2 Tier Overmatch. Compensation

[londonsmee]

Last night was the last straw once again an evening of 2 Tier over matching.  T8 Cruiser with  All T10 .  Ok I realise you have to make a game but it's insane trying to make it worth while.  If your going to put us in over matched games please remove the repair bill for the ships that are 2 Tiers below.  Theres a massive amount of complaining going on how about doing a solution.  I can make cash with T5 - T7  but T8  its not happening, its  too  much overkill.  My T9 BB costs but even that I have a chance at making cash.

 

Oh yeah I do have a Premium account. (wont be doing it much longer )  And Customer services said to post here. 

 

2 T over match GIVE SOME COMPENSATION>  Put up for the repair bill

[ColonelPete]

You get more XP when fighting higher tier ships. Not enough?

[londonsmee]

NO.  they made a cash based game. and Moved the crossbar.  I didnt choose to fight T10  they did. 

[1MajorKoenig]

While I agree that MM Sucks at T8 - which is why I completely stopped playing it apart from DDs - the repair bills are the least issue.

 

Quite the opposite is true: cutting down the repair bills at T10 through perma camos and removing the need to play lower tiers caused this issue in the first place.

 

Best WG can do is to make TX exclusive MM (or maybe with TIX) to relieve T8

[HaachamaShipping]

Play more T7. If you cannot break even at T8 without premium, you should work on your gameplay more. T8 is upmatched often, but frankly it's the tier that is least crippled by a +2 upmatch. All the BBs get high tier end-grade armour and all the DDs get the vital concealment module, so it isn't as terrible as T5 vs T7 or T6 vs T8. And something like a Chapayev or Cleveland can still be more useful to the team than a Roon or Ibuki one tier higher, because of the radar. If you get thrown into a T10 game with a T8 ship, it isn't that exciting, given you are basically weaker than most of them, but you still can do your job.

 

Also, overmatch as a term describes an entirely different ingame mechanic, so the usage in this context creates a confusing title.

[londonsmee]

Still why should I have to play 2T below.  Nearly always the little fish. In the big pond.  

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, londonsmee said:

Still why should I have to play 2T below.  Nearly always the little fish. In the big pond.  

Until WG fixes it, the only recommendation is to play only T8 ships that

• you are grinding towards T9
• you feel very comfortable with

For example, in my case, I wouldn't recommend T8 premiums, because some are just straight up "why?" I do play mine, at times, but only the ones where I feel like I'm ok if I get into T10 matches. Tech tree ships, only those I grind and the handful of ships that really stay good, even in T10. Which basically is almost every T8 BB, almost every T8 DD and of the T8 cruisers, I guess every cruiser not called Hipper.

[londonsmee]

Exactly it's broken. You should not have to recommend, this or that  don't play like this, or play like this.  The Teir should be able to stand on it's own feet.   So it's broken, in your own words." Until WG fixes it " ,   Then WOW  compensate T2 below players.  I'm not after real world. Just pay up.  OR upscale the ships so they have illusional/Boosted T2 strength.  Stop with the SEALCLUB'ing if thats the right vernacular.

 

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, londonsmee said:

Exactly it's broken. You should not have to recommend, this or that  don't play like this, or play like this.  The Teir should be able to stand on it's own feet.   So it's broken, in your own words." Until WG fixes it " ,   Then WOW  compensate T2 below players.  I'm not after real world. Just pay up.  OR upscale the ships so they have illusional/Boosted T2 strength.  Stop with the SEALCLUB'ing if thats the right vernacular.

 

It's broken in that it is frustrating to be at the lower end of the power spectrum in such a match. But the differences are fairly manageable as said before and WG does compensate you. Damage done to ships of higher tier is rewarded more than damage done to same tier or lower tier. T8 is very much capable of still playing against T10, in contrast to something like T5 against T7. 

[Zemeritt]

Really? My T8 ships easily farm credits, despite being lower tiered more often, due to the natural behavior of the T10 MM.

 

There is no need for compensation at T8.

[londonsmee]

5 minutes ago, Zemeritt said:

Really? My T8 ships easily farm credits, despite being lower tiered more often, due to the natural behavior of the T10 MM.

 

There is no need for compensation at T8.

 

 

So all the other people stating the same problem your magic, congrats glad it's working for you its not for  me, and Not for others.  

[HaachamaShipping]

2 minutes ago, londonsmee said:

 

 

So all the other people stating the same problem your magic, congrats glad it's working for you its not for  me, and Not for others.  

Most people consider it frustrating to play vs T10 because it is harder to carry in bottom tier ships. It isn't hard to turn a profit.

[londonsmee]

Agree I feel for my side when its got T8 and having to carry us. don't stick us in T10.  Damn forgot it's broken so still getting put in there. 

[_V_I_X_]

 

yea hard t10 shipururus, qq

[Zemeritt]

11 minutes ago, londonsmee said:

So all the other people stating the same problem your magic, congrats glad it's working for you its not for  me, and Not for others.  

 

Since this discussion has been pretty heavy in the ger subforum, were people claim they have 70-80% low tier battles in their T8 cruisers, others have proven them wrong, analyzing their data actually showed a 35-45% low tier rate, which is, considering the amount of T10 players on EU, pretty good.

 

Granted, WG is to blame for this with their T10 camos, which allow even average players on T10 to stay in the green credit income, which leads to this high T10 population. There is simply no reason to play the lower ranks to farm credits, put 5k dubloons into the game and you have a money printer with 100% top tier guranteer.

