, but in this case i was gonna get this ship anyway. So i browsed over the main part of the wiki, but i didnt quite get to the part where it said "atlanta surveillance radar" rather than "surveillance radar". I'm a collector of such ships, i already have the Missouri and Kronshtadt and intend to get the Musashi eventually aswell. In addition; this is a tier 10 premium american ship, so even if it was a terrible ship i'd still really consider getting it. 

Also, what Salentine and iJoby said is nonsense; i am not even buying a ship; im using coal to get a tier 10 premium (WGs first, note that) for free. 
 

the WoWS wiki is run by WG, don't always believe what it says about ships being good or bad, a lot of the youtubers do reviews of the ships, check out little white mouse and others...

 

and second coal isn't exactly plentiful, you worked hard to get it, you should be more careful spending it :P

[tajj7]

Is the heal worth it over the radar? 

[lovelacebeer]

It is purely done to balance the radar against the heal, otherwise it would straight up be better than her tech tree counterpart. If the Salem had the same radar but with a better heal they would need to do something such as nerf the DPM. 

 

Doing it the way they have at least makes the Salem a noticeably different ship to the Des Moines requiring a different play style, I'm sure given time you will get used to it and enjoy her play style. 

[dasCKD]

48 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

The DM can be considered the standard tier X radar, since the worcester has a played down version. So whereas you're right that there are three different ones, there is a sort of standard, right?
The woos had the same DM radar before i think. 

Yes she did, but that was changed as she was deemed too powerful of a ship prior. This means that at present, there can be no American radar at tier X that can be considered the standard.

20 minutes ago, tajj7 said:

Is the heal worth it over the radar? 

With my limited experience, I'd have to give a no. Whilst I thought that a British heal would be great on a less fragile ship, both the Des Moines and Salem are incredibly fragile and prone to full penetrations, something which even the Salem's heal will struggle to contend with. The serviceability boost would be huge boost on the Hindenburg or the Moskva for example, but most of a Des Moine's and consequently the Salem's survivability derives from them hiding behind islands anyways.

[El2aZeR]

Here's an idea:

Replace radar with reload booster.

[Kpt_Silas]

26 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Here's an idea:

Replace radar with reload booster.

The one from first iterations of Le Terrible?  -75% reload time 

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

I will be experimenting with both hydro and radar, but i am planning on using the Salem as a long-range spamming cruiser (already have Mino as DPM spammer). 

The heal vs radar balance makes sense. I guess the heal looks got, experience needs to learn what the truth is.

 

As for whether the coal is worth it: i had 30k when the arsenal came out, so i got to 180 pretty quick. Im not that interested in most other ships, but will get them anyway. Also, buying this ship first im making great use of coupon #1 (#2 arrives around mid-december, but they dont stack). 

While the musashi for instance could be more interesting, i already have a Yamato with K-perma camo, aswell as the missouri. And i can get a mush with free xp....

 

So everyone has their own considerations as to what ships to get.