Akula971 Beta Tester 1,053 posts 13,594 battles Report post #1 Posted October 10, 2018 I just had a rather good game where I was scouting a cap in my RN Lightning, keeping the enemy Harugumo spotted, whilst our Harugumo wrecked him. After that there was either by accident or design a situation where one was spotting whilst the other was shooting. Near the end our Harugumo sent a volley of torps out to a charging Amagi, but had not noticed I was in the way. I only took one, that took away 75% of my HP, and he went Pink. A complete accident. The player apologised after game. I wasn't actually bothered, as the pair of us had wrecked so many charging potatoes. If I could have forgiven him, and taken his pinkness away I would have. I'd like to see a feature in game to forgive accidental team damage. To err is human; to forgive, divine 35 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CCR] Sargento_YO Players 1,446 posts 10,603 battles Report post #2 Posted October 10, 2018 Sometimes I was torpedoed by an ally. I do recognice people makes mistakes sometimes, however what I can't forgive it's when that happens and the one who torpedoed me doesn't even apologizes. Specially after I say something like "WTF (ship name or player name here)??". If THEN he doesn't apologizes it's when I give the report. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #3 Posted October 10, 2018 would be nice to see, but I dont think it'd be high on any kind of priority list^^ Also, there's a Suggestions thread pinned at the top that you can throw this into Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,358 posts 11,686 battles Report post #4 Posted October 10, 2018 Not a bad idea. Nothing really that important but could add a nice gesture to the game. I actually remember myself not long ago in a similar situation, when playing Gaede. Our team had a hard time but a Loyang was playing really smart and made a lot of moves I was doing myself. So we end up fighting side by side at one point, were we are in the smoke, and we try to stop a rushing BB. We both have the same idea to send torps into him. He lauches first, im a little behind him, send mine right after. The moment I lauch em, I realize, the loyang went into reverse - and right into the path of my torps. I didnt even really have time to write something in chat, and boom, he goes down. I was really mad at myself, it was one of those moments, were you would have waited HALF a second, I´d saw, he started to reverse. So I end up appologizing to him, which he accepts, since he noticed, it happened cuz he reversed. We both complimented each other, which was a nice gesture from him. I still felt shitty but atleast we won. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OlFson Beta Tester 455 posts 17,314 battles Report post #5 Posted October 10, 2018 Nearly the same situation yesterday, the guy who torped me went pink, contacted me after the battle apologising. I would have forgiven him as well. Would be a nice to have such a feature. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPA] Procrastes Beta Tester 4,009 posts 4,350 battles Report post #6 Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Akula971 said: I'd like to see a feature in game to forgive accidental team damage. To err is human; to forgive, divine This is a generous and very humanistic suggestion, Akula971. Unfortunately, the drawback is that having the option to press the "forgive" button, would lay the burden of making someone pink on the shoulders of the individual player. Because you would then have the power to prevent someone from going pink, you would also bear the moral responsibility for choosing not to do so. It is one hassle that I, for one, would rather avoid. There is a kind of impartial justice to the automated team damage system. It does not deal in moral choices or weigh you as an individual - it simply follows its program code. Going pink is a straight-forward application of digital cause and effect. I think this is how it should be. I should also add that apologizing after accidental team damage is absolutely the done thing. And if such an apology is offered in good faith, it is nearly always accepted with equal grace. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CCR] Sargento_YO Players 1,446 posts 10,603 battles Report post #7 Posted October 10, 2018 Another situation which maked me turn pink: A dd managed to sneak right next to one of our cvs. He was at point blank range and unloaded his torpedoes, hitting our cv and leaving him with 300 hp or so. I was rushing back to help our cv and the dd was between us (still at point blank range). I knew I was risking to a teamkill because he was that close, but I shoot the dd anyways (which was quite low on hp). The result was that due dispersion I hit our cv and killed him, and I turned pink trying to save him. It was unfair to turn pink for that. But I do understand creating an automatic mechanic for understand these kind of situations must be really, really hard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-IAN-] IanH755 Players 2,043 posts 6,904 battles Report post #8 Posted October 10, 2018 A "forgive" feature would be nice as I've been hit a few times when, during a DD vs DD/CA/BB brawl, a team-mates torp has missed its target and 30sec to 2 minutes later it's found it's way over to me while I've been engaging other enemies and it's usually followed by "sorry" etc chat (i.e. it's not an idiot spamming from the 2nd line etc) and in those situations being able to "forgive" would be very handy. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPA] Procrastes Beta Tester 4,009 posts 4,350 battles Report post #9 Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Sargento_YO said: Another situation which maked me turn pink: A dd managed to sneak right next to one of our cvs. He was at point blank range and unloaded his torpedoes, hitting our cv and leaving him with 300 hp or so. I was rushing back to help our cv and the dd was between us (still at point blank range). I knew I was risking to a teamkill because he was that close, but I shoot the dd anyways (which was quite low on hp). The result was that due dispersion I hit our cv and killed him, and I turned pink trying to save him. It was unfair to turn pink for that. But I do understand creating an automatic mechanic for understand these kind of situations must be really, really hard. This is an excellent example of how good intentions can lead to accidental team damage. Who would not forgive that? However, I would happily forgive team damage that was the result of outright miscalculation or even blatant clumsiness, just as long as I was offered an honest apology. There was this occasion where I was torpedoed from behind by an allied Nürnberg, while going into a reverse that he obviously hadn't anticipated. He apologised most humbly and sincerely, and was quite mortified. I told him not to worry about it, and we went on to have a very pleasant chat conversation while he sailed on to further adventures. It all ended with me complimenting him for a game well played, and I think this episode goes to show just how important it is to have a nice gaming community. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M4R4Z Players 151 posts Report post #10 Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) Once I had a pink DD in my team, I was in a BB and we crossed paths and hit (yes in a DDs he was as far as a me in a BB from the enemy), He was very angry (like in a BB I could have easily avoided him) and torped me, but while I took some damage and survived, he was already damaged, and, being pink, was killed by the friendly damage! And in the game stats he appeared as killed by himself! :) Even someone from the enemy team asked how that could be, and I told him what had happened. I had lots of laughs for that... yes I laughed so much that I would have forgiven him ! Edited October 10, 2018 by M4R4Z Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,048 posts 18,306 battles Report post #11 Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Procrastes said: This is a generous and very humanistic suggestion, Akula971. Unfortunately, the drawback is that having the option to press the "forgive" button, would lay the burden of making someone pink on the shoulders of the individual player. Because you would then have the power to prevent someone from going pink, you would also bear the moral responsibility for choosing not to do so. It is one hassle that I, for one, would rather avoid. There is a kind of impartial justice to the automated team damage system. It does not deal in moral choices or weigh you as an individual - it simply follows its program code. Going pink is a straight-forward application of digital cause and effect. I think this is how it should be. I should also add that apologizing after accidental team damage is absolutely the done thing. And if such an apology is offered in good faith, it is nearly always accepted with equal grace. This. Put far better than I could manage! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[B0TS] philjd Beta Tester 1,806 posts 7,517 battles Report post #12 Posted October 10, 2018 Nice thread, makes a change from the usual topics and approaches to them. For me, if the guy apologises then all fine and good, it's easy to tell from the situation whether it was deliberate, negligent or my error/100% accident. I usually give them a compliment for good manners :) If it's my fault, then I always apologise. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akula971 Beta Tester 1,053 posts 13,594 battles Report post #13 Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Procrastes said: This is a generous and very humanistic suggestion, Akula971. Unfortunately, the drawback is that having the option to press the "forgive" button, would lay the burden of making someone pink on the shoulders of the individual player. Because you would then have the power to prevent someone from going pink, you would also bear the moral responsibility for choosing not to do so. It is one hassle that I, for one, would rather avoid. There is a kind of impartial justice to the automated team damage system. It does not deal in moral choices or weigh you as an individual - it simply follows its program code. Going pink is a straight-forward application of digital cause and effect. I think this is how it should be. I should also add that apologizing after accidental team damage is absolutely the done thing. And if such an apology is offered in good faith, it is nearly always accepted with equal grace. Its part of being a well rounded adult, to assess the consequences of ones actions, and act accordingly, and to take responsibility. It needs to be put in perspective, this is a game we are talking about. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NED] piet11111 Players 2,223 posts 8,812 battles Report post #14 Posted October 10, 2018 I can already see the threads of people complaining they where not forgiven by their victims. As annoying as it might be to turn pink i would consider it preferable to having to deal with those "gentlemen" raging in port messages about how it really is all my fault they turned pink. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] Astolfo_Is_My_Waifu WoWs Wiki Team, In AlfaTesters, Beta Tester, Quality Poster 2,236 posts 15,544 battles Report post #15 Posted October 10, 2018 If someone turns pink it's not necessary to forgive them, if they're not purposefully causing damage pink status will be removed on its own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] Strapps [TOXIC] Players 1,134 posts 5,925 battles Report post #16 Posted October 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, piet11111 said: I can already see the threads of people complaining they where not forgiven by their victims. As annoying as it might be to turn pink i would consider it preferable to having to deal with those "gentlemen" raging in port messages about how it really is all my fault they turned pink. This. I can see in-game chat filling up with heartfelt apologies turning to abuse if forgiveness isn't forthcoming regardless of whether it was intentional or not. I've turned pink thanks to idiots rushing into my torps but the key thing is they're my torps - I'm responsible for them from the moment they're launched until they hit something or run out of range. I'd much rather that be the default position than players having an expectation of forgiveness if they spam torps that could potentially hit allies. You could always throw an ally a compliment for good manners if they apologise promptly, +1 karma doesn't do anything with the pink status but it's an acknowledgement that you're aware they didn't intend it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CCR] Sargento_YO Players 1,446 posts 10,603 battles Report post #17 Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, piet11111 said: I can already see the threads of people complaining they where not forgiven by their victims. As annoying as it might be to turn pink i would consider it preferable to having to deal with those "gentlemen" raging in port messages about how it really is all my fault they turned pink. Depends... There are two kind of people in this matter: - Those who genuinely regrets the damage done and wants to compensate it - Or those who regrets it only due the punishment which comes with said damage. That kind of people only would apologize if it's discovered (and very often will try to deny it when ask it). And definetely I wouldn't forgive the second ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pra3y Players 2,964 posts 11,390 battles Report post #18 Posted October 10, 2018 What about the unforgiven? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WCBG] BrusilovX Beta Tester 2,678 posts 20,978 battles Report post #19 Posted October 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, pra3y said: What about the unforgiven? Not the Clint Eastwood movie? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105695/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DK-CP] NothingButTheRain Players 6,338 posts 13,688 battles Report post #20 Posted October 10, 2018 When I torp a teammate, it's ALWAYS my fault. That's the way torps are. And whenever it happens, I publicly apologise and give +1 as to at least make up for it for a little bit. It's the least I could do :) 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NED] piet11111 Players 2,223 posts 8,812 battles Report post #21 Posted October 10, 2018 19 minutes ago, BrusilovX said: Not the Clint Eastwood movie? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105695/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PMI] Juanx Players 2,564 posts 9,197 battles Report post #22 Posted October 10, 2018 Torping from second line is always a voluntary error, sadly they dont get sent to port and are banned from gaming for 24 hours after doing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R7S] lovelacebeer Players 3,537 posts 23,184 battles Report post #23 Posted October 24, 2018 I think we have all accidentally torpedoed or damaged a friendly at some point and in close quarter combat it's embarrassingly easy to do but yeh it would be nice if at least there was a way to differentiate between accidental team damage and deliberate, It is annoying that even in tier 10 matches Zao and Hindenburg players will still torps from the second line but at least usually it's a panic reaction or just lack of awareness and when they say sorry at least you can move on knowing it's a mistake and hopefully they learnt, what I do really wish is that when players clearly sail up to you and deliberately damage your ship there was a proper way to highlight that their behaviour was intentional and they be punished appropriately still its nice nice to see a threat where so many people want to be polite and forgive accidents Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Leo_Apollo11 Quality Poster 6,253 posts 25,059 battles Report post #24 Posted October 25, 2018 Hi all, On 10/10/2018 at 12:49 PM, Akula971 said: I just had a rather good game where I was scouting a cap in my RN Lightning, keeping the enemy Harugumo spotted, whilst our Harugumo wrecked him. After that there was either by accident or design a situation where one was spotting whilst the other was shooting. Near the end our Harugumo sent a volley of torps out to a charging Amagi, but had not noticed I was in the way. I only took one, that took away 75% of my HP, and he went Pink. A complete accident. The player apologised after game. I wasn't actually bothered, as the pair of us had wrecked so many charging potatoes. If I could have forgiven him, and taken his pinkness away I would have. I'd like to see a feature in game to forgive accidental team damage. To err is human; to forgive, divine Nice idea! Leo "Apollo11" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IRQ] AnotherDuck [IRQ] Players 2,930 posts 7,510 battles Report post #25 Posted October 27, 2018 This is a good idea, and I'd like to see it implemented. I don't think there's an issue with the morality of having the choice to forgive or not. It's no different from always having to refrain from shooting my incompetent allies. Now that's a decision that takes real strength of character. Choosing whether to forgive someone is a tiny blip on the radar in online PvP games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites