Should I stop grinding germans and go for Rn BBs?

[Nasty_Ninja]

Sooo right now I have an issue. Currently I’m grinding the Germans, but I feel that they are far too inaccurate, slow in every single way as of now, shite guns but certainly pretty decent armor. So I’m thinking of swapping to RN BBs caus they have the highest damage potential, and easy to play according to wiki, but when I told my bro that, he says that RN BBs although they have the highest damage, they also have the lowest winrate. He says that it is because most of the damage dealt is actually fire damage, which can be healed back 100%, hence the high damage numbers, but since people are not actually dying, low winrate. He also mentions that they often have the lowest hp, and are under armored, and the ap is only really useful of crusiers and dds cause of short fuse time, so getting good in them is not really an option. 

He also mentions Germans should start getting better t5 onwards, yes you still have lol German dispersion, but you now have the speed to put the muzzles up against thier hulls where it will not miss. So I’m asking should I switch to RN bb line, or stick it out with Germans?

[beercrazy]

personally german tier 8 Bismarck is best german bb

british tier 7 kgv is epic fun but the others can be a bit of a grind at times

obviously the conq is more fun to play than the german gk at tier 10 but that's mostly because hardly anyone backs you up these days when you push in a high tier bb game

 

the problems your facing due to inaccuracy is there in all bbs and unless you get to around the 12km to 15km range all low tier bbs will be like a shot gun

[RAHJAILARI]

Listen to your bro man. He is quite right.

 

RN BB's are custom made for the beginner, so yes easy to play and free to potato in. Hence the poor winrate. In expert hands they can be quite deadly though. German BB's are made for brawling, so do not try to snipe from a distance any longer than you absolutely have to - You have to get up close and personal (preferably to within their secondary range to maximize damage), this is precisely why they have slightly less inaccurate main guns and excellent armor BUT once you practice a bit I daresay the main guns will be accurate enough (10-15km and no issue). Secondary build works best for German BB's as they have kickasso secondaries. From tier 7 and Gneisenau onwards they are fast too, so patience is needed. Up to tier 6 BB are all slow (Japanese Myogi  and Kongo exempted - They are FAST) and all low tier BB's tend to be quite inaccurate to begin with so changing country is not going to bring improvement in any case. If you want pinpoint accuracy and fast firing guns, try Cruisers instead.

 

However, if you prefer to try and snipe from maximum distance, then you need to change to Japanese or possibly American BB's (since they are both highly accurate) rather than the RN (well OK, all BB's accuracy is pretty crap up to tier 6 anyways). RN is for HE spamming, though they do have decent AP too. They also have a good heal, but in exchange for that they have rather poor armor, so you will take damage quite easily. German ships generally have a reasonably good AP though the downside of it is that for it to work, you have to practice your aim to hit the target first.

 

 

[Srle_Vigilante]

No, stick to Germans.

[_DeathWing_]

French BBs from tier VII and up (except Richelieu) are also good and fun to play. Good at long ranges due to shell velocity but not that accurate as IJN and USN.

[Fionia_DK]

German BBs are the most forgiving BBs.  They are very good for for newbies.
T6 good BB
T7 Can be tricky, but can be setup as a monster AA ship.
T8 Very fun with long Secondaries

T9 Good BB. 

T10 A big brawler, get in close and it is deadly ( approx 10 km).

Just stick with them.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Nasty_Ninja said:

Sooo right now I have an issue. Currently I’m grinding the Germans, but I feel that they are far too inaccurate, slow in every single way as of now, shite guns but certainly pretty decent armor. So I’m thinking of swapping to RN BBs caus they have the highest damage potential, and easy to play according to wiki, but when I told my bro that, he says that RN BBs although they have the highest damage, they also have the lowest winrate. He says that it is because most of the damage dealt is actually fire damage, which can be healed back 100%, hence the high damage numbers, but since people are not actually dying, low winrate. He also mentions that they often have the lowest hp, and are under armored, and the ap is only really useful of crusiers and dds cause of short fuse time, so getting good in them is not really an option. 

He also mentions Germans should start getting better t5 onwards, yes you still have lol German dispersion, but you now have the speed to put the muzzles up against thier hulls where it will not miss. So I’m asking should I switch to RN bb line, or stick it out with Germans?

Apart from Nassau and Kaiser being beasts on their Tier, the german BB are more user friendly for new players as they are more forgiving.

Apart from the early Tiers, RN AP is unreliable too and HE becomes the ammunition of choice, which is not good at taking out enemies quickly.

