Good DD players - Asashio - yes or no?

[El2aZeR]

1 minute ago, Zen71_sniper said:

However, in current meta there are usually 4 DDs per game

 

Eh, personally I wouldn't gamble on that. Even when there are more than 2-3 DDs, if you get stuck with e.g. a Khaba and a Haru, both of which will practically never contest caps, you'll deal your team a pretty big blow before the match even starts.

Or with 2 additional Asashios like one of the enemy teams I played against today. That was fun knowing we got a default win. 

[HaachamaShipping]

8 minutes ago, Zen71_sniper said:

That is true. However, in current meta there are usually 4 DDs per game, so it is a risk worth taking IMHO. The bottom line is - you can be still a (very good) teamplayer even in Asashio. Even without div, it might work in Ranked, but in Random, ... well it is too Random and you can't expect much of teamplay....

And Ranked is usually not 4 DD and if it is 4 DD, congrats, You can seriously hurt 0-3 enemy ships (likely 2). Meanwhile ships like Harekaze, Cossack, Kidd or Loyang would be incredible assets in these cases, could still be incredibly useful if the sole DD in the match and at lower ranks can basically solo-carry. I know I did last T8 Ranked with Harekaze and I'm not unicum, but when you actually got guns worth a damn and torps that can hit anything, you really are an asset against any ship.

 

Which also brings me to aforementioned "the DD can dodge". Dodging doesn't kill things. With Asashio, you might kill dumb DDs that chase or utterly terrible cruisers that can't aim. In something like Kidd, Cossack or Harekaze (all ships of equal or better maneuverability), you'd win DD fights most of the time even without kiting and you can actually inflict not insignificant damage on cruisers. Which doesn't mean you can 1v1 competent cruisers, but it needs far less incompetence for the DD to win. Especially something like a Hipper can have real trouble against a Harekaze or Akizuki that penetrates it for raw damage, vs an Asashio that maybe sets a fire at most. Eugen makes that even more pronounced with the repair party, which would negate the damage inflicted by the Asashio in the fight, but would likely not make it more of a threat to the others as it at best equals the scores after we factor in that it has even worse dpm than Hipper.

[Zen71_sniper]

7 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

And Ranked is usually not 4 DD and if it is 4 DD, congrats, You can seriously hurt 0-3 enemy ships (likely 2). Meanwhile ships like Harekaze, Cossack, Kidd or Loyang would be incredible assets in these cases, could still be incredibly useful if the sole DD in the match and at lower ranks can basically solo-carry. I know I did last T8 Ranked with Harekaze and I'm not unicum, but when you actually got guns worth a damn and torps that can hit anything, you really are an asset against any ship.

 

Which also brings me to aforementioned "the DD can dodge". Dodging doesn't kill things. With Asashio, you might kill dumb DDs that chase or utterly terrible cruisers that can't aim. In something like Kidd, Cossack or Harekaze (all ships of equal or better maneuverability), you'd win DD fights most of the time even without kiting and you can actually inflict not insignificant damage on cruisers. Which doesn't mean you can 1v1 competent cruisers, but it needs far less incompetence for the DD to win. Especially something like a Hipper can have real trouble against a Harekaze or Akizuki that penetrates it for raw damage, vs an Asashio that maybe sets a fire at most. Eugen makes that even more pronounced with the repair party, which would negate the damage inflicted by the Asashio in the fight, but would likely not make it more of a threat to the others as it at best equals the scores after we factor in that it has even worse dpm than Hipper.

Miss-understanding here. Mainly because of me not being clear enough. I would never take Asashio to Ranked. I was merely illustrating the required level of teamplay required to make it work. In Ranked there is (usually) more teamplay awareness than in Randoms. So, my mistake for not being clear.

