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Can we have less RNG based events ?

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So the title says it well: can we stop having RNG base events ?

 

I mean, I thought the point of the event was mainly to get access to the british dd before release and/or getting started on the line without having to play them from tier 2.

Or, I played to get ALL of the containers of the past 3 weeks (including this one, but not including the containers reserved for tier7+ british dd), and out of those 38 containers I got nothing so far.

 

I know it's suppose to be RNG, but what is my current reward from the event ?... nothing.

Guess I still have those special currency for buying premium ships but, that's not the reason of the event.

So for taking part in the event, and investing time in the game I am rewarded with basicaly nothing.

 

Same during the french BB release event. I had to drop 48 containers (maybe 47 I'm not exactly sure) to get ONE ship.

And this ship was the only one with the total of slightly more than 50 containers I dropped.

 

Why does it have to be RNG base, and thus not rewarding you based on the time you spend doing the event, rather than being completely random and unfair ?

 

I mean the british BB event felt much better: you played to complete the missions, you got a ship FOR SURE !

 

 

 

Disclaimer: I open this thread on my own, and my opinion does not necessarily represents the one of my clan-mates.

 

PS: I am aware I probably put a billion grammar and orthograph mistakes.

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Erf in one hand WG probably gain a lot via special container and turning the rest into a casino, but in the other hand you still have a tiny chance to earn a lot. 

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Never was a guarantee for getting any DD's only a chance to get some.. Besides any stage of the directive can be done without UK DD's not all missions but enough to trigger next stage.

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Il y a 1 minute, hgbn_dk a dit :

Never was a guarantee for getting any DD's only a chance to get some.. Besides any stage of the directive can be done without UK DD's not all missions but enough to trigger next stage.

I know, I'm just saying this RNG base thing is garbage.

I guess I'll just have to drop 50+ of those stupid stuff before I get 1 ship.... again....

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6 minutes ago, Johnson777 said:

I guess I'll just have to drop 50+ of those stupid stuff before I get 1 ship.... again....

 

You shouldn't take this so seriously.

After all it's only pixel, take a deep breath, do something else and try again, but later.

Pushing "luck" will only bring frustation, keep your head cold and be cool. [:o]

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Il y a 1 minute, Lebedjev a dit :

 

You shouldn't.

After all it's only pixel, take a deep, do something else and if you really want this stuff try again, but later.

Pushing "luck" will only bring frustation, keep your head cold and be cool. [:o]

Don't worry, I'm not gonna buy any of those RNG boxes if that's what you thing of.

I just mean I'll play the event week after week to get the containers, and eventually I'll get something.

It's just that this game is more and more synonym of frustration over fun... but that's what they want this game to be, so be it

 

I'm also slowly buying less and less from the premium shop.... so hopefully their casino lootboxes will comensate for that

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Annoying yes but not worth frustration... Expect nothing and you can't be disappointed. managed to draw V VI and VII the first day, have used all my sovereigns on buying extra containers but no luck since.. I do not expect to get the last one.

Guess first day was a stroke of pure luck.. Think Notser opened 250 plus to get all of them.

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Yeah, but why does it have to rely on RNG in the first place ?

I mean the british bb event frm last year was great, because the rewards were guarenteed, not lucked out

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Guess they need an excuse to charge for premium loot boxes.. Hard to if everyone guaranteed can unlock the ships just by playing, even though the BB's was III-V

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RNG brings in tha monah.

They aim for the players who either thinks "I wantz it naow! *throws money at screen for containers" or the players who actually play, but eventually thinks "40 containers opened and still nothing. Screw theese missions, I'll just buy 50 containers instead!".

 

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4 minutes ago, Average_Oldie said:

RNG brings in tha monah.

They aim for the players who either thinks "I wantz it naow! *throws money at screen for containers" or the players who actually play, but eventually thinks "40 containers opened and still nothing. Screw theese missions, I'll just buy 50 containers instead!".

 

While this is true, there are people like me who refuse to spend money on any Wargaming Product UNTIL a F****ing ship drops.
It's the same with "Supercontainers", I see the posts about them dropping randomly for some people, even see them in some streams, but have never gotten one outside missions that give you one.

Why should I spend money on ships and premium time when other people get it for free? sure some people will throw money at them, but some of us just think "[edited]that crap" and refuse to spend anything ever! 

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5 minutes ago, Gallifrey711 said:

While this is true, there are people like me who refuse to spend money on any Wargaming Product UNTIL a F****ing ship drops.
It's the same with "Supercontainers", I see the posts about them dropping randomly for some people, even see them in some streams, but have never gotten one outside missions that give you one.

Why should I spend money on ships and premium time when other people get it for free? sure some people will throw money at them, but some of us just think "[edited]that crap" and refuse to spend anything ever! 

Its all about creating your own luck. If you never gamble you'll never win.... Just like buying a lottery ticket.. Besides that why should WG give you free stuff in the first place?? If you don't support the game with real money.... Somehow I think its called Karma.

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5 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

Its all about creating your own luck. If you never gamble you'll never win.... Just like buying a lottery ticket.. Besides that why should WG give you free stuff in the first place?? If you don't support the game with real money.... Somehow I think its called Karma.

