This Premium Beta stuff totally wrecked it... an advice for new players.

[BAER_Xyph3r]

 

I had it happen to me once when i shot out a stream of torpedoes 3km away from target and random allied destroyer sailed by and ate half of them,of course i apologized to him and told him that the game warns you when torpedoes are incoming and it shows you the direction on the map.

I heard it's much more effective to help new players rather than yell at them.

 

oh, is that so? and yet earlier today you torp- teamkilled my Divisionmate with your Yolotorps from second line and then ranted at me it in chat about how I should uninstall... ;)

 

because if someone with 12 coop and 3 random battles played teamkills my Divisionmate with his torps, it's obviously my fault.. 

 

 

[Plautuskake]

In my opinion it is good that new players support the game with buying premium ships. Of course it can be annoying that your team lose higher tier (yes tier 7 is quite high) battle because they are testing their new toys, but it should to be remembered that whenever somebody buys premium ship they actually help developing game.  After all game is for profit and WG keeps developing it with our money and in higher tier your team can contain bad players even that all ships are normal ships.

[LazyVegetable]

 

oh, is that so? and yet earlier today you torp- teamkilled my Divisionmate with your Yolotorps from second line and then ranted at me it in chat about how I should uninstall... ;)

 

because if someone with 12 coop and 3 random battles played teamkills my Divisionmate with his torps, it's obviously my fault.. 

 

 

Wasn't talking about you,it was in a different game.

But in your case,yeah you deserve that. I fired my torps long before you where anywhere near,if you looked around a bit you would have noticed my torps going by to smack into the enemy ship and kill it....oh wait,you didn't look and just sailed right into my torps,you had plenty of time to change course slightly or slow down a bit,you just refused to because you wanted a kill that badly.

[Moulie]

I went back to tier 2 to help a mate who just got into the beta today, he was grinding to learn the game!, so I decided to try the IJN DD route as I had mainly gone USN cruisers previously. I have had a lot of practice trying yo get the Phoenix and Omaha into torp firing positions over the last few weeks and know, quite well, the drawbacks of shirt range torps, but today I was dodging more friendly toros than enemy ones. This is coming from a DD with 8k torp range, so I have no idea how far outside of their range most players were firing today....at least double, if not triple the Max range for some. So I feel the OPs pain, but it is down to CAT and CBT originals to help educate and not berate new players for their lack of knowledge. Heck, half the time the spawn point was like a Victorian London pea souper fog with the number of newb DD players hitting smoke at game start!

[NanoTechi]

Don't rage in this game aswell, WOT gets enough of that, just enjoy the game, do your best to show others how it is done and just be pleased with that.

[krautjaeger]

It's been about 15 years since I entered my first beta-test, Anarchy Online. After that it's been a lot, from single-player, multi-player to MMO's. There is nothing that hurts beta-testing more than solely by-the-book gameplay. Playing the game as it was a release, not doing "stupid" stuff does not find the quirks and bugs in a game. This was drilled in to us by developer time and time again. While team-killing is not preferred the guys that yolo will discover features and issues those that are careful does not. Just like a guy in a game I had earlier who got stuck somewhere near an island.

 

When this game is released we can start to talk about these things like we do in WoT, although I hope not because I was starting to enjoy the civility of this game. But as long as this game is in beta, anything that is within the rules of gameplay goes. Yolo is allowed, doing crazy, horrendously stupid shite goes. And when WG sells ships that gives people access to the CBT you can be 150% sure that anything they do with those ships, if it is within the game-rules it goes.

[TANKIE_RN]

Players want in on the CBT they will do anything they can to get in, I would have done the same myself. Players can be [edited] loosing off torps early or just new, either way its still going to happen,

Spamming WG with poor player skill / team kill which is only in your opinion done because they are [edited] or noobs is not going to help. How about swallow your pride and try some helpful advice?

The players who should be reported and as often as possible are the one's leaving toxic messages.

