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Greetings Captains and WG Crew,

 

What happend to the BB players ?

 

In almost every single match there are, if not all, BB's that stay faaaaaaaaar behind, and playing Sniper-Mode only.

Not giving support, and trying to steal kills only. (So it feels to me).

Entire Team melts away, as butter for the Sun, before they realise they are the only ones left on the Map.

Then they start to complain about the worthlessness from the other players, and get clubbed like seals.

Most of the time resulting in a lost match.

This starts to get even more annoying then the shitload of radarships, when playing a DD.

 

What do i not understand ?

Please explain me, because this is not how the game should be played.

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This has been the norm for a long time. I have to say that the game play has really degraded though over the last few months since WOWS went up on steam. I have almost entirely given up on solo play. 

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unfortunately its very paradoxical bb's get the most HP and armor not to mention a repair so you would have fought they would be prime candidates to push and well tank, on the other hand bb's get the best range in there guns so human nature kicks in, if i can hit them and they cant hit me back i am gonna win.

 

they fail to take a 10+ second shell flight time when a few pushes of the wasd keys means they miss completely.

 

as it currently stands it appears its cruisers taking all the risks there tanking more often than not and with dd's seemingly oblivious to the fact they cant spot in smoke its cruisers that seam to be doing the spotting as well.

 

its not you its just the way people believe the class should be played  

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nerf islands :Smile_hiding: 

 

on a side note, make something to show that Yamato does not need to fire HE Shells all match long :Smile_child:

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50 minutes ago, Evergreen said:

What do i not understand ?

Please explain me, because this is not how the game should be played.

As long as people get rewards (as pityful they might be) for that, it won't change sadly.

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Using aggression is pretty hard in BB, once you're going in there's usually no turning back. So I understand why a lot of people hesitate the first 10 or so minutes. Plenty of BB push in the late game. If they don't even move at that point you're dealing with massive potato's. Move on to the next game.

 

 

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I say all classes camps these days, crusiers kemp island to avoid getting deleted and spam HE, dds kemp smoke and using bbs to spot, bbs kemp spawn cause “lol 20km range”

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After 11k+ battles, that title...

 

I rate it 2/10, needs more bait.

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They fail to understand what their ship is designed for. Not just a BB problem.

 

However, BB's draw in more casual players as they are more forgiving.

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13 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

However, BB's draw in more casual players as they are more forgiving.

 

... and historically more famous.

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1 hour ago, howardxu_23 said:

I say all classes camps these days, crusiers kemp island to avoid getting deleted and spam HE, dds kemp smoke and using bbs to spot, bbs kemp spawn cause “lol 20km range”

 

11 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

They fail to understand what their ship is designed for. Not just a BB problem.

 

However, BB's draw in more casual players as they are more forgiving.

I think these replies are the ones which give the clearest picture of the current situation here. Not much to add.

 

I also don't know how it was in the old days, but it's easy to get deleted in a cruiser (cruisers received some much needed love the last year and were really underplayed, gj to WG there :Smile_great:) and top tier BBs have, for some obscure reason, underwater citadels except Yamasashi I think. DDs don't have citadels at all.

 

BBs are easy to get in to, but difficult to master.

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Before blaming camping bbs/cowardly cruisers/retard dds or cvs in general...have you asked your self; how can I improve myself in order to improve the games i participate in...If you are at 49/50% winrate, what that means is that you are doing average or somewhat below average of what is expected of you in a battle. This translates into that every battle you are part of..you are dependent on the rest of the team for securing a win. You are not a liability to your team but at the same time you dont improve your team either. So if you play enough battles such things even out around exactly 50% winrate.

 

As soon as you realise that you are not special in any kind of way, but rather your typical average wows player, you need to ask yourself a question and answer it truthfully. Do I wish to improve (win more games, have more fun), or am I satisfied by staying middle and have the fun that beeing in middle generates. If you wish to improve then cudos for you, wows need more players like you (start analysing our games, be your worst critic, watch replays, your own and others, practice alot in training room/coop, search for help, watch Flamu/Flambass/Runner/Notser/Femmenly, ignore the comments and focus on their gameplay).

 

If you do decide that you are happy by staying in middle (be really honest with yourself), then there is nothing wrong with that...Have fun with the game and dont take it seriously...when you stop having fun, make a break. But, by my opinion, if you choose to stay in the middle then you have no right complaining about other players and their gameplay since you are not willing to go above call of duty to improve yourself.

 

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10 minutes ago, NothingButTheRain said:

BBs are easy to get in to, but difficult to master.

 

This exactly.

 

BB's might be an easy class when your goal is just survival and some damage, however it is a very difficult class when it comes to actually winning battles.

 

Commit too early and you will die uselessly losing your team the battle. Commit too late and you will probably also lose your team the battle.

 

Using BB's right requires a lot of map awareness, battle experience and commitment skill.

 

And even if you do nothing wrong you might still fail because your team does not react on or support your commitment.

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2 hours ago, Evergreen said:

Greetings Captains and WG Crew,

 

What happend to the BB players ?