Why should I support a game that rewards AFK players and new Players more than Players who play every week/day? Also, cant agree more. Its karma. Wg give us nothing, they get nothing. Very simple. But this Thread is about shity RNG missions, are you suggesting WG are somehow influencing that RNG according to who has spent more on the game? I doubt it, but to each his own.

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Never seen AFK being rewarded........ Think you'll need to read up on some stuff.

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RNG = money and more playtime

 

If you want a RN DD you either play a lot to get all containers possible or you spend money and pray to RNGesus. Either way it's a win-win for WG.

So no, we won't get fewer RNG based events.

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Or just wait until the entire line is released and grind them the old way. No big deal. IMHO

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1 minute ago, hgbn_dk said:

Never seen AFK being rewarded........ Think you'll need to read up on some stuff.

So you saying people who constanty go afk in game dont get supercontainers or rewards if there team carries them. Again do you think wg influences rng drops? everyone gets treated the same, meaning for every guy who plays 500 games a week and get [edited]all there is one guy who plays one game and gets the best possible reward

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1 minute ago, Gallifrey711 said:

So you saying people who constanty go afk in game dont get supercontainers or rewards if there team carries them. Again do you think wg influences rng drops? everyone gets treated the same, meaning for every guy who plays 500 games a week and get [edited]all there is one guy who plays one game and gets the best possible reward

It all boils down to random luck. Some people is being gifted with more luck than others. But fact is that if you never buy a lottery ticket your chance of winning is zero. Take it or leave it. I don't care.

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9 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

It all boils down to random luck. Some people is being gifted with more luck than others. But fact is that if you never buy a lottery ticket your chance of winning is zero. Take it or leave it. I don't care.

Again, are you saying WG are influencing the drop chance by how much you spend??? (I think you need to take you tinfoil hat off)
I think we all understand how RNG works the question that WG should be asking themselves is " Is it the best way to get peoples money?"

I say no, people will spend more money on a game that is balanced, fair and fun. This system is none of those.

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Maybe they only have a certain pool of the ships to hand out and after that the well runs dry and no-one gets any more?

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1 hour ago, hgbn_dk said:

Never seen AFK being rewarded........ Think you'll need to read up on some stuff.

 

Then you have not seen enough during the last week of/in Dynamo.:cap_fainting: There were at least three very good reasons for that odd DD in every second game to happily drop a permanent anchor once it halted in the Dunkirk Circle, a mere minute after the game started.

 

On a more serious note, RNG events and lootboxes are here to stay. There's a good chance of sales going down with
- more people having less reasons to subscribe for (all tech trees can be completed in less than 2 years of active play anyways. And in accordance to recent trends, literally millions of free exp can be generated in a matter of a week to prepare for future tech tree releases),
- having hardly any universally strong/broken premium ships to invest in. Tirpitz has been nerfed to hell and back and to hell again, Kutuzov/Belfast/Kamikaze R/Guilio C./Graf Z. are all currently unavailable,
- all the frustration going on nowadays (randoms being unenjoyable overall, everyone starsaving in ranked along with the "legend" of game-rigging on WG's behalf...with no real positive changes on the horizon). You could always buy a new shiny premium ship! But for what? It'll be a 50% winrate anyways. :cap_money:

 

However... if there's any form of hype created around something we otherwise would have never even thought of...and some good marketing to go with it...WG's got us reaching to our damn wallets again. Even though I myself made a nigh-perfect vow not to provide a single copper to the developers until I find a bit more fun in this game: this new method of "buy just 2 more guineas besides the 48 you'll earn... in fact, here, take 10, just now, just for you, all for less than an euro/dollar, and you earned yourself a brand new T8 premium destroyer!"...I actually, for the first time since the Moskva Space Camo...reached for my credit card. Even though I am so much against rewarding them at the current state of the game. I fell for it, and I will fall for this again, sadly. Just too good of an offer to walk by. And the situation is similar with the premium containers. Although I personally am immune to them due to great disgust - they are actually nearly as tempting as finishing this event with a nearly fully worked-for Cossack, and quite some players have already fallen to their bait - and will, in the future. 

 

As long as trickery and the artificial scarcity of available rewards for actual effort are in place... WG will not only not slow down with all this RNG in events&purchases - but will get only worse.

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I decided to reward WG for the increased use of RNG boxes.

I wrote a short letter to my MEP in Brussel, asking him what is being done to stop predatory gaming practices that use unlicensed lottery systems. I pointed out that Belgium banned them already.

 

You want RNG events to stop? Ask politicians to start doing their jobs and regulate unlicensed gambling in games.

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Il y a 8 heures, NicramDuel a dit :

 

Then you have not seen enough during the last week of/in Dynamo.:cap_fainting: There were at least three very good reasons for that odd DD in every second game to happily drop a permanent anchor once it halted in the Dunkirk Circle, a mere minute after the game started.

