Good DD players - Asashio - yes or no?

[Pikkozoikum]

A review of this bad dd:

 

 

[antean]

10 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

That's what I'm saying. Common issue is, people "have seens"... but they haven't played it

any other? wtf xD

What!?

#1) Mr 'Right' - I'm never going to play it myself cause I refuse to pay WF any more money (unless they offer to sell us a Clan Flag Slot) &

#2) I've seen an Asashio get deleted instantly = as easy to hit as any other small manoueverable ship &

#3) If I see an enemy Asashio in battle I will attempt to sink it (like any other enemy) as fast as possible if it is anywhere near me (Duh! Mr 'Right')

[Pikkozoikum]

2 minutes ago, antean said:

#2) I've seen an Asashio get deleted instantly = as easy to hit as any other small manoueverable ship &

 

Someone said, she is not small or maneuverable, while I said, she's a small, maneuverable ship. Good that you agree here.

[El2aZeR]

2 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

That's what I'm saying. Common issue is, people "have seens"... but they haven't played it

 

Because clearly having shot at and killed Asashios attempting to dodge and wiggle means nothing.

 

2 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

A review of this bad dd:

 

I knew you'd post that video someday. Too bad that it shows precisely how pathetic the Asashio really is.

 

Imagine if Flamu had been in any other torp DD, say, a Fletcher or, if you really want DW torps, a Chung Mu.

- he would not have needed to run away from the Benson nor rely on his teammates to kill it, taking A instead of having to give it up

- he could've killed that Shimakaze much faster which is important because if the Shima hadn't been dumb enough to ground he would've gotten away fairly clean

- he could've straight up murdered those idiotic cruisers sailing in the middle of nowhere while retaining the same amount or perhaps even more damage on the enemy BBs

 

And thus in general he would've had so much more impact on the match it's not even funny. The video showcases nothing that another decent torp DD wouldn't have been able to do while demonstrating perfectly the ludicrous limitations an Asashio brings with her.

[Pikkozoikum]

4 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Because clearly having shot at and killed Asashios attempting to dodge and wiggle means nothing.

That were potatoes

[antean]

8 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

I knew you'd post that video someday

I suspect Pikkozoikum 'needs' to be right even when he is wrong. I wonder if Pikkozoikum has an Asashio, himself? Yaskaraxx certainly does.

You have to remember, El2aZeR, he even supports the Farce CV rework (just like a good WF 'Zombie')

[El2aZeR]

7 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

That were potatoes

 

Because clearly skill is going to overcome hardcoded limitations. This is like saying skill will help your planes survive against DFAA.

Get real.

 

Regardless of what skill these people possess, they have tried precisely what you have suggested makes Asashio a "difficult" target. They've tried to wiggle and dodge shells.

To say it didn't work against people who can actually aim well is an understatement.

 

And I can assure you that some of these players were much better than you are.

[HaachamaShipping]

2 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

A review of this bad dd:

Worth noting: He says people aren't playing it to its potential. Not that it is actually a good T8 DD.

 

Took you long enough to post it though.

[tsounts]

An Asashio trying to play in the correct way is a very rare sight, the ship has a very unique playstyle but the majority of players just run at the edges of the map and waste too much time trying to torpedo run away battleships not to mention that many players are totally inexperienced and yolo rush into radars, etc.  That's the problem with high tier premium trick ponies they may be very rewarding but their skill cap is rather high for the average player.

[Yaskaraxx]

.....for my fellow players, better just take look at this site: "wows-numbers.com/ships...plain facts shown there u/i today (eu-server):

 

Asashio (VIII)

Battles played = 302.279

WR = 52,18%

Avg dmg= 54.245 (= PURPLE!)

Avg XP = 1.483

 

Asashio B (VIII)

battles played = 24.002

WR = 50,64%

Avg dmg = 52.294 (= PURPLE!)

Avg XP = 1.442

 

...also see earlier postings made (+vid clip above)...says it all...i mean?...

 

(...again, as i earlier stated, Asashio actually faces 1x real enemy only: = teammate Asashio going after it's meals, = so true; so,better skip reading nonsense stuff as posted #338)

[Yaskaraxx]

...tsounts #338.. ....spraying yr toxic chemtrails on topics again?...ahh...why you dont better take yr precious purple stats Montana (X) out randoms & enjoy playing it, till the inevitable moment i sink it!!!...over&over-again...so easy for me Asashio B to do so...so easy...capisce? lol, bye

[El2aZeR]

27 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

plain facts

 

Global statistics are completely worthless for judging the potential match influence of a DD due to the class being extremely punishing when misplayed.

