garage slots from space ships

[croshad]

Is this for real ? I can understand being fed s*** in WoT cause we throw money at them no matter what floats our way but here, in closed beta this has already started ?

[BAER_Xyph3r]

wow.. that's just... really? oh come on wg, seriously..? 

 

 

oh well, torches-and-pitchforks-time, i guess... 

 

 

[GrumpyWorm]

Islacrusez, on 14 April 2015 - 06:50 PM, said:

They are Na - they are already different community.

 

 So what's standing between us, the communities, and unity? 

Different offices , different servers, different advertising policy, different economies, different gold prices, different routing & ping, different world wide partners, different offers in shop, different VATs - you need more? There are dozen of different things.

They were never united since early days of WOT, so i dont see the point in repeating same thing over and over again after each different event or contest or offer on servers. 

 

Sometimes they have better offers, sometimes we have better events and that is how things work.

[BEAR_B4R4]

Does WG realize this will hurt them in the long run? DO they realize HOW many people this will upset? Do they realize the only (really useful, others miss half the update posts) facebook page is the NA one, and that one onlystates in the url that it is the NA one. So of course everyone getting their wows news there assumes it counts for all regions unless stated otherwise. 

Sometimes they have better offers, sometimes we have better events and that is how things work.

Sometimes™: My experience of sometimes so far regarding WoWs: NA getting ALL the twitter/facebook key giveaways, NA getting fleet-pack earlier and discounted, NA getting 5 (!) free slots. And oh, did I mention the Bismarck is confirmed as Premium-ship on NA, but not mentiond in the corresponding post on EU? Please don't tell me the Bismarck will be NA-exclusive as well, because sometimes NA has the better deals.

Sorry, but noone buys that sometimes, the region bias is real...

[GrumpyWorm]

No, Bismarck is confirmed Tier VIII. Will it be premium  - most likely, since it was announced as that, but we dont know details.

[Figment]

Thing is, EU players in general tend to pay more (yes, due to VAT too), get less goodies, frequently get things later and often times not at all or neutered. And let's not get started about server maintenance time selections.

 

 

That's not just Wargaming though. Just look at releases of console games for starters. Or online television program availability due to copyright (or pure desinterest). Over the years, EU players been filling a very big bucket of oil that frequently spills over when big differences occur between playerbases based on geography and is prone to catching fire with a few sparks of sarcasm.

 

 

 

In this case, the US players got virtually double the port slots, over night. More days of an event. While we get nothing on top of the two days. You may say different marketing teams and all, but that's no excuse for not coordinating large events and rewards across the regions.

 

You know. They got e-mail these days. And localization isn't really a reason in this case.

[Islacrusez]

Different offices , different servers, different advertising policy, different economies, different gold prices, different routing & ping, different world wide partners, different offers in shop, different VATs - you need more? There are dozen of different things.

They were never united since early days of WOT, so i dont see the point in repeating same thing over and over again after each different event or contest or offer on servers. 

 

Sometimes they have better offers, sometimes we have better events and that is how things work.

 

WG, WG, WG, WG, WG, back-end work that's part and parcel of running a server of any kind, inevitable part of connecting to a server of any kind and something that non-EU non-NA non-RU players have to put up with on WoT already, WG, WG, and I think we can figure out how to pay tax.

 

You asked how WG is splitting the community, and we have answered. Most of the things you've mentioned are things that WG is doing and some of those things are specifically things you're doing that divides your community. As for how things were back in the early days of WoT; I remember the Russian CBT; a lot of European players were in the Russian beta just to get in on the action. We could barely communicate with our teammates but we did as best as we could. We gave feedback from the Russian CBT on the English forums The community didn't care for language differences and national borders; not back then, and it still doesn't care now.

 

Personally I had somewhat accepted it, but you asked the question, and who am I to deny you the answer. WG, reap what you sow. If you don't like the growing resentment, sow something else.

 

o7

[croshad]

[azakow]

Clearly you haven't seen the Supertester posts in which it is explained that the EU CBT feedback (as opposed to the numbers) is not being reviewed by the developers because we're not the Russian community.