Finally players seem to forget all progress is going to be wiped and when game is open watch those torps fly

Best wishes and good hunting to all

[NecroFlex]

I know the feeling, i just got the game cause i pre-ordered the Yubari (loving it) and i played quite a few games till now and most of my deaths were from ally torps or they hit me just enought for the enemy to finish me off, i remember 1 time where i was sailing in a straight line for over a minute, shooting at an enemy and an ally destroyer was ~500m to my left and a bit infront, i wasn't paying any attention to my surroundings since i saw that no enemy can shoot at me or torp me so i focused on that guy i was shooting, suddenly i hear that famous torp beeping, i look where it's comming from and ofc, my teamamte shot the torps right at me, literally, no chance of dodgning just sudden death...ofc being the nice guy i thank him for the torps and tell him that he shouldn't fire them if an ally is nearby and might get hit by them, when he suddenly says it's my fault for sailing into them...so basically it's my fault for going in a straight line for over a minute and not letting his highness torp the enemy ^^
don't get me wrong, it happens, but srsly, is it that hard to either use your minimap or look around if your torps can hit an ally, i'm new to the game and i learned that from a few videos and by using my logic, but i'm guessing that's a bit hard for some people.
 

[NecroFlex]

Wasn't talking about you,it was in a different game.

But in your case,yeah you deserve that. I fired my torps long before you where anywhere near,if you looked around a bit you would have noticed my torps going by to smack into the enemy ship and kill it....oh wait,you didn't look and just sailed right into my torps,you had plenty of time to change course slightly or slow down a bit,you just refused to because you wanted a kill that badly.

 

this post gave me the toppest of keks

3km is a long way but since torps are fast, those 3km are gone i a few seconds, yes it's also his fault for not looking around enough, but it's your fault aswell since you should fire your torps so that there's more or less no chance of hitting an ally, if u see an enemy who is turning a way that if u shoot an ally might get there, you just don't shoot, u change position and try again don't just shoot them and hope for the best and then killing an ally and be sorry, that just doesn't cut it...

also, looking at that makes me wonder about trolls, so you can fire torps at your ally and hit him/kill him and say sorry or don't get in my way. Tnx man, best trolling method i've seen in a while 10/10, gonna make a smurf for this

[Blue_Bug]

It's a gunboat like the Farragut, at a higher Tier. I also don't get why Jingles advertised it as a solid choice.

 

I don't think Jingles had new players in mind when he advertised it. I think he just judged is as a tier 7 US DD. By the way I love my Sims. I don't think there is a better DD killer at that tier. Ambushing BB's is a litle bit more difficult with the low Torpedo range and alpha damage, but the speed and manouverabillity makes up for it.

 

But you are right with your point, that it is not a ship for beginners, some experience with US DD's is highly recommended before taking this ship out of port.

[cuddlesRO]

and here we start again with people taking this too seriously and shoving that elitist crap all over again.. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to learn your way in this game. I started with my tier 7 premium and did well. I just watched some gameplay before.

 

Stop being so elitist and let people play this game. It's a beta, that's what beta's are for. It's the time where people try all sort of strategies , some bad some good. Let them have it.

[Petao_Sofronije]

and here we start again with people taking this too seriously and shoving that elitist crap all over again.. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to learn your way in this game. I started with my tier 7 premium and did well. I just watched some gameplay before.

 

Stop being so elitist and let people play this game. It's a beta, that's what beta's are for. It's the time where people try all sort of strategies , some bad some good. Let them have it.

 

Beta is not to be TK, beta is not to play against two teams. Beta is to see,look for mistakes, graphical bugs, map invisable island etc. etc. How do you expect to do all that, if you have to look out for enemy and your own team. Not saying new players are all bad, but before spaming your torps, guns, watch where you sail first, check your map, dont ram into team-mates, dont fire torps infront of them. This game is much more then : Tube 1, FIRE!!! What we "old" players say is : Have few games in lower tiers, DD, CA, what ever before you jump into your new prem ship and think you are freaking God almighty. 

 

TY

[Xevious_Red]

Wasn't talking about you,it was in a different game.