 

 

[Yaskaraxx]

On 12/7/2018 at 2:57 AM, antean said:

this is like a Ping- Pong game, lol.  my money is on El2aZeR

...more Clash of Titans imo...better not interfere with those giants. i am 100% with Pikkozoikum since i realy recognize what he states (=i see same in my own battles, = me as slight above average player doing an immense consistent average of some 64K with king cobra ninja sudden-high-impact-torps-bursting-asashio, says it all to me, aint it?) ) and his shells (comments) in discussion do some 95% heavy pens(!)..whereas El2aZeR is kind of using lots of smokey comments (...but well, yeah = dd topic=smoke involved, lol)...so i would 100% sure put me  money on Pikkozoikum since he comments facts-based backed by his own personal brilliant Asashio stats(!), kind of realy decent person, he doesn't even boast around he is proven ta be real brilliant with Asa (...I would!...but that's me, lol). Seems both have read "The Art of War" (Sun Tzu) for sure = know yrself and know yr enemy, but whereas Pikkozoikum strikes me as the brilliant front-lines-tactician+strategy-general...El2aZer seems to me somewhat more kind of "i read about the ship, studied it, all on paper". In short imho both know all the specifics of the important ingredients involved, still Pikkozoikum proves ta be the only one proven to being able "to bake the perfect pie with those ingredients" (bit of this, bit of that ingredient, how do the ingredients interact with each other & defining the final outcome=  the product as a whole)....no doubt in my mind Pikkozoikum knows and more importantly he proves it all with solid facts. Asashio is a real unique excellent ninja heavy torp launcher that does not fear any other destroyers in game and out- performing most of the other destroyers. Anyway, that's how i see it, just my personal opinion of it all.

 

(...plse dont check my grammer etc....having some nice drinks here...just focuss contents, not the grammar...kind of "do not count the dots but better try to connect the dots...as Pikkozoikum clearly does very excellently!)...bye, going dark now, bye,  & all have fun in randoms battles)

 

 

[antean]

2 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

100% sure put me  money on Pikkozoikum

not me  .  I'm 100% with El2azeR vs Pikkozoikum, if that's the choice.  let the pong-ping or ping-pong begin   .

[Yaskaraxx]

7 minutes ago, antean said:

not me  .  I'm 100% with El2azeR vs Pikkozoikum, if that's the choice.  let the pong-ping or ping-pong begin   .

lol, ok, funny...but back to that great duel: battle already finished and grandmaster (as i truly regard Pikkozoikum being such!, re ninja king cobra asa) left battlefield as clear victor as i see it, seems he doesn't even feel the need to boast around his obvious victory, great mind (if was me, i was him i mean, i would do so, would realy boast my stats all over this topic making all those asa-negatives totally crazy!!!! lol, fun...but, no, it's not me being the grandmaster here: it's Pikkozoikum & he left ...I am just a spectator....must say i learned a lot extra's...couild very well mean my average gonna improve to some 75K????...predict many unicum-players gonna opt for getta be unicum-submarine-capts near future??...lol...kind of kidding here, but the arrival of mighty asa king cobra could result some purple-stats-players doing so, we'll see, lol, future will tell)

[El2aZeR]

1 hour ago, Yaskaraxx said:

i am 100% with Pikkozoikum

 

It's good to know I'm right.

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, Yaskaraxx said:

bye, going dark now, bye,  & all have fun in randoms battles)

It's funny how people say that, then return instantly for another reply. Shows how much substance is behind the words...

[Yaskaraxx]

15 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

It's funny how people say that, then return instantly for another reply. Shows how much substance is behind the words...

...ahh, no, that's not it, i am just 1 out of 30k+ players active here...& yeah, there are times i consume somewhat more drinks red wines than other times (talking having some entertainment real fun random battles  here, for sure)...but at those times i figure: i better go dark for forums, better (=not commenting on forums or so ...though still excellently performing for myself each battle randoms-solo asa king cobra doing even in the incredible difficult battles 75K for sure, doing great for my team, just having some fun, great)....but, i mean, some times i better just play & not go forums-postings. Stays: my last 2x posting are 100% correct!..= for sure...& yes Pikkozoikum i realy regard as brilliant/great!...= example for the many (= fact-based). that's kind of what i mean to say, i am playing atm, say monday or so ya will see me back forums, maybe, have fun!...as I do, bye & cheers!