[dasCKD]

19 minutes ago, Fionia_DK said:

German BBs are the most forgiving BBs.  They are very good for for newbies.

Maybe once. Now, all tier X BBs but the Yamato is obscenely forgiving.

 

To the OP, it depends what you want. If accuracy is your main concern then go for the American or Japanese battleship lines as they pair excellent accuracy (relatively speaking) and high penetration guns. The guns of the German battleships are among the worst battleship guns in the game in just about every respect. Penetration is poor, accuracy is poor, and penetration is mediocre and their only saving grace is their mid-plate and deck armor which would be a boon if not for the popularity of the Hindenburg. There's no reason to grind the Germans past the Bismark and, quite honestly, it is difficult to justify grinding even that far when the Richelieu and the North Carolina exists.

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

1 hour ago, Srle_Vigilante said:

No, stick to Germans.

This

[veslingr]

1 hour ago, Nasty_Ninja said:

Sooo right now I have an issue. Currently I’m grinding the Germans, but I feel that they are far too inaccurate, slow in every single way as of now, shite guns but certainly pretty decent armor. So I’m thinking of swapping to RN BBs caus they have the highest damage potential, and easy to play according to wiki, but when I told my bro that, he says that RN BBs although they have the highest damage, they also have the lowest winrate. He says that it is because most of the damage dealt is actually fire damage, which can be healed back 100%, hence the high damage numbers, but since people are not actually dying, low winrate. He also mentions that they often have the lowest hp, and are under armored, and the ap is only really useful of crusiers and dds cause of short fuse time, so getting good in them is not really an option. 

He also mentions Germans should start getting better t5 onwards, yes you still have lol German dispersion, but you now have the speed to put the muzzles up against thier hulls where it will not miss. So I’m asking should I switch to RN bb line, or stick it out with Germans?

FUN - Germans wins with secondary

MOST OP ship in game with best WR, DMG, EXP, esiest to keed star in ranked..... - RN BBs t10

 

your decision :)

[veslingr]

30 minutes ago, Fionia_DK said:

German BBs are the most forgiving BBs.  They are very good for for newbies.
T6 good BB
T7 Can be tricky, but can be setup as a monster AA ship.
T8 Very fun with long Secondaries

T9 Good BB. 

T10 A big brawler, get in close and it is deadly ( approx 10 km).

Just stick with them.

worst ship in game - t9 KM BBS.....it is direct downgrade from t8

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, Nasty_Ninja said:

Sooo right now I have an issue. Currently I’m grinding the Germans, but I feel that they are far too inaccurate, slow in every single way as of now, shite guns but certainly pretty decent armor. So I’m thinking of swapping to RN BBs caus they have the highest damage potential, and easy to play according to wiki, but when I told my bro that, he says that RN BBs although they have the highest damage, they also have the lowest winrate. He says that it is because most of the damage dealt is actually fire damage, which can be healed back 100%, hence the high damage numbers, but since people are not actually dying, low winrate. He also mentions that they often have the lowest hp, and are under armored, and the ap is only really useful of crusiers and dds cause of short fuse time, so getting good in them is not really an option. 

He also mentions Germans should start getting better t5 onwards, yes you still have lol German dispersion, but you now have the speed to put the muzzles up against thier hulls where it will not miss. So I’m asking should I switch to RN bb line, or stick it out with Germans?

RN accuracy is better and no, RN actually does have AP and using that AP is not a bad idea, unless you are a KGV, where the low gun caliber often dictates HE (but AP thrown in for good measure gets results). RN BBs at lower tiers also are resilient, but... at no tier I know of, they are faster than Germans. At pretty much all tiers, RN is pretty slow and Germans are among the faster ones. If you want an accurate and fast line, play IJN.

 

What your friend is right in is that RN BBs from T6 on are pretty poorly armoured and basically among the worst in armour, while Germans are basically best armoured. If you want sheer resilience, German is best. If you want a decent mix of that and performance, IJN and late USN.

36 minutes ago, Fionia_DK said:

German BBs are the most forgiving BBs.  They are very good for for newbies.
T6 good BB
T7 Can be tricky, but can be setup as a monster AA ship.
T8 Very fun with long Secondaries

T9 Good BB. 

T10 A big brawler, get in close and it is deadly ( approx 10 km).

Just stick with them.

T7 can be specced for AA, but also for secondaries. It's a very good ship.

T9 is utter crap though. It's barely an upgrade over Bismarck and in some parts a downgrade. Worst T9 BB.

15 minutes ago, dasCKD said:

Maybe once. Now, all tier X BBs but the Yamato is obscenely forgiving.

