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Is there any chance of Harekaze being available before the end of month, when the collaboration ends?

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24 minutes ago, IsoA said:

Is there any chance of Harekaze being available before the end of month, when the collaboration ends?

I would say that while the chance for it is there, all signs point to no. HSF ships were available for the duration of the collab in NA's shop, just a week ago they were removed. Here's the relevant reddit thread:

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

Based on?

Wishful thinking? :Smile_trollface:

 

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20 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

Based on?

We do no know for sure that WG will not sell the ship again --> Chance for sale >0%

That is what any chance means.

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Well there might be a chance for a non HSF harekaze similar to how we have the kamikaze and the kamikaze R.

But i would not expect it any time soon but wargaming wasting a shipmodel that can be reskinned and sold again does not seem likely to me.

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3 minutes ago, piet11111 said:

Well there might be a chance for a non HSF harekaze similar to how we have the kamikaze and the kamikaze R.

But i would not expect it any time soon but wargaming wasting a shipmodel that can be reskinned and sold again does not seem likely to me.

They would have to rename it. And do some other changes so that they are safe from a lawsuit. There's no Harekaze in real life, the name is a registered trademark of Kadokawa, a multimedia giant on the Japanese market.

But the possibility exists.

 

5 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

@Ev1n said on gamescom steam, that they were in negotiations to prolong or even extend the cooperation agreement with HSF.

 

But he couldn't confirm anything then. 

There's the High School Fleet: Maidens of Loreley spin off, so prolonging the cooperation to milk the fans would make sense. Plus there's an upcoming movie...

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9 minutes ago, piet11111 said:

Well there might be a chance for a non HSF harekaze similar to how we have the kamikaze and the kamikaze R.

But i would not expect it any time soon but wargaming wasting a shipmodel that can be reskinned and sold again does not seem likely to me.

Well, depends on how legal it is to use the Harekaze ship design even reskinned. 

8 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

@Ev1n said on Gamescom stream, that they were in negotiations to prolong or even extend the cooperation agreement with HSF.

 

But he couldn't confirm anything then. 

Well, let's hope for it. As is, Harekaze is the T8 IJN DD premium the game needs. 

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I certainly hope so. Annoys me that I didn't pick it up the last time around.

 

EDIT: *casts "Summon @MrConway"*

 

Can you shed some light on the subject?

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With the current Azure Lane promo going on, it seems unikely that any HSF activity will take place for at least the next 17 days.

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29 minutes ago, Klopirat said:

According to Sehales in the German subforum it is rather unlikely that the HSF content will come back in the future

 

That post is obviously not including the possibility of a prolonged cooperation agreement. 

 

But as I said, we just know that they were considering that. 

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It would be a great shame if Harekaze (or a non-HSF version of some sort) never returned - the IJN DD line needs a sensible, well-balanced T8 premium, and I think it's fair to say that Asashio isn't it.

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19 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

the IJN DD line needs a sensible, well-balanced T8 premium, and I think it's fair to say that Asashio isn't it.

 

Asashio gets too much hate in my opinion though.

It is an anti-BB specialist that has to utilize its stealth in order to outplay gun-focused DDs around the caps.

To me it is an interesting ship.

 

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12 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

Asashio gets too much hate in my opinion though.

I agree wholeheartedly - I think she may be my most played ship; that said, she is distinctly peculiar though - each line, in my view, should ideally have at least one premium that is reasonably typical, so as to be a useful trainer, and ideally, it should be around T8.

Asashio tends to perform best with a slightly eccentric captain set-up...

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7 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

It would be a great shame if Harekaze (or a non-HSF version of some sort) never returned - the IJN DD line needs a sensible, well-balanced T8 premium, and I think it's fair to say that Asashio isn't it.

I'm not sure whether it is my love for the ship or whether it is actually the case that post-buff Harekaze is OP. I'm inclined to say, the ship is still within limits, as its utility only grew against cruisers and BBs (unless you spec out of IFHE and into anti-DD skills), which aren't hard-countered by it. It certainly makes Harekaze a very respectable ship though that truely is incredibly versatile.

19 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

Asashio gets too much hate in my opinion though.

It is an anti-BB specialist that has to utilize its stealth in order to outplay gun-focused DDs around the caps.

To me it is an interesting ship.

I will never not lament the existence of this ship, for its design is just ridiculous and bad for the game. The thing it can do, it does ridiculously easy (compared to everyone else), while the things where it is challenged, there are some hard counters where even the greatest skill won't get you out, unless the enemy is full potato. No doubt, it can get results. It proves that in randoms, when it basically enables every moron to get results, as long as they know they can only torp BBs and CVs (which actually to some is still a challenge), but due to its design, it basically becomes a ship where every idiot can feel like a unicum, while any decently skilled player can either engage in sadistic revenge against the BB plague or bore their socks off. It's a ship like GZ (and partly Conqueror), in that it has insane strengths, glaring weaknesses, but the weaknesses it does have are little consolidation to those that are at the receiving end. Not to mention, WG had to slap a major name of a whole class on it, so now a perfectly fine class of DDs that could have become something decent are represented by this abomination.