But in your case,yeah you deserve that. I fired my torps long before you where anywhere near,if you looked around a bit you would have noticed my torps going by to smack into the enemy ship and kill it....oh wait,you didn't look and just sailed right into my torps,you had plenty of time to change course slightly or slow down a bit,you just refused to because you wanted a kill that badly.

 

Ive played 71 games in destroyers. Think only once accidentally sunk an allied ship (and thats only because a stray torp with a 10km range goes a long way on big race).

 

You've played 10 games in destroyers, killed 2 allies (maybe more?), one time "advised" someone not to get in your torps way, and once told them to uninstall?

 

At 10km+ friendly torp incidents can happen. At 3km its because you shot them either into a friendlys path or you shot them so close to a friendly that a rudder shift puts them into the path of it.

 

[Znail]

It takes two people to have an accident. If a Destroyer is 3km away from an enemy, then you can expect them to launch torpedoes. If you thought they wouldn't because of you being where you were, then maybe you should be some where else? Blocking shots may be a good tactic if you want to hog the kill for yourself, but it's hardly a good team tactic nor does it make you an innocent victim if you get hit.

[cuddlesRO]

@ Petao_Sofronije

 

A lot of bugs can be  discovered by taking the unorthodox approach meaning playing in a different way the most people do. As idiotic as it may seem.

 

If you'd had been working in the QA domain you should have known that ;)

 

Beta's are not about tactics and skill display. You sound like a programmer

[Blue_Bug]

and here we start again with people taking this too seriously and shoving that elitist crap all over again.. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to learn your way in this game. I started with my tier 7 premium and did well. I just watched some gameplay before.

 

Stop being so elitist and let people play this game. It's a beta, that's what beta's are for. It's the time where people try all sort of strategies , some bad some good. Let them have it.

 

 

Please don't misunderstand me. If you tried out your ship and you liked it, there is no problem at all. The point I was making (and to my opinion also one of the points of the OP) was that a tier 7 US DD (I don't have a Japanese DD) is dificult to handle for starters. The concern was that people try it out and don't have fun with it.

 

Most starters have a problem with situation awereness, learning how exactly the controls work and how the different game modes work. When they have to work with a ship where it is more dificult to get good results it might be too much in one time.

 

So, on my side it is not about elitish talk, It is about fun. If it works for you, please continue having fun with it.

[BMARC_]

and here we start again with people taking this too seriously and shoving that elitist crap all over again.. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to learn your way in this game. I started with my tier 7 premium and did well. I just watched some gameplay before.

 

Stop being so elitist and let people play this game. It's a beta, that's what beta's are for. It's the time where people try all sort of strategies , some bad some good. Let them have it.

 

well said, just enjoy and stop moaning

[Xevious_Red]

Depends on the circumstance - if a destroyer is 3km away from an enemy, but their a friendly whos only 1.5km away from the enemy (and is thus between the destroyer and then enemy), and the destroyer launches torps that then hit the friendly, its entirely the destroyers fault.

If your sailing towards a destroyer going parrallel to something and descide to sail down the middle then thats your fault (although the destroyer probably should have enough awareness to hold off his torps until youve got out of the way)

 

 

[Pawndemonium]

To all these beings who said it's elitism or that I should just have fun...

 

This mess of a thread came into existence, because I got sunk twice in a row during the first 2 minutes of the battle (Sims). While the initial post apparently suggests to not play higher tiers from the start, this is not what it was meant to be.

I don't expect anyone to read everything in here, however, telling me to have fun is a valid reason to doubt your reasoning.

 

In general, teamkilling sucks, it gets you reported (and from what I can tell banned in some cases), that's the basic idea behind this thread. I obviously have fun, but don't feel like explaining why, as those who'd ask couldn't even read so far anyway.

[Broevaharo]

Intentional teamkilling will get you banned yes, newby mistakes won't.
I understand you get upset by a stupid launch but this will pass, people learn and if they get sunk a lot in their Sims they will drop down to lower tiers to learn it the proper way because no-one likes to get insta killed over and over again.