 

To the OP, it depends what you want. If accuracy is your main concern then go for the American or Japanese battleship lines as they pair excellent accuracy (relatively speaking) and high penetration guns. The guns of the German battleships are among the worst battleship guns in the game in just about every respect. Penetration is poor, accuracy is poor, and penetration is mediocre and their only saving grace is their mid-plate and deck armor which would be a boon if not for the popularity of the Hindenburg. There's no reason to grind the Germans past the Bismark and, quite honestly, it is difficult to justify grinding even that far when the Richelieu and the North Carolina exists.

To be fair, with USN CLs and IJN alt line DDs introduced, 50 mm plating really is nice. Yes, German CAs are popular, but taking max damage only by a cruiser line with lackluster to anaemic HE dpm is way preferable to getting wrecked by all cruisers in the match, especially the high dpm ones. Up to Bismarck, the German line stays quite competitive imo, the difference in HE resilience between a Bismarck and Richelieu is pretty big.

 

Also, Yamato is not taking AP well into the side, but against HE, it's about as tanky as Kurfürst.

14 minutes ago, veslingr said:

MOST OP ship in game with best WR, DMG, EXP, esiest to keed star in ranked..... - RN BBs t10

Easiest to get reported for being a useless waste of space. Conqueror spamming HE at long range is the definition of useless RN BB style that is loathed and basically just saves stars, while its WR in ranked is piss poor. 

[veslingr]

3 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

 

Easiest to get reported for being a useless waste of space. Conqueror spamming HE at long range is the definition of useless RN BB style that is loathed and basically just saves stars, while its WR in ranked is piss poor. 

Yeah, but good players use supreme stealth to instaglib cruisers with AP, zombie heal and OP HE crap.

Also it is one of hardest BBs to citadele.

 

ship with most potential to carry of all BBS.

 

P.s.

Dominating all stats from introduce of it :)

 

 

[Fat_Maniac]

1 hour ago, Nasty_Ninja said:

Sooo right now I have an issue. Currently I’m grinding the Germans, but I feel that they are far too inaccurate, slow in every single way as of now, shite guns but certainly pretty decent armor. So I’m thinking of swapping to RN BBs caus they have the highest damage potential, and easy to play according to wiki, but when I told my bro that, he says that RN BBs although they have the highest damage, they also have the lowest winrate. He says that it is because most of the damage dealt is actually fire damage, which can be healed back 100%, hence the high damage numbers, but since people are not actually dying, low winrate. He also mentions that they often have the lowest hp, and are under armored, and the ap is only really useful of crusiers and dds cause of short fuse time, so getting good in them is not really an option. 

He also mentions Germans should start getting better t5 onwards, yes you still have lol German dispersion, but you now have the speed to put the muzzles up against thier hulls where it will not miss. So I’m asking should I switch to RN bb line, or stick it out with Germans?

I know what you mean about the German BB's.

 

My first grind was too Bismark, she was my first target ship that I really wanted to get too.

 

The thing about the German BB's is you have to push in them and get closer to your targets. I found wit the t5 and 6 that was very hard to do, especially as a lot of matches I found myself in I was bottom tier. Things changed dramatically at T7. Gneisenau is a really good ship, fast, good AA and you can push in and contest caps with her if you want, and you have torps to surprise anyone who tries to rush you. T8 Bismark I have found disappointing, mostly because with T8 MM you end up bottom tier, and it is very difficult to push your way in, without getting lolpenned by the T10 BB's and HE spammed to death. When Bismark is in a T9 or top tier she is epic, but I must confess I put her down last October, still in stock config, as I couldn't stand the T10 campy meta and my inability to make Bismark work. Now I'm a bit more experienced with the higher tiers I'll probably pick her up again soon, the idea of a full secondary build GK is very appealing.

 

You mentioned the RN BB's as an alternative. Have you considers the US line? slow til you get to T8 but much better dispersion than German BB, and a good all round BB line. 

[HaachamaShipping]

4 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Yeah, but good players use supreme stealth to instaglib cruisers with AP, zombie heal and OP HE crap.

Also it is one of hardest BBs to citadele.

 

ship with most potential to carry of all BBS.

 

P.s.

Dominating all stats from introduce of it :)

 

 

Unless you eat a bunch of torps.

 

Also, here. Kurfürst has better WR in Ranked.

[Animalul2012]

if you want to prove us you are a retard then grind those RN bbs.

[veslingr]

3 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

Unless you eat a bunch of torps.

 

Also, here. Kurfürst has better WR in Ranked.

