[UTW] ShinGetsu Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 8,985 posts 7,359 battles Report post #26 Posted September 17, 2018 Can you just look at fact, and not just take everything that goes in your direction ? Yeah, Khebab have worse ruddershift, worse concealment, and turn almost as wide as the Harugumo (Harugumo still get the highest Turning radius). And yes, speed make agility. Between a ship that drops to 33 knots when turning over 800 a meters radius, and a ship that only drops to 43 knots with the same 800 meters, which one do you think will finish its turn first ? If anything, the LEAST relevant thing is the rudder shift. Firts because Khebab doesn't care at all about being stealthy, you can just stack both, while Harugumo needs the concealment, and will probably also take the engine improvement upgrade over the rudder, which even things out on that department. Also, that 50mm plating. It's not just useful against other DD. It's also very, very invaluable when getting fired at by most CA with HE. With the only exception of Hindenburg and Henri IV with IFHE. Let's not forget the heal, which, combined to the speed, make Khaba one of the most annoying bugger in the game. Harugumo have to take far more risks to do the same things and can't even heal. Instead it has a smoke which means it needs someone to spot for him. Another point is the gunnery. Sure, the Harugumo can hit farther than the Khebab, but the balistic is far, far better on the Khebab. At range the IJN 100mm looks like Atlanta rainbow, and you can have five salvo in the air at the same time. It's impressive but doesn't helps at all when trying to accurately nail a kiting ship, while Khebab will just laugh. Also Khebab legendary upgrade gives it even more range, so the old nerf was actually reverted so long as you accept to give up the ruddershift upgrade... Finally, Khebab and Harugumo doesn't have the same gameplay at all. One is the annoying bugger that stack fire upon fire and melt your life away from the open side, while the other is more a support ship that helps the main group of his team, being a little ahead or on the side, and can catch another DD offguard with torps or its concealment+firepower. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Teob_ Players 1,625 posts 14,901 battles Report post #27 Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, ShinGetsu said: *snip* the tl;dr of that is: stop comparing apples to pears especially when those apples and pears have similar win rates which happen to be some of the best tier for tier 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLITZ] Desteban Players 325 posts 10,326 battles Report post #28 Posted September 18, 2018 Wait, a buff Khaba thread? Disregard everything those gentlemen above me said OP. You are absolutely right, she is indeed in dire need of a buff! I swear I need more firechance, thanks to those cpt skills that reduce fire chance I can hardly burn down BBs anymore?! Its getting ridiculous, I mean I make more firedmg with Wooster than with Khaba. This is Outrageous! BB fear some CL more than the King of the Sea Stalinium Khabarovsk!? To be more serious though with Legendary module she doesn't really suffer from "CL has better concealment than me/radar range and rapes me" like other DDs... Quote you mean "don't match it with other DDs, Minotaur and Worcester that all have better concealment" ? Not like they didn't shoot me but that rainbow of shells they made kinda didn't hit much... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF2] Hugh_Ruka Players 4,054 posts 5,642 battles Report post #29 Posted September 27, 2018 Just watched Flamus video on the Daring ... looks like another nail in the coffin for the Khabarovsk, especially now that the 50mm plate does nothing against DD AP even ... So we are left with a race boat .... oh my .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,131 battles Report post #30 Posted September 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said: Just watched Flamus video on the Daring ... looks like another nail in the coffin for the Khabarovsk, especially now that the 50mm plate does nothing against DD AP even ... So we are left with a race boat .... oh my .... Try hitting a Khaba in a Daring at 10+ km.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] Ysterpyp Players 1,490 posts 25,836 battles Report post #31 Posted September 27, 2018 On 9/17/2018 at 1:51 PM, Riselotte said: Because speed and the ability to actually dodge things, accuracy at range and a repair party don't count for anything. Also, 50 mm armour plate on a DD... Only if you play against a bad bb shot , play against a good one and you're absolute garbage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #32 Posted September 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ysterpyp said: Only if you play against a bad bb shot , play against a good one and you're absolute garbage Well, not every BB is yamato. On something like Kurfürst, dispersion giveth, dispersion taketh away. also, it still is the hardest to hit DD at T10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] Ysterpyp Players 1,490 posts 25,836 battles Report post #33 Posted September 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Riselotte said: Well, not every BB is yamato. On something like Kurfürst, dispersion giveth, dispersion taketh away. i was one shotted in my Fletcher with SE 12km away with a GK , it has high velocity which makes it alot easier . so yea... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #34 Posted September 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Ysterpyp said: i was one shotted in my Fletcher with SE 12km away with a GK , it has high velocity which makes it alot easier . so yea... Certainly not down those leet aiming skillz... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] Ysterpyp Players 1,490 posts 25,836 battles Report post #35 Posted September 27, 2018 My opinion still stays the same that the current iteration of khaba is a terrible ship and is objectively mediocre Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,131 battles Report post #36 Posted September 27, 2018 When 52% WR is medicore then A LOT of DD need a buff! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atorpad Players 669 posts 19,048 battles Report post #37 Posted September 27, 2018 why trashcan has 8 km torps but kebab has 6 km ?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] SV_Kompresor Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 5,868 posts Report post #38 Posted September 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, Atorpad said: why trashcan has 8 km torps but kebab has 6 km ?! This....in many cases I find tashkent to be better than kebab 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RO-RN] Animalul2012 Players 1,345 posts 21,361 battles Report post #39 Posted September 27, 2018 all people here talking trash about this special boat that almost none of them ever played! all of these people that cry russian bias, russian bias, russian bias! well this ship was OP when it came out it could kill anything except a carrier however it got then a range nerf a dpm nerf then it got a 100 more damage in the HE shells and a heal then it got its ruddershift nerfed this forced you to take stering gears mod 3 istead of concealment now your concealment is an awful 9.7km one! and then you got your 10km torps removed and you are left with the 6km ones. this ship has been nerfed 4 times in a row where is the bias??? the only russian bias in this game is called stalingrad thats it for now! the heal is not enough daring has that now aswell and it gets also smoke( but it is still in testing maybe they will change something maybe) and that 50mm plating is more of a weakness, why? because that wil allow most destroyers , cruisers and battleships AP to cause a pen eating dealing around 3,8 to 5k damage in a 22500 hp dd. the only good thing about the khaba is that its guns have very good ballistics and the 0.6 detection torps( you are gonna use them alot XD). this ship needs its concealment down to 8.6 km a 4.5 sec reload or give it better rudder shift lets say 8.7 sec. this boat needs help you dont see it anymore in randoms. also i would like conqueror worcester and harugumo and that power creeping dd daring ( if it gets released like it is now) the same fate as this boat!! give them 4 consecutive nerfs remove radar, make theyre HE shells have 0% fire chance give them 10km concealment make these op ships suffer like this one. but no russian bias americans dont have strong boats at all! now i hope they wont over buff it if they do buff it! oh and i forgot about the speed... well french ones can go 55 knots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-GG-] radius77 [-GG-] Players 430 posts 29,594 battles Report post #40 Posted September 27, 2018 On 17.09.2018 at 2:59 PM, von_chom said: you are using smoke, right pick, prem. speed boost and prem. heal mount engine boost modification reskill the cap to this ( you reallly need max point cap for it) Hide contents I tried once similar build (w/o concealment) but I was "healed" very fast by a Minotaur that outspoted me by 500m. And that was even before Worcester came to town 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OM] wanninger17 [OM] Players 5,610 posts 21,896 battles Report post #41 Posted September 27, 2018 Buffs for Khaba? feelsridiculousman. Why would you want to buff a ship that is in a pretty good shape while other DDs (looking at you Shima) are underperforming af. Sure Khaba got it's very special "run-and-gun"-gameplay, but that is not making her less useable. If you know/learn how to play "Khaba-style" you won't have big problems reaching a great winrate/avg Dmg and having lots of fun, if you can't handle her, pick another ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF2] Hugh_Ruka Players 4,054 posts 5,642 battles Report post #42 Posted September 28, 2018 On 9/27/2018 at 11:16 AM, ColonelPete said: Try hitting a Khaba in a Daring at 10+ km.... Why would I want to do that when I can get to him at 6km and he has no clue I am there ? then just open up with AP and melt him ? And that rate of fire and Khaba rudder shift, even 8-10km is viable range. On 9/27/2018 at 11:58 AM, Riselotte said: Well, not every BB is yamato. On something like Kurfürst, dispersion giveth, dispersion taketh away. also, it still is the hardest to hit DD at T10. Dunno ... my only BB is a Bismarck and I do happily AP Khabas at quite extended ranges when I hit them that is .... which is reasonably often ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,131 battles Report post #43 Posted September 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Hugh_Ruka said: Why would I want to do that when I can get to him at 6km and he has no clue I am there ? then just open up with AP and melt him ? And that rate of fire and Khaba rudder shift, even 8-10km is viable range. Why would a Khaba want to get that close? If you cannot play your ship, you get bad results. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF2] Hugh_Ruka Players 4,054 posts 5,642 battles Report post #44 Posted September 28, 2018 2 hours ago, ColonelPete said: Why would a Khaba want to get that close? If you cannot play your ship, you get bad results. how do you avoid a ship you don't know it's there ? you seem to only be playing Khaba games where you know where all your enemy ships are ... that's generally not the case ... the other DDs usually know where the Khaba is, it does not work the other way around .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,131 battles Report post #45 Posted September 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said: how do you avoid a ship you don't know it's there ? you seem to only be playing Khaba games where you know where all your enemy ships are ... that's generally not the case ... the other DDs usually know where the Khaba is, it does not work the other way around .... Hunter Killer Teams A Khaba should always use another friendly DD as spotter. If there is non, you play extra careful and stay close to your team. Any Daring opening fire at 6km will face multiple enemies in 6 to 8 km. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Pekoe_Darjeeling Weekend Tester 2,385 posts 10,008 battles Report post #46 Posted September 28, 2018 Question - Is the Kaharbaahabarovks still working today? Or is it outdated by other OP ships? Anything regarding ship's play? Smoke or Heal? Tactics? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,131 battles Report post #47 Posted September 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, Geralt_z_Rivii365 said: Question - Is the Kaharbaahabarovks still working today? Or is it outdated by other OP ships? Anything regarding ship's play? Smoke or Heal? Tactics? You do not read much, do you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Pekoe_Darjeeling Weekend Tester 2,385 posts 10,008 battles Report post #48 Posted September 28, 2018 7 hours ago, ColonelPete said: You do not read much, do you? no It's ok now - I didn't notice it was a fresh topic rather than an old one since we had khbahabarovsk in game for years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KillSlim Beta Tester 174 posts 3,539 battles Report post #49 Posted September 29, 2018 On 9/27/2018 at 2:05 PM, wanninger17 said: Buffs for Khaba? feelsridiculousman. Why would you want to buff a ship that is in a pretty good shape while other DDs (looking at you Shima) are underperforming af. Sure Khaba got it's very special "run-and-gun"-gameplay, but that is not making her less useable. If you know/learn how to play "Khaba-style" you won't have big problems reaching a great winrate/avg Dmg and having lots of fun, if you can't handle her, pick another ship. It's really not in a good shape, and yes there are worse dd's but that doesn't detract from Khaba's bad position. It just can't perform well enough now that the only way to effectively field it is to suffer a 9.7 km detection radius with all 3 rudder modules to make up for it's abysmal handling. In terms of size it's comparable to some lower tier cruisers, so it's easy to hit and easy to spot. Torps went from being occasionally useful (Like the ones on Tashkent) to yolo last ditch weapons. The 50 mm armour simply gets this thing wrecked fast by bigger ships. Khabarovsk Shimikaze Gearing Pheonix Kuma Svietlana Karlsruhe Iwaki Alpha Danae Yubari I want some more replies showing Khaba is actually okay by posting some winrate stats which are skewed from back when it was OP. You don't see it much in games these days because it's outshone by Grozovoi and Harugumo. The only reason I have games with it is because Khaba is my 1st T10 DD but I'll let it gather dust from now on, using it is an intentional handicap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,131 battles Report post #50 Posted September 29, 2018 The winrates I posted are recent winrates, not old ones.... Stop making stuff up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