I also would like to see the introduction of battletier 11, but since T9 isn't that popular, execpt Missouri, that would properly cause more trouble for the T6 ships,  since they'll get the shaft for being bottom tier more often.

And I can tell you from experience: Playing as T8 vs 10 is easier then playing T6 against T8.

[londonsmee]

yeah so you have that every time .  So your getting that every time. Guess what  bet im in that 250k. done damage.  And losing. 

 

 

" Since this discussion has been pretty heavy in the ger subforum, "  This isn't isolated to just me.

[_V_I_X_]

Just now, londonsmee said:

yeah so you have that every time .  So your getting that every time. Guess what  bet im in that 250k. done damage.  And losing. 

 

Not every time, but for me its more fun when u are underdog, more tension sailing whole map twice around, searching spots where i can be safe, trying to flank and use TacTICz, much more than sitting in Yamato trying to tank while my team is dying in 3 mins 1 by 1...

[londonsmee]

But why should you. That's the point.  This Mass Tiering just destroys the game. Maybe not for your great victory. But 5 battles in a row.  

[Zemeritt]

8 minutes ago, londonsmee said:

" Since this discussion has been pretty heavy in the ger subforum, "  This isn't isolated to just me.

 

No, there are one to two people claiming this, while the rest is more on the other side.

So you would be outnumbered there.

[londonsmee]

Let me guess it's the REAR Admirals that are saying learn to play.  Their 5000 battles are the only valid point.   

[londonsmee]

Hello londonsmee,

Thank you for coming back to us with your answer.

I understand very well how you might be feeling regarding this case.

Sadly commander, no compensation can be provided in such circumstances. 
All our players play exactly with the same conditions. Matchmaking is what it is, and unfortunately only our developers can change it as they see fit. 

Maybe in the future, you will be able to play tier 8 without facing that many tier 10s. However, that's still not the case.

If you have any other questions, feel free to come back to us.
Have a really nice day.
 

 

Well that's enough. Enjoy game boys. Uninstalling for me. Caio.

[Zemeritt]

14 minutes ago, londonsmee said:

Let me guess it's the REAR Admirals that are saying learn to play.  Their 5000 battles are the only valid point.   

 

No. As long as they have data to back up their claims, everyone is taken seriously. But these tinfoil theories usually get countered.

 

7 minutes ago, londonsmee said:

Hello londonsmee,

Thank you for coming back to us with your answer.

I understand very well how you might be feeling regarding this case.

Sadly commander, no compensation can be provided in such circumstances. 
All our players play exactly with the same conditions. Matchmaking is what it is, and unfortunately only our developers can change it as they see fit. 

Maybe in the future, you will be able to play tier 8 without facing that many tier 10s. However, that's still not the case.

If you have any other questions, feel free to come back to us.
Have a really nice day.
 

 

Well that's enough. Enjoy game boys. Uninstalling for me. Caio.

 

 

[ColonelPete]

8 minutes ago, londonsmee said:

Hello londonsmee,

Thank you for coming back to us with your answer.

I understand very well how you might be feeling regarding this case.

Sadly commander, no compensation can be provided in such circumstances. 
All our players play exactly with the same conditions. Matchmaking is what it is, and unfortunately only our developers can change it as they see fit. 

Maybe in the future, you will be able to play tier 8 without facing that many tier 10s. However, that's still not the case.

If you have any other questions, feel free to come back to us.
Have a really nice day.
 

 

Well that's enough. Enjoy game boys. Uninstalling for me. Caio.

You could just play on Tier VI and VII. Matchmaking is pretty good there and games are fun.

Or you could go back to Tier IV for +1/-1 MM.

[FunkyDazMonkee]

T8mm is bad but it is alot better than it was. I had burout about a yr ago for the same reason. Unlocked my T10 and havent enough credits 2buy the damm ship but when i came bk. Its alot better. Iv grinded out enough for 2 T9 ships n on my way to T10. 

So i understand, best thing i found was to get a gd t8 premium, i got the Massatusas and even on a bad yolo run where i die first i still make 150-200k credits n when i play gd or get that magical T6mm you can break 1mill credit's so i understand bu there are ways around it. Hope it helps. 

Admiral Funkydazmonkee. 😁

[SpartanFretum]

Completely agree with the creator of this thread. Its stupid to have a t8 ship against t10s, as its stupid to have any ship facing another 2 tiers tiers higher in any battle. I have 8 t10s and I ve been through this matchmaking for too long. Of course there are games that you end up in the top, but the lack of repairs gives a huge disadvantage to you. Torpedo range on dds is not enough to provide safety from radars. Don't know if its true, but I remember a quote from a CC that the reason WarFailing is not fixing the mm is that this would create a longer que for the battle. Which is sad, cause I believe a lot more people would actually play t8s if they knew they are gonna have a good mm, plus there are a lot of people that don't play this game because of this mm system, as they had enough. As for some specific ships and setup, t8 is a curse. GL trying to play your Bismarck or Tirpitz with a secondary build when your concealment is 14.3 and your firing range is almost 20, when you have montanas, conquerors, republiques, and even many cruisers shooting at you from more than 20km... To further add, there are some feautures on the game like premium camos, for t8s, that WarFailing is counting for their income. Why should someone spend his money on a ship that he knows that he will be bottom tier 99/100 times? only an idiot would.