Kurfurst is worst BBs for ranked, and this only shows that most potatozombies of them all decide to play shima and Conq as their ships for ranked.

 

 

[ForlornSailor]

Im surprised nobody had said this before: Stop grinding alltogether. You havent learned how to BB yet. Kaiser is among the strongest ships with good mm. 11k avg damage and a hitrate of 14% is no where near halfway decent. Your winrate on T6 & T7 should get you thinking aswell. You dont belong there yet. You wont have fun. And dont think that a "better" BB will improve your performance: everyone else around you has better ships aswell. And more experiance. The higher you go, the harder the economics get. With your current performance, you will lose credits the latest with a T8 BB constantly.

[Nasty_Ninja]

 

9 minutes ago, Fat_Maniac said:

You mentioned the RN BB's as an alternative. Have you considers the US line? slow til you get to T8 but much better dispersion than German BB, and a good all round BB line. 

now that USN are good all rounders, but in my experience, it is often better to specialise in one area and do that very well, rather then doing everything decently. Plus they are all slowpokes all the way up till t9, and I’m not willing to wait that long.

1 hour ago, RAHJAILARI said:

Listen to your bro man. He is quite right.

 

RN BB's are custom made for the beginner, so yes easy to play and free to potato in. Hence the poor winrate. In expert hands they can be quite deadly though. German BB's are made for brawling, so do not try to snipe from a distance any longer than you absolutely have to - You have to get up close and personal (preferably to within their secondary range to maximize damage), this is precisely why they have slightly more inaccurate main guns and excellent armor BUT once you practice a bit I daresay the main guns will be accurate enough. Secondary build works best for German BB's as they have kickasso secondaries. From tier 7 and Gneisenau onwards they are fast too, so patience is needed. Up to tier 6 BB are all slow (Japanese Myogi  and Kongo exempted - They are FAST) and all low tier BB's tend to be quite inaccurate to begin with so changing country is not going to bring improvement in any case. If you want pinpoint accuracy and fast firing guns, try Cruisers instead.

 

However, if you prefer to try and snipe from maximum distance, then you need to change to Japanese or possibly American BB's (since they are both highly accurate) rather than the RN (well OK, all BB's accuracy is pretty crap up to tier 6 anyways). RN is for HE spamming, though they do have decent AP too. They also have a good heal, but in exchange for that they have rather poor armor, so you will take damage quite easily. German ships generally have a very good AP though the downside of it is that for it to work, you have to practice your aim to hit the target first.

 

 

I am actually a USN heavy crusier guy, I’m playing bbs cause when I play crusiers I first make their cruisers go boomies first, then a random bb salvo out from nowhere make me go boomies, so as they say in the art of war book: “know your enemy”, so I’m doing bbs so that I can learn how do they behave in general, what I should do in general to avoid getting blown up, and what they hate in general. (Brother says HE spam in general, the more HE shells In the air the more likely they are gonna run, and torps, of which usn don’t have)

[NothingButTheRain]

2 hours ago, Nasty_Ninja said:

o I’m asking should I switch to RN bb line, or stick it out with Germans?

Switch to Brit BB.

 

I played Brit BB till Conq and German BB till Bismarck. The main problem for me when playing German BB is that I get melted by HE and whatever spam whenever I try to get close. And the HE spam also tends to delete my secondaries.

 

Brit BB is not just HE spam, they have poor armor and very good conceilment. WHenever I need to disengage, I can simply stop shooting to cloak and heal back all the fire damage.

 

The one redeeming quality the Bismarck has with these tier 10 battles it usually gets thrown into (with quite often 9 tier 10 ships), is to be a torp spotter for the team with my hydro.

But otherwise, with Bismarck I tend to end up as a torp spotter and HE spammer myself as the guns barely manage to hit and pen anything at range against those tier 10 behemoths.

[RAHJAILARI]

17 minutes ago, Nasty_Ninja said:

I am actually a USN heavy crusier guy, I’m playing bbs cause when I play crusiers I first make their cruisers go boomies first, then a random bb salvo out from nowhere make me go boomies, so as they say in the art of war book: “know your enemy”, so I’m doing bbs so that I can learn how do they behave in general, what I should do in general to avoid getting blown up, and what they hate in general. (Brother says HE spam in general, the more HE shells In the air the more likely they are gonna run, and torps, of which usn don’t have)

A very good idea, this is why I also tried all classes though I do suck at CV and BB. BUT it does give a fairly good idea what they are capable of and how to counter them. I have learned much in that respect. I used to be a DD main previously. Only took up Cruisers, as I kept getting in trouble with them. Doing much better now in both of them actually (DD & Cruiser). Still suck at BB and CV though, it is sad but then again I have not really bothered to play them much as of late either. Some day...