 

In almost every single match there are, if not all, BB's that stay faaaaaaaaar behind, and playing Sniper-Mode only.

Not giving support, and trying to steal kills only. (So it feels to me).

Entire Team melts away, as butter for the Sun, before they realise they are the only ones left on the Map.

Then they start to complain about the worthlessness from the other players, and get clubbed like seals.

Most of the time resulting in a lost match.

This starts to get even more annoying then the shitload of radarships, when playing a DD.

 

What do i not understand ?

Please explain me, because this is not how the game should be played.

 

There is a very good reason for this. 

 

The current meta is for Cruisers to fire cance.... HE shells only and burn BBs to ash with their OP HE and firing rates. Plus most Cruisers have torpedoes so a BB cannot even brawl with Cruisers at close range or they get torpedo'd. Furthermore there's now an abundance of DDs in every game and BBs are natural torpedo magnets. 

 

Therefore the only real way to play a BB now is stay outside a cruisers range so they cant rain cance... HE shells on them constantly. 

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3 hours ago, Evergreen said:

Greetings Captains and WG Crew,

 

What happend to the BB players ?

 

In almost every single match there are, if not all, BB's that stay faaaaaaaaar behind, and playing Sniper-Mode only.

Not giving support, and trying to steal kills only. (So it feels to me).

Entire Team melts away, as butter for the Sun, before they realise they are the only ones left on the Map.

Then they start to complain about the worthlessness from the other players, and get clubbed like seals.

Most of the time resulting in a lost match.

This starts to get even more annoying then the shitload of radarships, when playing a DD.

 

What do i not understand ?

Please explain me, because this is not how the game should be played.

Because it is what everyone is doing nowadays, if you just push you get focused down quickly and soon meet davy jones!!!

 

The problem here is the fact that people do not understand how to read the minmap, and thus do not know how to respond in a given situation. Sometimes you push, other times you have to pull back. Fact is there is no 'best tactic' when playing this game, you have to be adaptable. Also most people are reactive in nature and not proactive.

 

Being Proactive and Adaptable are the skills missing from most BB captains, even me I get tunnel vision sometimes and the whole game goes to shiz. But when I do up my game oh boy how my contribution to the game excels, to the point where you realize if you didn't do what you did. The game would have been lost.

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Most recent example of this that I saw was a DD guy who hit "requesting support" a couple of minutes into match, engaged enemy while we were en route, died, then blamed the two BBs (one of whom was me) who had just got into position to help (sry, not quite as fast as you). Guy even stayed to moan about camping BBs, whilst the 2 of us took the flag, scared off the DD, and killed some stuff. I did mention to him that he had asked for help, so where was he? Was still my fault he died tho apparently.

 

Thing is, you will rarely convince a BB to push at enemy DDs unless you give them some sort of screen from torps. I would much prefer BBs on my team to not die than to suicide into bad positions without support cos you told them to.

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Persistent border huggers are a mystery.

 

Sitting at the edge of the known world, lobbing shells at targets at the other end of the Milky Way, waiting until every other allied player is sunk before reluctantly moving from their spawning point in a sideways, slightly perturbed manner, and then going down under a massive hail of enemy ordnance... no, I really can't see the appeal of this playstyle. We have all been at that point where we were still learning the first thing of when and where to push, and getting that wrong can certainly encourage an over-cautious playstyle - but only for so long. If you never even try to haul off and seek out thine enemy, there is something else at work. And while players should in principle be free to try to win their battles in whatever manner fits them best, where is the fun in always trying to stay clear of the action? Damage to one's ship does not, after all, carry over into the real world.

 

One of the proud members of the BBCS* once gave what may be a clue to this weird behaviour, when he stated, quite succinctly, that "Battleships are for sniping." This utterance, dead wrong as it is, has a certain simple beauty to it. I believe the player in question may have come straight from the World of Tanks, and had somehow gotten the idea that battleships were some kind of naval equivalent to the tank destroyer, on account of them having the longest firing ranges in the game.

 

* The Battleship Border Camping Society; courtesy of Jingles.

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44 minutes ago, HMS_Argosax said:

Because it is what everyone is doing nowadays, if you just push you get focused down quickly and soon meet davy jones!!!

 

The problem here is the fact that people do not understand how to read the minmap, and thus do not know how to respond in a given situation. Sometimes you push, other times you have to pull back. Fact is there is no 'best tactic' when playing this game, you have to be adaptable. Also most people are reactive in nature and not proactive.

 

Being Proactive and Adaptable are the skills missing from most BB captains, even me I get tunnel vision sometimes and the whole game goes to shiz. But when I do up my game oh boy how my contribution to the game excels, to the point where you realize if you didn't do what you did. The game would have been lost.

Sounds like you write from experience :fish_boom:  Still banging high tiers?

I see you locked your stats and unlocked new shiny T9 premium. That's the spirit! :Smile_child::Smile_bajan2::Smile_coin:

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Nothing new about it, they've always done it, because they have long range weapons they think they got to use the long range, instead of getting to mid range and being useful..

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1 hour ago, Ubertron_X said:

 

This exactly.