I have not seen this post.

Would you mind to provide a link.

Thank you.

 

Devs are not reviewing the CBT feedback from EU servers?!

In case this is true, then WG would waste their efforts on something that does not pay off for the company or thier furture product.

Even with my limited knowledge about CB testing, I cannot see any evidence that WG was or is wasting efforts from a bussiness point of view.

 

The point is that people without toblerinos or whatever they are called this week simply cannot really test things. They're forced to regularly sell ships, or just say 'well I'd like to test X, but I'm out of slots and I  don't want to stop playingships  A, B, or C, so I just won't play X at all'

 

This is a translated and slightly paraphrased quote I've heard from several beta testers. And since there is no way to get the gold from the WoT account in the beta, they'd either have to buy duplos just for the beta(which equals paying WG to test the game), or not test things.

 

This represents a net loss of data for WG, which strikes me as an odd decision for a beta test.

 

On the other hand, when I hear that EU supertesters are ignored anyway, I wonder why we even bother posting here at all.

I have never taken part in CBT for any products before.

I assume, that CB testers have to stick with what is offered by WG.

I also assume, that someone at WG has spend some thought on how many slots are needed to meet the minimum test requirements.

 

I am here for testing. Sometimes I tent to fall into a "playing" mode, obviously this happens to you too.

 

A loss of data for WG?

I assume, that WG is quite capable to generate an environment in which the desired data is generated.

Just recently we had the "space ship" event with tier X only.

 

I also wonder about the reasons of some  "CB testers" to post here.

 

 

Pretty much this. It's not like they are trying to screw us over, it just feels very lazy over here, like so many people said on wot, being treated like 2nd rate customers. They can't even be arsed to make a twitter page either, you have Na, Ru and Asia but everything eu is just dumped on a single wg account.

 

NA also had a in-game damage competition, as well as facebook giveaways. Ru had a drawing competition, wouldn't be surprised if they got much more, i don't follow them really. EU gets nothing, most we can hope for is some other region creating something and us getting a worse copy weeks later is someone even bothers to do it.

 

 

 Sorry man, but as a long standing WG customer i can only laugh at this. I realize why you have to write this but it's so disheartening to see the EU practices from WoT are gonna be here as well.

Define customer: a person who purchases goods or services from another; buyer; patron.

 

I am a WG customer for a product called WoT.

I have spend some money on this product.

I have not purchaced anthing related to WoWS so far, but only spend time to in CBT.

 

 

Have you purchased something already?

Please let us what your purchase is.

Thank you.

[Kruzenstern]

As someone who has played WoT both on NA and EU server for a long time,  I can actually support the claim that the grass is always greener on the other side. When I was playing on the NA server, it was always EU who got the better events and offers. When I switched to EU, it was always NA who got the better stuff. At least thats how it appeared to me and how the forum perceived it too. But in the end I guess it is just a psychological thing, you will always notice when the other side gets something you don't, but you will rarely notice when you get something the other side doesn't, and even if you do, since the advantage is yours, it is all fair, no?

 

I just wudda thunk that WG would learn from the dissent that often causes and synchronize their stuff over servers as much as possible. But I guess they are just humans after all, and if there is one thing humans are good at, it is repeating mistakes of the past rather than learning from history...

[Hauptbahnhof]

Different offices , different servers, different advertising policy, different economies, different gold prices, different routing & ping, different world wide partners, different offers in shop, different VATs - you need more? There are dozen of different things.

They were never united since early days of WOT, so i dont see the point in repeating same thing over and over again after each different event or contest or offer on servers. 

 

Sometimes they have better offers, sometimes we have better events and that is how things work.

 

Can you perhaps point out exactly which of these reasons are relevant for giving the NA testers 5 more slots so they can properly test the game but that this is not possible to do for EU testers?

 

If you ask me what I think I suspect the reason is as a few others pointed out previously that wargaming doesn't care about the feedback from EU anyways, so why provide us with the tools needed to test out all ships?

 

After all EU is full of evil Germans, right?

