Premium Shop in November: Halloween - Discussion Thread

[jure_eruj]

Greedy greedy... High tier games are already boring as hell, and now every schmuck with money will be able to ruin it a little bit more.

 

On the brighter side, I have loaded AP in my Yamato.

[MaIefic]

35 minutes ago, jure_eruj said:

 High tier games are already boring as hell, and now every schmuck with money will be able to ruin it a little bit more.

 

Basically this. MM was and still is a joke, 2 squads on one side, none on the other or better yet, a squad of 3 DDs on one side, only 2 non-squaded DDs on the other side and so on. On top of that now we have "schmucks with money", 0 battles but getting into tier 9-10 battles directly because WG now sells them the premium directly without the Free XP pre-requisite.

[DuneDreamer]

2 hours ago, williepie310 said:

This is stupid, selling T9 to new players for a VERY cheap price in the shop 750000xp is around 90 euro or with the xp discount for around 72 euro. When you want this ship you HAVE to buy it or grind for a stupid amound of coal.

I dont know whats wrong with Wargaming these days, their word means nothing when they break all the promisses about not selling T9 or T10 ships. Whats next? selling T10? they will! 

 

The primary goal of a company is to make profit. Promises mean nothing when money are concerned.

[_Sensei_7]

Is JB going to be available for free xp? Asking for a friend. 

[Jean_Bart]

5 hours ago, hjsteg said:

So you can actually buy a tier 9 premium for money now? I guess all promises are to be broken.

 

Now we understand that the Jean Bart is also available for coal, at a much higher cost than the Musashi. At least we get to chose how to get it.

WG said multiple times that they will introduce Jean Bart for free XP, but they delay its release because they are still testing it!

Yet again they broke their promise!

The difference is that Musashi is a junk, while Mighty Mo and JB are not! That's why Mighty Mo was removed from the tech tree!

4 hours ago, Somilica92 said:

whats the diffence? people spending money on free xp? or buying it in the shop? I dont see much diffrence there.

maybe if you did get your free xp from the battles, but thats maybe 1% off people. So please think before you post.

If you say so, i am within that 1% of people you are talking about!

I collected ALL my free XP from battles and i am NOT going to spend such insane amounts of money for Jean Bart!

I was waiting for this ship since i first registered my account (for obvious reasons), but now i WILL NOT spend money to get Jean Bart!

3 hours ago, Somilica92 said:

Lol, you will never have that free xp from only battles so i dont know what you're talking about.

Everyone should have a fair opportunity to get t9 credit grinder and not only the whales or the people that play 2hours a day.

More people than you can imagine have obtained enough free XP to claim a reward in the shape of exquisite and exceptional ship, but with the Mighty Mo removal, and WG offering JB for cash, i really don't see anything attractive to spend my free XP on !

What are my options?! - Crippled Downgraded Yamato (aka Musashi), Tier 7 british BB (tier 7 is already preoccupied with 3 british premium BBs - Nelson, Duke of York and Hood) and a fictional soviet battlecruiser?!

2 hours ago, williepie310 said:

This is stupid, selling T9 to new players for a VERY cheap price in the shop 750000xp is around 90 euro or with the xp discount for around 72 euro. When you want this ship you HAVE to buy it or grind for a stupid amound of coal.

I dont know whats wrong with Wargaming these days, their word means nothing when they break all the promisses about not selling T9 or T10 ships. Whats next? selling T10? they will! 

750 k is 90 EUR for newbies and noobs, for people like me it is free and a lot of time spent to play!

2 hours ago, NothingButTheRain said:

Why is JB so much more expensive in coal value compared to Musashi? And why isn't JB for fxp? Aren't people who know how to farm fxp loyal? Aren't the people who convert loyal?

Because Musashi is a junk and Missouri and Jean Bart are NOT!

That is called pay-to-win! You can get the best ships only if you pay cash for them !

 

Let me consolate you with one song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOgFZfRVaww

 

Imagine WG keeps their promises

Imagine Jean Bart is for free XP

Imagine that Mighty Mo is not so IMBA

and is still in the tech tree...