 

Even if I'm not sure whether the HSF anime was really "good", I shall appreciate that it brought up the Harekaze design, given it fills me with utter disgust to look at what WG presents as the alternative for T8 premium IJN DD. The thought that there would only be Asashio and no proper alternative... which is actually the thought people can have that don't have a Harekaze. Well, guess Shinonome is the only properly balanced IJN premium DD that is available.

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6 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

We do no know for sure that WG will not sell the ship again --> Chance for sale >0%

That is what any chance means.

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45 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

Asashio gets too much hate in my opinion though.

It is an anti-BB specialist that has to utilize its stealth in order to outplay gun-focused DDs around the caps.

To me it is an interesting ship.

Well, look at it this way:

For a long time the IJN line has been devoid of a T8 Premium DD for captain training, and the only two options are a ship that is exclusive for Anime fans and one that is not representative of the line at all.

I think I can understand why she gets a lot of hate.

8 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

I will never not lament the existence of this ship, for its design is just ridiculous and bad for the game. The thing it can do, it does ridiculously easy (compared to everyone else), while the things where it is challenged, there are some hard counters where even the greatest skill won't get you out, unless the enemy is full potato. No doubt, it can get results. It proves that in randoms, when it basically enables every moron to get results, as long as they know they can only torp BBs and CVs (which actually to some is still a challenge), but due to its design, it basically becomes a ship where every idiot can feel like a unicum, while any decently skilled player can either engage in sadistic revenge against the BB plague or bore their socks off. It's a ship like GZ (and partly Conqueror), in that it has insane strengths, glaring weaknesses, but the weaknesses it does have are little consolidation to those that are at the receiving end. Not to mention, WG had to slap a major name of a whole class on it, so now a perfectly fine class of DDs that could have become something decent are represented by this abomination.

 

Even if I'm not sure whether the HSF anime was really "good", I shall appreciate that it brought up the Harekaze design, given it fills me with utter disgust to look at what WG presents as the alternative for T8 premium IJN DD. The thought that there would only be Asashio and no proper alternative... which is actually the thought people can have that don't have a Harekaze. Well, guess Shinonome is the only properly balanced IJN premium DD that is available.

Now, now, Rise-chan. We don't want to start another one of those threads.

Let's calm down and take a back seat to this, shall we?

I totally agree with you, but we must pick our battles, okay?

Here, take a seat, have a cuppa.:cap_tea:

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As a filthy player-of-Asashio, there are a couple of reasons I play it so much (in no particular order):

  • Unless MM hates you, it's straightforward earning plenty of silver (this matters when you want to buy new high tier silver ships).
  • A number of missions call for 'do x damage', or 'earn x xp' - both of these are similarly straightforward (and there is often a tier requirement).
  • Every so often it is simply necessary to punish BB players for their life choices (this reason will evapourate if the typical randoms BB player ever learns to do their job)!

It's not the most relaxing ship to play though, as you have to spend a lot of time getting past the BB's screen (assuming the enemy DDs/cruisers are awake); I suppose you could hide on the borders and spam 20 km torps (I run TA on mine, so not an option), but that would be terribly dull...

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17 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

I will never not lament the existence of this ship, for its design is just ridiculous and bad for the game. The thing it can do, it does ridiculously easy (compared to everyone else), while the things where it is challenged, there are some hard counters where even the greatest skill won't get you out, unless the enemy is full potato. No doubt, it can get results. It proves that in randoms, when it basically enables every moron to get results, as long as they know they can only torp BBs and CVs (which actually to some is still a challenge), but due to its design, it basically becomes a ship where every idiot can feel like a unicum, while any decently skilled player can either engage in sadistic revenge against the BB plague or bore their socks off. It's a ship like GZ (and partly Conqueror), in that it has insane strengths, glaring weaknesses, but the weaknesses it does have are little consolidation to those that are at the receiving end. Not to mention, WG had to slap a major name of a whole class on it, so now a perfectly fine class of DDs that could have become something decent are represented by this abomination.

 

I am using it very aggressively around the caps while slapping BBs at range at the same time, and I am having a lot of fun. 

 

So either you are right and I am just a bad player, or you simply don't know how the ship can play out in reality, because you only know it on paper... 

 

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Vor 3 Minuten, __Helmut_Kohl__ sagte:

 

I am using it very aggressively around the caps while slapping BBs at range at the same time, and I am having a lot of fun. 

 

So either you are right and I am just a bad player, or you simply don't know how the ship can play out in reality, because you only know it on paper... 

 

Exactly.

 

on topic:

Today Sehales wrote on the german forums it would be rather unlikely HSF content would come back to the game. The thread is closed so I can't copy it to here.