 

BB's might be an easy class when your goal is just survival and some damage, however it is a very difficult class when it comes to actually winning battles.

 

Commit too early and you will die uselessly losing your team the battle. Commit too late and you will probably also lose your team the battle.

 

Using BB's right requires a lot of map awareness, battle experience and commitment skill.

 

And even if you do nothing wrong you might still fail because your team does not react on or support your commitment.

 

You could say that about ALL classes, not just Battleships though :cap_tea:.  Try it.

 

Of all the classes, Battleships is the easiest to master IMHO.  That's not saying their brain-dead but compared to a CV or DD they don't come close. 

 

They are so forgiving in a number of different ways (i'm sure you don't want me to number them all).

 

Games where a bad position will get you killed (cruisers) or even if your angled will get you killed (Yam vs Bow-on Des).  Or walking on egg shells with all the gimmicks we now have and cardboard Armour (DDs) to crazy AA and micromanage salty flaming hell (CV's).

 

With Battleships being my most played line, I can safely say that BB's are the easiest to play and most noob friendly.  Basically the skill ceiling is the lowest of all classes.  I don't think many would disagree with that if they were being honest.

 

This isn't meant to be a BB bashing thread as all classes have there fair share of:

 

 

 

 

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Even though camping in a BB isn't a new issue, recent (or not so recent anymore) changes forced BBs even further to the back than in the old days. While I used to laugh at the campers, I now kinda understand them in certain game situations.

 

1. Introduction of the RN BBs and US light cruisers, which both can deal massive damage that you can't negate in a short amount of time. An entrenched wooster or well positioned Conq literally forces the game into a heavy camp meta, where every pushing BB will melt insanly fast.

2. Introduction of BBs that can't actually tank (32 mm everywhere). I don't own the Conq yet, but I think the Lion gave me a good taste of how quick you can get focused down if you overextend a little bit. French BBs, while having good secondaries, have the same problem without the superheal. Both lines (Fr and Rn) are really soft BBs that don't push well in most situations.

3. Citadels became harder to hit. Now this is also a plus, since you yourself won't get citadelt as often. However, citadels aren't the main source of damage you take anymore, since there is enough He spam to replace them. On the other hand, you can't delete those He spammers reliably anymore, not even the cruisers. Back in the days, I would dive in and 'kill before they kill me'. That just doesn't work now.

4. CVs are cancer. They are also rare, but, if they are in the game and the enemy CV is good: you push, you die.

5. Pushing isn't fun. Brawling builds are completly objectivly worthless. This is all the fun you get when pushing in a BB and fun can't be disregarded. If I push in I want to have more fun than I have camping in the back. I want my secondaries firing and I want them to deal damage, I want feel great. Nothing of this works ingame. My secondaries are bad and I will die to He instantly. You can come tell me how I just need Manuals, IFHE, BFT, Advanced, etc, and then they work. They don't. Meanwhile, my main battery will just do nothing on broadside targets.

6. Everything comes with torps. In the early days, there were US and IJN ships. One of them had torps, one didnt. So around 50% of the ships ou brawled didn't have torps. Now, everything has torps to kill you close range. BBs, cruisers got torps, and some DDs got these supertorps, you can't see till it is too late. Torpbeats, while fun, become more and more your main  brawling activity, and what happens if you eat a flooding? Thats right, half of the servers enemy He spammers were just waiting for that.

7. Brawling BBs are in a bad spot. We actually have 'pushing BBs' in our tech tree, the german ones. Great secondaries, good armor vs HE spam, very tanky, Hydro. The only actually good BB in taht tech tree however, is the Scharnhorst. Everyone else just gets horrible MM (Bis, Tirpitz) or is just terrible compared to its opposition (GK).

 

So in conclusion, BBs are sniping, because, as I see it, WG wants them to be the sniping class. There was a time, where WG could have made them into close range specialists, and many people were arguing for that, but that time is over.

Most of what I said applies to T8-T10. I think brawling in T7 (the only excluded tier where you still get the good manual bonus, why is it so bad at lower tiers, WG, why?) is still the most fun you can have in this game.

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4 hours ago, Evergreen said:

Greetings Captains and WG Crew,

 

What happend to the BB players ?

 

In almost every single match there are, if not all, BB's that stay faaaaaaaaar behind, and playing Sniper-Mode only.

Not giving support, and trying to steal kills only. (So it feels to me).

Entire Team melts away, as butter for the Sun, before they realise they are the only ones left on the Map.

Then they start to complain about the worthlessness from the other players, and get clubbed like seals.

Most of the time resulting in a lost match.

This starts to get even more annoying then the shitload of radarships, when playing a DD.

 

What do i not understand ?

Please explain me, because this is not how the game should be played.

Looks like you was been absent from this game or miss the fact how current meta has broke the game.

Its nothing strange that there is so much more BB campers when you have so many HE spammers in game, besides radar-fest and torpedos which mostly hates cruiser players.

And CV rework is far from the doorsteps.

 

Speaking of steal killing, there will always be those kind of noobs who will give zero F* for fire support of their team and care only for red ribbons just to get in top of post battle score.

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