And yes I agree that a Sims is not a good starter ship

[Hanszeehock]

To all these beings who said it's elitism or that I should just have fun...

 

This mess of a thread came into existence, because I got sunk twice in a row during the first 2 minutes of the battle (Sims). While the initial post apparently suggests to not play higher tiers from the start, this is not what it was meant to be.

I don't expect anyone to read everything in here, however, telling me to have fun is a valid reason to doubt your reasoning.

 

In general, teamkilling sucks, it gets you reported (and from what I can tell banned in some cases), that's the basic idea behind this thread. I obviously have fun, but don't feel like explaining why, as those who'd ask couldn't even read so far anyway.

 

I think you are being very naive. Every time we have had a new batch of players we have had this problem to some extent. New players are curious and just click on things wondering: what will this do ? Having said that, I was in about 25 battles yesterday and did not witness a single team kill. You might want to think more about your own ships positioning in the circumstances.

[OldGrandad]

Intentional teamkilling will get you banned yes, newby mistakes won't.

I understand you get upset by a stupid launch but this will pass, people learn and if they get sunk a lot in their Sims they will drop down to lower tiers to learn it the proper way because no-one likes to get insta killed over and over again.

And yes I agree that a Sims is not a good starter ship

 

This with cream and chocolate sprinkles on.

 

To be realistic I have not witnessed any more extra torpedo spamming than from when we had the first Weekend Beta and the Closed Beta player intakes. Of course you will get a few that mistaking think their 5km torpedoes will go for 50km and then realise that there was not quite as much range as first imagined! Best not to rage at them but to inform them as we need this latest influx of players to understand the game mechanics rather than a few 'hotheads' slate them in game (and here in forum).

 

I have had a few conversations with some of the new players and found them to be extremely glad to be involved and were more than happy me advising what best to do.

 

Teach not taunt. 

[krautjaeger]

 

This with cream and chocolate sprinkles on.

 

To be realistic I have not witnessed any more extra torpedo spamming than from when we had the first Weekend Beta and the Closed Beta player intakes. Of course you will get a few that mistaking think their 5km torpedoes will go for 50km and then realise that there was not quite as much range as first imagined! Best not to rage at them but to inform them as we need this latest influx of players to understand the game mechanics rather than a few 'hotheads' slate them in game (and here in forum).

 

I have had a few conversations with some of the new players and found them to be extremely glad to be involved and were more than happy me advising what best to do.

 

Teach not taunt. 

 

You can catch a lot more flies with honey yes and teaching rather than flaming is a much better way to do it. :-)

 

Even so, we all need to remember to not discourage people from trying things out, even though it may seem stupid, as said before because it is a test. All data is valid. I am currently trying to reproduce something that happened yesterday when an ally fired torpedoes and I was in the way and my battleship had no chance avoiding the. Beep-beep and all that, torpedoes apparently slammed in to my ship but nothing. No explosion, no damage. So I will be riding around today trying to catch torpedoes at different ranges, with different ships, different maps and all that which a beta-tester has to do.

 

Yes it is odd to observe, yes it has nothing to do with how we would play the game at release, but it is part of the process of a beta-tester. To boldly seek out stuff, and boldly go, where no one has gone before. ;-)

[NecroFlex]

 

I think you are being very naive. Every time we have had a new batch of players we have had this problem to some extent. New players are curious and just click on things wondering: what will this do ? Having said that, I was in about 25 battles yesterday and did not witness a single team kill. You might want to think more about your own ships positioning in the circumstances.

Yeah man, you're right, i always wondered what would happen if i shove 4 torps into my ally, u know, for the shits'n giggles.

oh look, my ally is right beside me, let's give him some freedom

 

[CloakingDonkey]

My first game in a destroyer I accidentally TKd a teammate.

 

It happens. Torpedoes and the way ships move takes a while to get used to if you've never played a naval game before...

 

chill out and let the newbies learn =/