DD play also involves much more than just farming damage, which is why average damage is for the most part a worthless stat in DDs.

Besides, premium/newer DDs usually achieve better stats in general due to obvious factors.

 

If you want to take stats at face value then e.g. most CVs actually need ludicrous buffs, yet anyone with half a brain knows that's not true.

 

And again the video above showcases perfectly why Asashio, like all other high tier IJN torp DDs, is laughably inferior to any other decent hybrid DD.

 

It's funny how you just keep digging your own grave. Literally everything you have so far demonstrated is either inconclusive or points towards Asashio being garbage.

[Jagod]

I think there are some valid points on both sides of this discussion (which has deteriorated to a level at which it almost can't be taken seriously anymore). Not being able to hit DDs and CAs is a strong limitation that severely impacts playstyle and can lead to situations where an Asashio player (e.g. when there are only cruisers and DDs left) cannot effectively influence the game any further.

 

On the other hand the current meta does seem to cater to Asashio's profile and its limitations. Looking at average stats it may be plausible to say it has such a low skill floor that even below average players can perform in her. However looking at the top 10% and top 5% players, Asashio still is #4 out of 14 in terms of winrate with only Kidd, Lightning, Akizuki and Hsienyang being better at T8. At the same time Kagero is the lowest WR DD among Top10/5% players. Judging from these stats it would seem to me, that the ability to reliably damage BBs outweighs the inability to damage cruisers or DDs in the current meta. A similar relation can be observed between the Benson and its DWT counterpart (the Hsienyang), so there may be something to it.

 

Tongue in cheek comment: one could argue that with IJN torpedo detectability as it is now Kagero has an equally small chance of damaging cruisers or DDs

[Pikkozoikum]

5 hours ago, Jagod said:

Tongue in cheek comment: one could argue that with IJN torpedo detectability as it is now Kagero has an equally small chance of damaging cruisers or DDs

That's the point, Asashio has a good chance to hit and destroy bbs. Kagero has a lower chance to hit bbs and even lower cruisers and dds. It doesn'T matter much, when the Asashio can't hit with Torpedos, when all bbs are gone, if the Asashio sunk all the enemy bbs. The Asashio has then the value of multple players. Beside that, dds have still other jobs to do

[Pikkozoikum]

6 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

And again the video above showcases perfectly why Asashio, like all other high tier IJN torp DDs, is laughably inferior to any other decent hybrid DD.

Maybe in a one on one, but it's a team game.

[El2aZeR]

8 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Maybe in a one on one, but it's a team game.

 

I see you didn't read.

15 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

Imagine if Flamu had been in any other torp DD, say, a Fletcher or, if you really want DW torps, a Chung Mu.

- he would not have needed to run away from the Benson nor rely on his teammates to kill it, taking A instead of having to give it up

- he could've killed that Shimakaze much faster which is important because if the Shima hadn't been dumb enough to ground he would've gotten away fairly clean

- he could've straight up murdered those idiotic cruisers sailing in the middle of nowhere while retaining the same amount or perhaps even more damage on the enemy BBs

 

This means that any other decent hybrid DD would've benefited the team much more than an Asashio, aka any other decent hybrid DD would've had much more capability of team play.

 

Besides, Asashio doesn't offer any team utility beyond spotting, which is a job any other better DD can also do while at the same time offering much better anti DD capability without losing out on torpedo power. She offers nothing beyond that.

[Pikkozoikum]

2 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

offering much better

High pressure on BBs, even on those, which are 14+ km away.

Good concealment for outspotting, also allows to smoke up the radar cruiser, since the Asashio doesn't need smoke.

[El2aZeR]

11 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

High pressure on BBs, even on those, which are 14+ km away.

 

Which doesn't matter jack if they know how to WASD. You know, like all long range torps. If there are DDs and/or cruisers between you and the BBs, which is quite often the case, that makes them even more worthless.

 

And if there are 14+km between you and the nearest BB that either means you're already winning or losing, so they have no influence on the outcome of a match. Inside 10km any other torpedo type is preferable due to much higher flexibility in target choice.

 

11 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Good concealment for outspotting

 

Which again any other decent hybrid DD can also do. The only difference is that Asashio herself can't exploit her own concealment, making her worthless in comparison.

