What ship with Radar can I play in the lowest tier

[Puffin_]

Hello

 

What ship (cruiser) with Radar can I play in the lowest tier. It´s ok if it is premium ship.

I want to have some fun killing DD noobs .like i have been killed recently. I loved playing dd until radar got me killed again and again. 

I like aggressive playing

 

But as they say. if you can't beat them join them.

 

[FallenOrchid]

T7 Atlanta and Indianapolis (both premium). But maybe you should check reviews and play style before buying them.

[CptBarney]

doesnt the belfast have radar?

[BurningPoop]

Unfortunately, It's highly doubtfull that getting a mid tier radar cruiser  will solve your wows problem.

[Tyrendian89]

1 minute ago, CptBarney said:

doesnt the belfast have radar?

it does - and? seeing as it won't be sold anytime soon (well, at least until XMas Gambling Boxes make their return, I guess), how does that help our OP?

[CptBarney]

1 minute ago, Tyrendian89 said:

it does - and? seeing as it won't be sold anytime soon (well, at least until XMas Gambling Boxes make their return, I guess), how does that help our OP?

1. it's a question.

 

2. he may want to by it at some point if it goes back in store.

 

your problem?

[xxNihilanxx]

1 minute ago, Tyrendian89 said:

it does - and? seeing as it won't be sold anytime soon (well, at least until XMas Gambling Boxes make their return, I guess), how does that help our OP?

 

What you say is true but to answer your question it helps the OP about as much as buying any mid-tier radar cruiser would, i.e. not at all because he has much bigger problems than meeting radar ships.

 

@GudmundurG Save your money and spend time learning to play better instead. If you buy a premium radar cruiser you will be farmed long before you can kill a single DD, all the mid-tier radar cruisers require a level of skill to play that you, unfortunately, fall well short of and yes, that includes the Belfast.

[DFens_666]

If you think you can play aggressive in a Cruiser, you might aswell stop before you even try.

 

 

 

[Verblonde]

25 minutes ago, GudmundurG said:

What ship (cruiser) with Radar can I play in the lowest tier. It´s ok if it is premium ship.

I want to have some fun killing DD noobs .like i have been killed recently. I loved playing dd until radar got me killed again and again. 

I like aggressive playing

To answer the specific question, it's T7, and they're all premiums: Belfast (basically no longer available), plus Atlanta and Indy. Besides them, it's T8 and up (the wiki includes all this sort of info: http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/World_of_Warships).

 

I would suggest though that the real problem isn't radar as such, but rather that you have only just started encountering it, and so have yet to develop the relevant strategies needed to deal with it; you can still play aggressively in a radar game, but you need to pick your spots/moments (and ignore cretins who want you to sail straight into the middle of the 'bullseye' maps before the enemy radar has been located at least).

 

DDs remain glorious (for the most part) all the way to T10, but you do need to develop the additional tool-set necessary to counter it.

[Puffin_]

36 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

If you think you can play aggressive in a Cruiser, you might aswell stop before you even try.

 

 

 

Well I have managed just fine playing aggressive in British cruisers in lower tiers with help of smoke and torpedoes.

[xxNihilanxx]

2 minutes ago, GudmundurG said:

Well I have managed just fine playing aggressive in British cruisers in lower tiers with help of smoke and torpedoes.

 

No, you haven't.

[FooFaFie]

Here you go ALL the radar ships in game. But if you love DDs maybe it's better to learn the distances and times. So you can play your DDs accordingly.

[elblancogringo]

13 minutes ago, GudmundurG said:

Well I have managed just fine playing aggressive in British cruisers in lower tiers with help of smoke and torpedoes.

Not true.

Your stats are so abysmal that it hurts just checking them. You manage to be as good in a cruiser as you are in a DD. So buying a cruiser with radar will not solve your problem. You just need more experience in low tier to understand both DD, CA and CL gameplay.

Instead of ranting against radar (because that's what you're doing here), ask for help to improve, give replays, and there will be plenty of nice and experienced captains here that will help you.

But really, you should save your money for now.

[tsounts]

2 minutes ago, elblancogringo said:

Not true.

Your stats are so abysmal that it hurts just checking them. You manage to be as good in a cruiser as you are in a DD. So buying a cruiser with radar will not solve your problem. You just need more experience in low tier to understand both DD, CA and CL gameplay.

Instead of ranting against radar (because that's what you're doing here), ask for help to improve, give replays, and there will be plenty of nice and experienced captains here that will help you.

But really, you should save your money for now.

X2, that's what I was about to write!

OP you have 1 battle in Jervis and your damage is below 2k..... Getting a radar cruiser means you will only be a huge detriment to your team.

[Puffin_]

2 minutes ago, elblancogringo said:

Not true.

Your stats are so abysmal that it hurts just checking them. You manage to be as good in a cruiser as you are in a DD. So buying a cruiser with radar will not solve your problem. You just need more experience in low tier to understand both DD, CA and CL gameplay.

Instead of ranting against radar (because that's what you're doing here), ask for help to improve, give replays, and there will be plenty of nice and experienced captains here that will help you.

But really, you should save your money for now.

I should have said I have managed to have great fun playing British cruisers :-)  When I look at YouTube videos on hove to deal with radar. It is usually like this

"There is Atlanta, lets go on the other side of the map" Not much fun in that.

[Aotearas]

2 minutes ago, GudmundurG said:

I should have said I have managed to have great fun playing British cruisers :-)  When I look at YouTube videos on hove to deal with radar. It is usually like this

"There is Atlanta, lets go on the other side of the map" Not much fun in that.