 

(btw: my statts asa B are rocketing for the stars, lol, realy....must say stats are not my main goal: battles with asa are simply incredibly great fun!, bye)

[El2aZeR]

11 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

my statts asa B are rocketing for the stars

 

48% WR is "rocketing for the stars" for you, huh?

I guess for someone with 47% average total that must actually look like a huge improvement.

[_DeathWing_]

"me as slight above average player"  

[Yaskaraxx]

55 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

48% WR is "rocketing for the stars" for you, huh?

I guess for someone with 47% average total that must actually look like a huge improvement.

that one i can still answer: look, my very last battle with asa (just finished it) doing some 82.184 damage...king cobra asa fully dominating cap...but...ahh, seeing teammates fleeing (while win is for the easy take????)...am I ta blame??....fcaus not, battles are 12vs12...i mean???...anyway, i played excellent did 265.653 credits net profit (=all costs already deducted incl 4x prem cons)....i mean, I can do excellently well for team...but???...do I blame team? no!!! maybe new players in it just enjoying game (great!!!...let em taste it all...getting the experience!)...I never ever blame team....helicopter-view..i mean: i just watched 24 players havng great fun!!!...that counts (...+ my great credits made!!!...lol, yeah)

[El2aZeR]

3 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

look, my very last battle with asa

 

Your last 58 battles with the Asashio B shows an even worse WR of 41%.

Wanna know the only constant in those battles? Hint: It's between your chair and your keyboard.

[Yaskaraxx]

2 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Your last 58 battles with the Asashio B shows an even worse WR of 41%.

Wanna know the only constant in those battles? Hint: It's between your chair and your keyboard.

...lol...if ya were realy somewhat more intelligent, so ta speak, then you would have gone for my very 1st battle with asashio B which I lost...translated = WR 0,0000%....would have been YOUR real convincing argument??? anyway, ya bring a real smile on my face, such I realy appreciate, for sure, thank you for doing so, ths & cheers ta you!!

 

 

[El2aZeR]

16 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

would have been YOUR real convincing argument???

 

And just 2 weeks ago you tried to spin your "stellar" WR in your Asashio B as representative of your skill when you played only 15 battles in it.

 

But if you want a complete overview of your performance (despite also stating previously that only your recent results are relevant): 

Your overall WR in both Asashio and Asashio B is ~47% in 254 battles played, a fairly sufficient sample size to judge personal performance.

 

Verdict: You remain one of the worst players in this game no matter how you try to spin your tale and your performance in the Asashio reflects that.

[Yaskaraxx]

.....thing is El2aZeR, how do ya gonna convince others its raining while the sun is shining?: only thing they have to do is take a fast look outside themselves....i mean...where is your logics?

 

Asashio B is presently immense popular (I see very, very many in my own battles)= players like it, I DO(!!) and for very sound/obvious reasons...what's wrong with that? Ship is realy unique and has proven all over it's performing excellently & providing great fun/credits/entertainment! So, why do ya even want to battle these proven facts??? so, where is yr logics?  ...doing Mars One Project together with DaethWing?...just guessing here???? 

 

 

 

 

[El2aZeR]

32 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

Asashio B is presently immense popular

 

Likewise is Shimakaze, yet she is by far the worst performing T10 DD.

Popularity has nothing to do with performance which is precisely what is being discussed here. That Asashio is popular (if she even is) is irrelevant.

[Yaskaraxx]

...gonna teach ya some basic logics now El2aZeR:

 

1st yr demi-gods-purple-stats-establishment-elite-jurors have declared me as being a POTATO.....np.....np

2nd me...being the POTATO...worst ever player  known to mankind uptil present scores average 65k damage with his fav Asashio King Cobra (VIII)

3rd next, you conclude: "yeah, Asashio is a bad performing ship"...has ta be?????