 

11 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

also allows to smoke up the radar cruiser

 

Asashio is slow as  which means she will have to babysit said cruiser unlike other DDs which can transition between their allies and the front line. She also possesses standard smoke which is laughably inferior to USN smoke.

Meanwhile all other DDs offer hydro, DFAA and/or weapon utility IN ADDITION to smoke.

[Pikkozoikum]

1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

Which doesn't matter jack if they know how to WASD. You know, like all long range torps. If there are DDs and/or cruisers between you and the BBs, which is quite often the case, that makes them even more worthless.

Said pressure, not killing. Scaring of bbs makes them useless.

 

1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

Which again any other decent hybrid DD can also do. The only difference is that Asashio herself can't exploit her own concealment, making her worthless in comparison.

5.4 km is outspotting the dds. It works, I do that all the time.

 

1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

babysit

I would call it teamplay to get easy kills and advantage over enemy. If I want play solo warrior, I would choose the russian gun destroyer.

 

 

But this all doesn't matter, I perform good with this ships, because of the reasons that I mentioned. I have success with that ship, so I can recommend it.

[Yaskaraxx]

1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

 

 

Which again any other decent hybrid DD can also do. The only difference is that Asashio herself can't exploit her own concealment, making her worthless in comparison.

 

 

 

...sorry...but what state there is a 100% totally nonsense (hilarious comes to mind) statement...no, no, THAT is certainly NOT the King Cobra Ninja Asashio (VIII) i am playing and first hand experiencing...my Asashio HUNTS(!!) lower health dd's (any) viciously &agressively...flushes them out & sinks them + does cappings + has a real nasty puch (even mor after latest buff) for enemy...even takes out cruisers out of smoke under right circumstances (on low health), i mean. so, nahh, I am with the front lines proven brilliant General here, Pikkozoikum, a 100%...all so true & obvious

 

(...now...i kind of realy beginning to think ya DID NOT grasp The Art OF WAR...in anyway...but yeah, ok, you KNOW yr spreadsheets, for sure, that i have ta admit...maybe take another look at above vid..again?)

[Yaskaraxx]

...see...objectively, El2aZeR...yr facing your NO-WAY-OUT-SITUATION here...was inevitable...some call it: CHECKMATE...any which way ya look at it....cheers!

[HaachamaShipping]

3 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

...see...objectively, El2aZeR...yr facing your NO-WAY-OUT-SITUATION here...was inevitable...some call it: CHECKMATE...any wich way ya look at it....cheers!

He's right, El2aZeR. No matter what you say, you cannot penetrate this wall of ignorance. There is no way your time spent responding here will actually pay off.

[antean]

29 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Scaring of bbs makes them useless

you are referring to coward BBs who run - a good BB player enjoys one volley deleting DDs (inc an Asashio) (another pointless & useless comment by Pikkozoikum)

[Pikkozoikum]

3 minutes ago, antean said:

you are referring to coward BBs who run - a good BB player enjoys one volley deleting DDs (inc an Asashio) (another pointless & useless comment by Pikkozoikum)

"pointless & useless".... who is telling that bbs one shot a dd?

Yamato (T10...) max damage 14800, penetration and overpen damage: 1480 * 9 = 13320
Asashio survives that (17,900hp SE). beside the fact, that a Yamato won't hit even the half shells. Oh right, it's nitpicking caring about facts and not spreading lies. 

 

 

Also "A good BB player", that is irrelevant, because most players are potatoes? (a common argumentation here)

 

[Yaskaraxx]

27 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

He's right, El2aZeR. No matter what you say, you cannot penetrate this wall of ignorance. There is no way your time spent responding here will actually pay off.

look, Riselotte, ya know I always did much value yr balanced & objective postings, always did & still do so.

 

I am just an active playing member here (1 out of 30K+)....I went playing Asashio and REALY am convinced Asashio is a truly incredible great ship. So, my very sole reason for being here on topic (sometimes) = to let me fellow players know that Asashio is realy, truly an incredible ship, so, those can choose objectively. Realy, i never at any time could figure out why the likes of El2aZeR spray out all over the place such false negative info about great Asashio? Why?....logically thinking, i can only conclude: those must be main-BB-purple-stats-players which cant "handle a realy changed reality randoms battles with the recent arrival of Mighty Asashio (VIII). In short, just letting me fellow players know the real facts here (kind of: looking back some two years ago, me starting here that time, i certainly would have liked & much appreciated any of my fellow players pointing out at that moment in time the real power premium-ships to look at...i mean?...yeah?)