[DuneDreamer]

6 minutes ago, Jean_Bart said:

Because Musashi is a junk and Missouri and Jean Bart are NOT!

Musashi isn't a junk. I have both ships and with Musashi I'm able to do much more damage consistently than with Missouri. It is the stronger ship from the two.

[LonesomePolecat]

6 hours ago, Somilica92 said:

whats the diffence? people spending money on free xp? or buying it in the shop? I dont see much diffrence there.

maybe if you did get your free xp from the battles, but thats maybe 1% off people. So please think before you post.

Mate! It’s not 1% thats for sure. If you use flags camos you can get loads of free xp per battle. If you play plenty of battles you can grind 750k free xp within a year (I did it mainly with scenarios and didn’t even play every day).

And you dont need to spend a penny. Just dont used up that free xp.

And yes. You gonna get the same amount of xp or even more locked on elite or prem ships.

And yes hou need doublons to unlock all.

But. BUT! You can still wait for the 35/1 coversion “sale” and you can buy doublons in sale. These things will reduce the actual price significantly. In the end you will, you can spend some money on free xp ships *edited*. And thats the difference!

So please think before you judge.

[Smegger213]

£56.46 for a tier 9 premium ship.

 

No thanks Wargaming.

Robbing gits.

 

I see the same greedy mentality has creeped in from WoT.

 

[dragonfly33]

I was waiting for this ship since i first registered my account (for obvious reasons), but now i WILL NOT spend money to get Jean Bart!

The same here :( I Love french bbs , farming Fee exp cuz i think " JB is t IX so he should be like other IX premium for F.Exp" and now kaboom coal and money rly? almsot 1 mln free exp and what i can do with this? Sorry month of farming this to get Jean Bart for nothing

[DuneDreamer]

I'm not going to buy this ship either since it isn't better than the ships I already have. I was also hoping that it will be made available for free XP, but no ... WG must raise their profit. Now I'm also left with a lot of free XP and doubloons I have nothing to spend on... 

[Budget_War]

a t9 for cash is ridicules!
then its almost impossible to pay for with coal.
and to add insult to insult on the injury: its not available for free xp!
also: its loaded with gimmicks. i mean, you took a tier 8 boat, made it sligtly better, added AA and MGRB and put it at tier 9...
I dont care how good or overpowered those braindead  youtubers and reviewers call this boat, if i cant get it for free xp then i wont get it.

well on the bright side, now there will be a lot of tier 3 bb captains at tier 9 to feed my musashi.

 

[DuneDreamer]

3 minutes ago, Budget_War said:

well on the bright side, now there will be a lot of tier 3 bb captains at tier 9 to feed my musashi.

You're wrong. They've already bought the Tsar Alexander commander that comes with 15 skill points in a separate package.

[it3llig3nc3]

By the way: the Jean Bart ship that got released is identical to the one that was tested 2-3months ago about which many CCs published youtube vids and analysis.

 

or we are stepping here on a landmine assuming we get something we know while it was changed since the CC tests...?

 

[DuneDreamer]

8 minutes ago, it3llig3nc3 said:

By the way: the Jean Bart ship that got released is identical to the one that was tested 2-3months ago about which many CCs published youtube vids and analysis.

 

or we are stepping here on a landmine assuming we get something we know while it was changed since the CC tests...?

 

I think that they've nerfed the reload booster from 30 to 20 seconds, which is a substantial change but I may be wrong. You have to look that up for yourself.

Furthermore, I don't think that any ship is immune from future changes and final in its current configuration, which means we're already in a minefield. :)

[Fesvil]

Well, whilst I do love the Richy, this is no match for an alsace.. so.. Meh.. But since I'm a nib and have a lot of free exp lying about, or potentially lying about, I would have spent 750k on it.. Coal? Mehhh.. this ship is only available for a short period, which makes me think they prereleased it so that they could get cash for it before they make it available for free exp. 