[DFens_666]

If you dont like the german lowtier BBs, you probably shouldnt continue

- Bayern is a decent ship, but very inaccurate. On that Tier, i like the other T6 BBs more, Queen Elizabeth is actually my favorite, just dont spam HE with it.

- Gneisenau i liked too, but back then the meta was different. I dunno if id like her that much now. Only 6 guns usually pretty inaccurate, but when ppl wouldnt camp, it would be a nice ship. Nagato might work better these days IMO, alltho it is very squishy. But hey, atleast you learn something when you get punished from all angles Colorado i absolutely hate. KGV seems good with mostly HE spam.

- Bismarck is quite nice (compared to the next one), but you will get mad about the guns.

- FDG, just garbage - nothing more i can say. I skiped it because i have Missouri. Iowa would be 100x better.

- GK has fairly accurate guns (or its just the sheer volume of 12 shells), but has to show A LOT OF BROADSIDE to use all of them. Also this thing eats massive penetration damage, even without getting citadelled.

 

Apart from that:

Your hitrate is abysmal even for german BBs. You should play more on lowtiers and learn the basics. Where to aim, when to push, this is espacially true for german BBs, since they like getting closer because of their guns and secondaries. On higher tiers this gets only harder to learn.

If you want to get better, you need to learn from mistakes and dont draw the wrong conclusions out of it. If you die when moving in with a BB, that doesnt mean you shouldnt get closer ever, it just means that the moment you chose was bad.

 

 

[HaachamaShipping]

55 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

If you dont like the german lowtier BBs, you probably shouldnt continue

- Bayern is a decent ship, but very inaccurate. On that Tier, i like the other T6 BBs more, Queen Elizabeth is actually my favorite, just dont spam HE with it.

- Gneisenau i liked too, but back then the meta was different. I dunno if id like her that much now. Only 6 guns usually pretty inaccurate, but when ppl wouldnt camp, it would be a nice ship. Nagato might work better these days IMO, alltho it is very squishy. But hey, atleast you learn something when you get punished from all angles Colorado i absolutely hate. KGV seems good with mostly HE spam.

- Bismarck is quite nice (compared to the next one), but you will get mad about the guns.

- FDG, just garbage - nothing more i can say. I skiped it because i have Missouri. Iowa would be 100x better.

- GK has fairly accurate guns (or its just the sheer volume of 12 shells), but has to show A LOT OF BROADSIDE to use all of them. Also this thing eats massive penetration damage, even without getting citadelled.

Warspite > QE

Gneisenau works still. Just don't try get caught up in snipefest. Thankfully T7 is still fluid (unless you are a lolorado)

GK is just a lot of shells. Maybe somewhat accurate for T8 standards, but when you look at what the opposition is, that's not accuracy. I mean, Yamato with 2.1 sigma? Republique with 2.0 sigma? Montana with APR2? Conqueror with RN dispersion?

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, veslingr said:

Yeah, but good players use supreme stealth to instaglib cruisers with AP, zombie heal and OP HE crap.

Also it is one of hardest BBs to citadele.

 

ship with most potential to carry of all BBS.

 

P.s.

Dominating all stats from introduce of it :)

 

 

That is old news.

 

As predicted:

(from maplesyrup)

 

HE spamming does a lot of damage, but does sink less ships and wins you less games.

[DFens_666]

9 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

Warspite > QE

Gneisenau works still. Just don't try get caught up in snipefest. Thankfully T7 is still fluid (unless you are a lolorado)

GK is just a lot of shells. Maybe somewhat accurate for T8 standards, but when you look at what the opposition is, that's not accuracy. I mean, Yamato with 2.1 sigma? Republique with 2.0 sigma? Montana with APR2? Conqueror with RN dispersion?

 

Ye well, talking about silver BBs ofc. Sure you can get Warspite now with Sovereigns, if you want to. I think ill got for the cptn however, and i dont think we will get enough Sovereigns for both just by f2p.

GK seems more accurate comparing to other german BBs Or Maybe FDG is just to much garbage that it seems better...

 

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

That is old news.

 

As predicted:

(from maplesyrup)

 

HE spamming does a lot of damage, but does sink less ships and wins you less games.

 

Shows that Conqs are backline sniper noobs.

Highest survival rate, least amount of damage tanked. And lowest hitrate.

I think a well played Conq wins as much battles as the others - or maybe even more than some