 

On a more serious note, RNG events and lootboxes are here to stay. There's a good chance of sales going down with
- more people having less reasons to subscribe for (all tech trees can be completed in less than 2 years of active play anyways. And in accordance to recent trends, literally millions of free exp can be generated in a matter of a week to prepare for future tech tree releases),
- having hardly any universally strong/broken premium ships to invest in. Tirpitz has been nerfed to hell and back and to hell again, Kutuzov/Belfast/Kamikaze R/Guilio C./Graf Z. are all currently unavailable,
- all the frustration going on nowadays (randoms being unenjoyable overall, everyone starsaving in ranked along with the "legend" of game-rigging on WG's behalf...with no real positive changes on the horizon). You could always buy a new shiny premium ship! But for what? It'll be a 50% winrate anyways. :cap_money:

 

However... if there's any form of hype created around something we otherwise would have never even thought of...and some good marketing to go with it...WG's got us reaching to our damn wallets again. Even though I myself made a nigh-perfect vow not to provide a single copper to the developers until I find a bit more fun in this game: this new method of "buy just 2 more guineas besides the 48 you'll earn... in fact, here, take 10, just now, just for you, all for less than an euro/dollar, and you earned yourself a brand new T8 premium destroyer!"...I actually, for the first time since the Moskva Space Camo...reached for my credit card. Even though I am so much against rewarding them at the current state of the game. I fell for it, and I will fall for this again, sadly. Just too good of an offer to walk by. And the situation is similar with the premium containers. Although I personally am immune to them due to great disgust - they are actually nearly as tempting as finishing this event with a nearly fully worked-for Cossack, and quite some players have already fallen to their bait - and will, in the future. 

 

As long as trickery and the artificial scarcity of available rewards for actual effort are in place... WG will not only not slow down with all this RNG in events&purchases - but will get only worse.

Well, with this event, I just told myself I wouldn't buy any premium ship anymore (instead of the one and a half per month I was buying for the past year)

But short term vision has always been WG guideline. The main issue is when the community will have left, they will have little more money to make.

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11 hours ago, Johnson777 said:

Don't worry, I'm not gonna buy any of those RNG boxes if that's what you thing of.

I just mean I'll play the event week after week to get the containers, and eventually I'll get something.

It's just that this game is more and more synonym of frustration over fun... but that's what they want this game to be, so be it

 

I'm also slowly buying less and less from the premium shop.... so hopefully their casino lootboxes will comensate for that

This exactly.. at times the game really is fun and reminds me of the fun i had in the first year or so. Problem is, that it reminds me of it.. the game becomes more and more frustrating with WG putting unbalanced ships out constantly and walking all over their promise that premium ships wouldn't be better then regular counterparts. though promises by WG are rarely what they sound like tbh, perhaps that's part of it, it's a company that just doesn't follow on their own words and despite what their marketing department want's us to believe doesn't have the players best interest on top of their agenda. that part is reserved for shareholders/investors and the like. Sorry if I sound a bit salty, but this game goes the same direction as WoT, 'slowly' moving from free to play, to pay to win. and that last bit is (beside the lack of any balance) what puts me off a lot of times. I don't want to be encouraged to buy some lottery for the chance to perhaps get a RN destroyer, neither do I want to see those boxes turning up nothing constantly, though that's exactly as they said off course, but if you try to sell those containers too, i'm pretty sure EU did something  about those practices in certain other games. But then again, this is just my opinion, there are probably plenty of people still buying whatever WG says and puts in their store. (they need to make money too, i know ;)  but guess where that money comes from, who pays for their salary and all those grand stands at events..) 

 

Thanks for reading this little messy 'rant'

I wish you all a nice day.

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Il y a 5 minutes, _Caution_BraincellNr2 a dit :

This exactly.. at times the game really is fun and reminds me of the fun i had in the first year or so. Problem is, that it reminds me of it.. the game becomes more and more frustrating with WG putting unbalanced ships out constantly and walking all over their promise that premium ships wouldn't be better then regular counterparts. though promises by WG are rarely what they sound like tbh, perhaps that's part of it, it's a company that just doesn't follow on their own words and despite what their marketing department want's us to believe doesn't have the players best interest on top of their agenda. that part is reserved for shareholders/investors and the like. Sorry if I sound a bit salty, but this game goes the same direction as WoT, 'slowly' moving from free to play, to pay to win. and that last bit is (beside the lack of any balance) what puts me off a lot of times. I don't want to be encouraged to buy some lottery for the chance to perhaps get a RN destroyer, neither do I want to see those boxes turning up nothing constantly, though that's exactly as they said off course, but if you try to sell those containers too, i'm pretty sure EU did something  about those practices in certain other games. But then again, this is just my opinion, there are probably plenty of people still buying whatever WG says and puts in their store. (they need to make money too, i know ;)  but guess where that money comes from, who pays for their salary and all those grand stands at events..) 

 

Thanks for reading this little messy 'rant'

I wish you all a nice day.

Funny we have the same opinion on WoT.... I used to play that game 24/7 until a year ago. Since then I didn't play that game anymore.

The main issue with WoT, is despite that community is dead, and playerbase is just fully carcinogen, I'm pretty sure from WG point of view that game is still alive, as it probably keeps flowing money into their wallet.

Also what WG still don't understand is that casual players are not what makes the community and the game alive. Main problem is, it still makes them a lot of money....

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