 

As earlier also Pikkozoikum kindly explained ta you: there is an absence of even the very basics of any sound logics!

 

Look, when you would reach, say, some 6 stairs higher level...approaching somewhat closer to my higher level of perception & mindset THEN we could start highly entertaining exchanges of thoughts(!!)...even HIGHLY funny (that is: when i would let loose the brakes, lol)...but till that moment in time comes...I have to pass....anyway...cheers! 

 

(...i mean...not doing any high-fun-trolling ever here...my hands are tied...i am not gonna endanger an account of  some 19.383 battles played!!....ohh man...if you knew what i am capable of doing in extreme funny ways...but NOT here and NOT with this account...my hands are tied.....in fact i did not ever do any trollings here for brilliant fun, never ever did, since eventually I would risk being banned account (no real reason)....don't want that, cuz I sincerely like this great game so much!...so understand....yeah?)

 

[ShinGetsu]

There is a logic, you are just too stubborn to understand it.

 

But considering how you're performing, it's understandable.

[Yaskaraxx]

14 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Likewise is Shimakaze, yet she is by far the worst performing T10 DD.

Popularity has nothing to do with performance which is precisely what is being discussed here. That Asashio is popular (if she even is) is irrelevant.

.....nahh...I like to play Shima (X) 9.6 km torps 72 knots and 15x torps-burst-launches up-close...THAT is totally different gameplay...= very HARSH for yr enemies in random battles if ya play it the right ways (rl skills)...I mean: open up yr mind.......yeah??!

[El2aZeR]

Just now, Yaskaraxx said:

I like to play Shima

 

How am I not surprised? That ship seems to attract every potato out there.

 

Shima is also one of your worst performing ships. That's saying something considering your general performance.

[Yaskaraxx]

9 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

How am I not surprised? That ship seems to attract every potato out there.

 

Shima is also one of your worst performing ships. That's saying something considering your general performance.

...not say, last 2 months playing with 9.6 km torps 72 knots....doing average 80<--->2?? avg dmg easy ways.....

[Yaskaraxx]

15 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

There is a logic, you are just too stubborn to understand it.

 

But considering how you're performing, it's understandable.

shall we tell them? I mean, eventually they getta know anyway....cannot prevent it...I suggest we tell them (only basics!!), better?...but we keep it decent & secure our both privacies contents? ..have to do it this way cuz ya don't pick up yr phone anymore...so, what do ya think?...better???...

[El2aZeR]

40 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

average 65k damage

 

Oh, no. You can damage farm your fellow potatoes in a ship made to damage farm. How am I not surprised?

Meanwhile your stats also clearly show that your worthless damage farming doesn't win games. Aka you are an immense liability to your team every time you sail out with your Asashio.

 

40 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

As earlier also Pikkozoikum kindly explained ta you

 

Except he hasn't even refuted the basic points of my arguments and kept nitpicking instead. He even outright admitted that hybrid DDs are pretty much superior to Asashio in almost every way.

 

20 minutes ago, Yaskaraxx said:

last 2 months playing with 9.6 km torps 72 knots....doing average 80<--->2?? avg dmg easy ways.....

 

And I bet you could not crawl your way above 50% WR?
One of these days you will realize that damage is absolutely worthless as a statistic when it isn't accompanied by a good WR.

[Yaskaraxx]

3 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

 

 

Except he hasn't even refuted the basic points of my arguments and kept nitpicking instead. He even outright admitted that hybrid DDs are pretty much superior to Asashio in almost every way.

 

 

 

....ahhh...shows it all..ya didn't even grasp the meaning of what the Grandmaster tried to teach ya there: ...let me phrase it otherways.....David <---> Goliath????...who won???

 

(...don't forget ta call yr mom tonight...be nice, yeah...sweetheart, don't forget??)

 

yaskara XX...be nice...yeah???...plse do...lol