 

Regarding hard to farm Free EXP.. since they gave 1SC per TX boat you had 1 round in, I've earnt 200k+, and I play casually.. I could have farmed easily 750k in that timeframe if I played more and put on all the right flags, especially during CB.. Today I made around 300k elite cpt exp.. Now I cannot get to those levels in free, but without going gung ho on super rare camo I could easily have farmed around 50-60k, just in CB's today..  I have Clan mates that's not spent a dime on premium time or consumables which have all free exp ships in the game, go figure, they play too much.. Then I have others that play much less, but invest in premium time and consumables and they also haven't used a single doubloon to convert exp to free exp, but yet has managed to get all free exp ships..

 

1%? I'ld say it's probably closer to 10+%..

 

So, whilst I think it's stupid and greedy and unnecessary for WG to seemingly regularly break their promises or ignore their statements, it is what it is.. Makes it easier for me to spend less on this game :-).

 

Edit: Judging by how amateurish the wiki page is for JB (and that when it was put in store it still said this was under development and stats could change) with no pros no cons.. and no link to LWM review, makes me think this is a spur of the moment thing, a test of how well it sells and how much of a shitstorm it'll start that they break promises or go back on their word...

 

Just my cents...

[DuneDreamer]

8 minutes ago, Fesvil said:

Mehhh.. this ship is only available for a short period, which makes me think they prereleased it so that they could get cash for it before they make it available for free exp.

This is a smart assumption. It could be so.
"Get all the money you can get from a few and then make the ship available for the rest."

[m3c0]

Ok, let me think about it. What could I buy for 60-70€??

 

a) A single ship for 66€, which might be nerfed tomorrow (directly or indirectly, i.e. torpedo bulge, deep water ninja torps, indestructable destroyers, perma floodings caused by reworked CVs...), a ship I might play with for lets say 5-10 hours in total, or
b) an entire amazing game like AC Odyssey for 60€, which Ill enjoy for dozens or even hundreds of hours?

 

You (WG marketing guys) can make the decision-making process extremely easier for me, thx! ;)

[Dropman12]

16 hours ago, jure_eruj said:

Greedy greedy... High tier games are already boring as hell, and now every schmuck with money will be able to ruin it a little bit more.

 

On the brighter side, I have loaded AP in my Yamato.

So far I remember 2 or 3 players who bought high tier premium, jumped in without experienced and "ruined" my game. Thats not problem at all.

Problem are players with few thousand games and sub 50% WR who "knows" how to play. Which usually means diyng in first two minutes and blaming team for no support/lemmingtrain.

 

In this regard, nothing is gonna change. Reaching "regular" high tier ship does not make you competent player. Also I really doubt there are many newbies who are going to spent 80E just to play high tiers....

[gizaman]

Well it is new that we get a tier 9 for money but still let us calm down. When WG released Missouri tier 9 for free xp it was a much more broken promise. All of a sudden you

can grind into a tier 9 without ever playing 6-7-8 ships. Furthermore the credit income on tier 9s is often crazy. Have only tier 8 premiums myself and have had matches with flags and premium time

where I was around 1-1.1 million credits. Have clan members that are even higher in tier 8. Furthermore the missouri was seen to make 2.2 million credits by ichasegaming and others. That is insane.

The issue is that credits and equipping consumables is just default with 22500 ones. Why not? it is easy to grind the credits.

 

Jean Bart issue. Well it seems it got nerfed. People are speaking of 20 seconds instead of 30 seconds on that reload booster. It is great for punishing with multiple fires. Set fire, wait till he repairs, then activate fire spam. That is strong in 30 seconds time with less in 20..since it shoots ever 11 seconds or so with ability.

 

It had some very high damage per round scores like 120k but it was VERY good players so it might drop a lot when it gets more played by normal players.

 

Also I like to grind up a tree to experience every ship in that tree. That makes it a journey. What journey is there to buy a ship and all of a sudden you are a tier 9 player that perhaps never played a french bbs?

 

A player that does not know the ins and outs of french bbs is frankly just as newbie as a new player that bought the ship. For instance I learned the american bbs the normal grind way. Tier 6 is great because of 12 guns...then I get to tier 7 Colorado...it kinda sucks. Yeah better guns but fewer of them. Then I got the NC well for many battles it was not very nice but then I started to learn how to play it. Have had my most damage game in it at 190 k....with 4 citadels in one forward volley on a musashi. Is starting to play IOWA. I have learned that they are vulnerable to side shots. Face front and use the 6 forward guns. 

 

That kind of info can you not buy in the store. It takes time and experience. Maybe it is a fast forward but still a lot of matches will be hard when you are not trained in that ship type/line.

 

The real topic in this forum should be "Why is premium ships (often at least) better than their normal tech tree ones.? " In World of tanks they are around the middle of the tech tree ones. In this game it seems they are very often really really strong. That is the real pay 2 win issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Heal_My_Bacon]

I am actually were waiting Wichita, Charleston, Prinz Eitel Friedrich with HMS Dreadnought. JB being cash surprised me. Even I am wallet warrior, paying close to 70€'s for ship, without commander and other bells and whisles is way too much currently. I kinda got burned with Le Terrible and bought its Admiral Pack using credit, not going to make same mistake now. I am going to think more if JB is actually worth of getting with money as I am lacking 60K goal atm for getting her via arsenal. I am close to Alsace anyway so spending money is less attractive to me.

 

I am just wondering if they will turn her for Free XP ship or doublon ship after this 2 weeks Cash Grab period? Maybe she is put also Santa's gift rotation? While my personal view is that seriously? T9 battleship for cash? I also understand company needs to make money. However we still have this WG's cardinal sin: Bad communication to players. I mean if they say she will be free XP ship and now she is in arsenal for 228K Coal and for Money, will she be given after that Free XP status, or put as tech tree doublon ship? It is frustrating trying to decode WG's announcements regarding Premium ships. I really wish they would put entire WG crew: How properly communicate with end users and clients course. So we can make following conclusions for WG's handeling JB: A) deliberate misleading / Blatant lying B) Bad communication that lacks certain information (if she turns FreeXP ship later on or not) C) Plan's got changed after comments were made but WG didn't bother to correct or update it.

 

If WG start selling T9 and T10 premium ships regularly, I admit, it will hurt slightly my pride. As I take pride I have managed to grind t10 ships taking countless hours in battle and now some new player with enough disposable cash can have by pass lane for it? Oh, well. I can live with hurt pride.

 

This unfortunately wasn't first time and it won't be last time. Only thing that this changes is that I am reconsidering my Wallet Warrior / Ships collector status if I limit myself only up to T8 Premiums with money... Hmmm.

[williepie310]

Oh, and will my Gascone (worst premium ever in my opinion) get buffed so it is now obsolete with the arrivel of a T9premium(the best premium ship ever you can buy at this  moment) of the same nation? 

[TrOn11]

On 11/7/2018 at 12:28 PM, Somilica92 said:

whats the diffence? people spending money on free xp? or buying it in the shop? I dont see much diffrence there.

maybe if you did get your free xp from the battles, but thats maybe 1% off people. So please think before you post.

You can earn plenty of free XP without spending any money, you learn before you post!

Indeed even though no forces anyone to part with money prem ships gone from £30 to £50 quickly (even though it is T9).

I like the previous form of T9 free xp ships to give goals and aims for people to grind, seems they have though, at least offered a path via coal to get this so we shall see how popular this is.

[DuneDreamer]

On 11/8/2018 at 4:52 PM, williepie310 said:

Oh, and will my Gascone (worst premium ever in my opinion) get buffed so it is now obsolete with the arrivel of a T9premium(the best premium ship ever you can buy at this  moment) of the same nation? 

No, but you'll have the option to purchase "the best T9 premium". :)

[lodocarbo]

WG IS FAKE NEWS CONFIRMED:

1. Year of the CV.

2. NO Submarines.

3. NO TIER IX-X PREMIUMS (or for MONEY!!).

 

 

Good job WarGaming, trustworthy and reliable.

[DuneDreamer]

I wonder if it isn't a better idea to use free XP to get Alsace and then buy it a permanent camo so that it has the same characteristics as a premium ship. Any input on that?