[croshad]

Define customer: a person who purchases goods or services from another; buyer; patron.

 

I am a WG customer for a product called WoT.

I have spend some money on this product.

I have not purchaced anthing related to WoWS so far, but only spend time to in CBT.

 

 

Have you purchased something already?

Please let us what your purchase is.

Thank you.

 

I made numerous Wargaming purchases and therefore i am a Wargaming customer. And that is what i claim in my post. I did not buy anything related to warships yet. My reposnse was to BBV who representes Wargaming as a whole as he also moderates the WoT forums and i assume WoWP as well.

 

Passive aggressive attack with petty semantics was to be expected seeing the rest of your post. Why i think there is a lack of effort on WG EU part in the very beginnings of this game was explained in my post. I guess, with people like you in the EU playerbase we deserve the treatment we get.

[azakow]

croshad, on 15 April 2015 - 08:55 AM, said:

Passive aggressive attack with petty semantics was to be expected seeing the rest of your post. Why i think there is a lack of effort on WG EU part in the very beginnings of this game was explained in my post. I guess, with people like you in the EU playerbase we deserve the treatment we get.

Are you reflecting?

[VonVolks]

It's fair enough to talk about tax and servers etc as that is all legit. But I can't see reasoning behind giving some players 5 free virtual artifacts (port slots) in a TEST environment and not to others, unless they are testing how much they can get away with, without people noticing?

[Deyu198]

Different offices , different servers, different advertising policy, different economies, different gold prices, different routing & ping, different world wide partners, different offers in shop, different VATs - you need more? There are dozen of different things.

They were never united since early days of WOT, so i dont see the point in repeating same thing over and over again after each different event or contest or offer on servers. 

 

Sometimes they have better offers, sometimes we have better events and that is how things work.

 

And you expect people to pay you money with that attitude? This is unreal.

[BAER_Xyph3r]

well, there is posts the Facebook group saying that both NA and SEA got to keep their slots. this is total bullship.

 

so you wanna tell me that i should give you money for slots,just because i live on a different part of the planet? 

 

maybe we EU players should tell YOU to go torp yourselves and demand refunding of our Preorder bundles. - i bet you would not like THEM apples, huh?

 

 

 -although i like the game too much to actually do that...

 

 

[Islacrusez]

I have not seen this post.

Would you mind to provide a link.

Thank you.

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/9556-where-are-the-developers/page__pid__161983#entry161983

 

Shepbur's two posts here are what I refer to, though my conclusion isn't there in writing. Draw your own as you see fit.

[twibs]

They'll get cleared with progress wipes anyway, so I don't see the fuss.

[ciarancummins]

They'll get cleared with progress wipes anyway, so I don't see the fuss.

 

I agree, they should be given to CBT for testing. I would not expect them in OBT. Battles take a long time, and I am getting close to 300, but still only at T6 for each ship class. it should be easier to grind in CBT to allow WG to get more feedback.

[Nerf_Harder]

well, there is posts the Facebook group saying that both NA and SEA got to keep their slots. this is total bullship.

 

so you wanna tell me that i should give you money for slots,just because i live on a different part of the planet? 

 

maybe we EU players should tell YOU to go torp yourselves and demand refunding of our Preorder bundles. - i bet you would not like THEM apples, huh?

 

WG gave you 6 slots for free. You rant because you do not get more for free. How old are you? 10?

"But mommy, the other boy just got some icecream. I want some too!"

 

If WG decides 6 slots are enough it is their choice.

You want more? Get a job, buy some gold, pay for it. Accept your place in the world.

You cannot live with it? Please do not pollute zeh forums.

[BEAR_B4R4]

 

WG gave you 6 slots for free. You rant because you do not get more for free. How old are you? 10?

"But mommy, the other boy just got some icecream. I want some too!"

 

If WG decides 6 slots are enough it is their choice.

You want more? Get a job, buy some gold, pay for it. Accept your place in the world.

You cannot live with it? Please do not pollute zeh forums.