Sadly that's about the only countermeasure you have to radar in its current state. As long as you're in radar range you'll get lit up for everyone to see at the press of a single button so the only way not to is not be anywhere near the radar.

 

Knowing the radar ranges and where radar ships like to be helps in being closer to where you'd want to be whilst still being relatively safe, but that's about it.

[elblancogringo]

3 minutes ago, GudmundurG said:

I should have said I have managed to have great fun playing British cruisers :-)  When I look at YouTube videos on hove to deal with radar. It is usually like this

"There is Atlanta, lets go on the other side of the map" Not much fun in that.

Well, I don't know which videos you watched, but with knowledge on radar specifications (there are variations on range and duration), you can bait them, wait and come back at the right timing.  Unless there are too many radar ships, which can efficiently lock a cap, the way to go is to always plan an escape route. 

Try entering cap zones while reversing, and/or by hugging an island that can give you a quick cover for example.

WG is working atm on a way to change the radar, and it will apparently allow a ship to be detected by only the radar ship, during the 1st seconds of the radar consumable use. His teammates won't be able to shoot at you at first. However, you should practice baiting and escaping radar ships.

There are ways to deal with radar. You are not forced to move away as soon as you see one. 

[Verblonde]

15 minutes ago, GudmundurG said:

I should have said I have managed to have great fun playing British cruisers :-)

That isn't automatically the same thing as doing well in them; most people on this forum will be approaching a problem like radar (say) from the perspective of how to avoid getting deleted after it spots you, and/or how to still do well in a radar-heavy environment.

 

15 minutes ago, GudmundurG said:

"There is Atlanta, lets go on the other side of the map" Not much fun in that.

 

If it's just you (in a similar tier DD) versus that Atlanta, there is some merit in that approach. That said, I would be strongly tempted to have a go at the bugger anyway, especially one-on-one: you will almost certainly out-spot him (unless/until he fires up his radar, which on Atlanta is quite short-ranged, and not terribly long duration - many non-Russian DDs should be able to get within a torp strike's range of Atlanta without being spotted (and be able to get out of radar range if it gets fired up). Atlanta has a lot of guns, but they are essentially DD guns i.e. short-ranged (and his torps only have a range of 4.5 km from memory) - Atlanta is an excellent DD hunter in the right hands, but it isn't pant-soilingly terrifying if you exercise a little caution.

 

The advice to go to the other side of the map won't be so much to do with the Atlanta alone, but more to do with his mates who might use the radar to delete you; you may find richer pickings (and fun) in other map quadrants.

 

When avoiding the radar ships entirely isn't an option, you then need to apply the mid-high tier DD skills, such as baiting radar, and coordinating with team-mates to blow the radar ships out of the water (better players will already know to do this; BB players sniping at other BBs and ignoring cruisers, not so much)

[Allied_Winter]

29 minutes ago, GudmundurG said:

I should have said I have managed to have great fun playing British cruisers :-)  When I look at YouTube videos on hove to deal with radar. It is usually like this

"There is Atlanta, lets go on the other side of the map" Not much fun in that.

Well ... and a radar cruiser that is badly played - which might still be fun to the player who knows - can be easily outplayed by any competent DD player.

 

I know going up against radar ships in a DD might be an uphil battle, but a premium ship doesn't automatically grant you an 'I WIN button'. It's the player using the ship to it's strenghts that makes it less fun for you.

[BrusilovX]

Well, the very least as a DD to counter radar you can be in a position to get out of radar range as quick as possible and leaving a small a target as you do on the way and not firing back (as the 20 second delay on concealment starting after you've fired).    Also 'zig-zagging' on the way our can help.

 

Just switching to a radar cruiser is not going to help the OP - it just leaves  them open to other threats (being deleted by BBs being just one of many).

 

In a DD you can hunt radar cruisers while their radar is on cool-down.  I was in a battle in my Cossack this afternoon and had been lit up by a  Des Moin twice in the battle and had taken damage so far.   At the end they were chasing a friendly BB around an island and I'd sent a set of torps to the other side of the island.  They did radar me again and I did detonate but that set of torps sunk them - very satisfying.

[fallenkezef]

I learned in my Cossack to always have an escape route and to always zig zag, but you should be doing that with every ship (even BBs)

[GarrusBrutus]

2 hours ago, GudmundurG said:

Hello

 

What ship (cruiser) with Radar can I play in the lowest tier. It´s ok if it is premium ship.

I want to have some fun killing DD noobs .like i have been killed recently. I loved playing dd until radar got me killed again and again. 

I like aggressive playing

 

But as they say. if you can't beat them join them.

 

If you cant beat them learn to beat them.

[Altsak]

Indianapolis, that we had for free, is hilarious. 10km radar in a T5 match will teach the sealcubs how to avoid a club or ... well, prepare to be clubbed to death.

[Puffin_]

I just don't like this play style witch radar brings to the game. You can't even hide behind islands. I think I just stop leveling up the line  and just play my tier 5, 6 ships and one tier 7 DD.

It will be cheaper to. No need for premium account and no need for more premium ships. I god Galant and T-61 to train captains and was logging for premium ships in other lines to do the same. 

I could of course play BB. Stay at the edge of the map, move with the herd and fire at ships that come in my gun range.

[Allied_Winter]

6 minutes ago, GudmundurG said:

You can't even hide behind islands.

You can. 

 

If I'm behind an island when the enemy uses his radar, in most cases I'm in a position where NOBODY can shoot me. So the radar is wasted. And then I can act freely.

 

Take what the enemy uses and use it against him. Sun Tzu 101