 

Is there any reason you need to take this from a discussion if it's ok to treat the playerbase in other regions significantly different to flaming a single person? You talk about "polluting zeh forums", ever thought about, what your estimated age is with this spelling? Mind if i cut your contribution to the discussion down, so it doesn't "pollute" this thread?

 

WG gave you 6 slots for free. You rant because you do not get more for free. How old are you? 10?

"But mommy, the other boy just got some icecream. I want some too!"

 

If WG decides 6 slots are enough it is their choice.

You want more? Get a job, buy some gold, pay for it. Accept your place in the world.

You cannot live with it? Please do not pollute zeh forums.

No, I don't give WG credit for giving me 6 slots for free, because this is the basic amount every WG-game has. And apparently WG thinks in two of three regions "Hey, for proper testing, the playerbase needs a few more slots". And to be honest: You need more slots, I only have ships in my port i actually enjoy to play. I'd love to play a different line, but selling a ship I enjoy for that? I just feel ripped off by WG, if I pay for every additional slot, and my friend next door, just because he got into NA-beta, gets five of them for free...yeah, scumbag me for feeling like that, I know.

[BAER_Xyph3r]

 

Is there any reason you need to take this from a discussion if it's ok to treat the playerbase in other regions significantly different to flaming a single person? You talk about "polluting zeh forums", ever thought about, what your estimated age is with this spelling? Mind if i cut your contribution to the discussion down, so it doesn't "pollute" this thread?

No, I don't give WG credit for giving me 6 slots for free, because this is the basic amount every WG-game has. And apparently WG thinks in two of three regions "Hey, for proper testing, the playerbase needs a few more slots". And to be honest: You need more slots, I only have ships in my port i actually enjoy to play. I'd love to play a different line, but selling a ship I enjoy for that? I just feel ripped off by WG, if I pay for every additional slot, and my friend next door, just because he got into NA-beta, gets five of them for free...yeah, scumbag me for feeling like that, I know.

 

+1

 

also: i do not have a problem with spending money for port slots once the game is live. i'm just saying it's a tad unfair that eu players are the only ones that even have to buy them in beta. 

[Hornet331]

 

Is there any reason you need to take this from a discussion if it's ok to treat the playerbase in other regions significantly different to flaming a single person? You talk about "polluting zeh forums", ever thought about, what your estimated age is with this spelling? Mind if i cut your contribution to the discussion down, so it doesn't "pollute" this thread?

No, I don't give WG credit for giving me 6 slots for free, because this is the basic amount every WG-game has. And apparently WG thinks in two of three regions "Hey, for proper testing, the playerbase needs a few more slots". And to be honest: You need more slots, I only have ships in my port i actually enjoy to play. I'd love to play a different line, but selling a ship I enjoy for that? I just feel ripped off by WG, if I pay for every additional slot, and my friend next door, just because he got into NA-beta, gets five of them for free...yeah, scumbag me for feeling like that, I know.

 

Will be pretty funny when they introduce US BBs and jap CVs.

[custardSPARTA]

Different offices , different servers, different advertising policy, different economies, different gold prices, different routing & ping, different world wide partners, different offers in shop, different VATs - you need more? There are dozen of different things.

They were never united since early days of WOT, so i dont see the point in repeating same thing over and over again after each different event or contest or offer on servers. 

 

Sometimes they have better offers, sometimes we have better events and that is how things work.

 

Get your facts right they do not have VAT did you mean they have different taxes?

 

Doesn't matter how many times you say it if it is wrong the division comes from WG most people who play games consider themselves to be part of the same community if they play the same game. Can I not be part of the same community with people I have known and played games with for over a decade just because you say so?

 

I totally understand WGs need to make money this isn't about that not giving theses slots to testers from one group but giving them to others smacks of either bias or WG EU couldn't care less for it's playerbase.

 

 

[Hanszeehock]

 

Clearly you haven't seen the Supertester posts in which it is explained that the EU CBT feedback (as opposed to the numbers) is not being reviewed by the developers because we're not the Russian community.

 

This made me quite angry, because it is total bollocks. It's not what Shep said at all. And it's completely untrue.