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2 hours ago, Klopirat said:

According to Sehales in the German subforum it is rather unlikely that the HSF content will come back in the future

So he is saying you could only buy the captains (which just means voiceovers + some cap xp for me) once at the very beginning of the collab and then never again? :Smile_sad:

Damn if I knew they would rework the voiceovers to even fit the newly added F Commands and other text (like ships spotted, torpedohits etc) I would've bought them. :cap_money:

Now I regret not doing it with WG missing out on money because I thought "meh they will sell it at least once more at the end of the collab anyway" back then.  :cap_old:

 

Edit: But I guess one could just exchange the files with an unused (because of disliked) voiceover right? :cap_yes:

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4 minutes ago, Miessa3 said:

So he is saying you could only buy the captains (which just means voiceovers + some cap xp for me) once at the very beginning of the collab and then never again? :Smile_sad:

Damn if I knew they would rework the voiceovers to even fit the newly added F Commands and other text (like ships, spotted torpedohits etc) I would've bought them. :cap_money:

Now I regret not doing it with WG missing out on money because I thought "meh they will sell it at least once more at the end of the collab anyway" back then.  :cap_old:

I wanted to buy the Musashi captain when they were on sale, but the day I finally had the money WG took down the offers. At least I managed to get both ships before, otherwise I would be very angry with myself.

WG, with its lack of communication and transparency when it comes to sale, loses on customers who otherwise would happily spend money on their products.

But let's not forget that the WoWS sales team includes people who thought removing most of the premium ships from sale was a good idea.

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33 minutes ago, Captain_LOZFFVII said:

Well, look at it this way:

For a long time the IJN line has been devoid of a T8 Premium DD for captain training, and the only two options are a ship that is exclusive for Anime fans and one that is not representative of the line at all.

I think I can understand why she gets a lot of hate.

Harekaze is not really exclusive to anime fans. It has a beautiful IJN camo. But even as an anime fan, you can no longer get the ship, because end of collab and in general, it's a ship tied to a collab, so even if prolonged, it's a ship on a timer.

33 minutes ago, Captain_LOZFFVII said:

Now, now, Rise-chan. We don't want to start another one of those threads.

Let's calm down and take a back seat to this, shall we?

I totally agree with you, but we must pick our battles, okay?

Here, take a seat, have a cuppa.:cap_tea:

I'll be upset until the day that they provide a proper IJN premium torpedo boat for high tiers (bet they sell a premium duck before that though). I'll then be merely miffed until there's a proper representation of an Asashio-class in the game.

29 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

As a filthy player-of-Asashio, there are a couple of reasons I play it so much (in no particular order):

  • Unless MM hates you, it's straightforward earning plenty of silver (this matters when you want to buy new high tier silver ships).
  • A number of missions call for 'do x damage', or 'earn x xp' - both of these are similarly straightforward (and there is often a tier requirement).
  • Every so often it is simply necessary to punish BB players for their life choices (this reason will evapourate if the typical randoms BB player ever learns to do their job)!

It's not the most relaxing ship to play though, as you have to spend a lot of time getting past the BB's screen (assuming the enemy DDs/cruisers are awake); I suppose you could hide on the borders and spam 20 km torps (I run TA on mine, so not an option), but that would be terribly dull...

For every braindead BB that gets killed, there is a number of ships that also suffer. The issue I see with this is that with the current level of gameplay, BBs are often dumb, but it equals out, because both side's BBs are often equally terrible. And both are equally resilient to punishment, because WG designed BBs this way. Intoduce one ship that punishes these mistakes heavily and it screws over not just that BB, but also all the folks on that team, because as a DD, i cannot do more than either hunt a 5.4 km concealment DD (which is frankly taking my ship out of the battle) or screen and spot torps, just for the torps to hit the idiots anyway, because steering is too hard.

17 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

I am using it very aggressively around the caps while slapping BBs at range at the same time, and I am having a lot of fun. 

 

So either you are right and I am just a bad player, or you simply don't know how the ship can play out in reality, because you only know it on paper... 

 

You see, I said "decently skilled". Also, you must admit, that there is no reason to play an Asashio over a Kagero except for being able to kill BBs in a more efficient way. So, you're part of the Asashio players who like having the DD that has the easiest time killing BBs. I didn't even delve into capping or not or spotting or not, which is a whole different chapter of (mostly miserable) experiences with Asashio players.

 

There's literally no reason to feel personally offended, unless you want to deny that this ship is just a Kagero that specialises in killing BBs or "decently skilled" somehow is offending your level of play, despite being a rather neutral expression.

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11 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

You see, I said "decently skilled". Also, you must admit, that there is no reason to play an Asashio over a Kagero except for being able to kill BBs in a more efficient way. So, you're part of the Asashio players who like having the DD that has the easiest time killing BBs. I didn't even delve into capping or not or spotting or not, which is a whole different chapter of (mostly miserable) experiences with Asashio players.

 

There's literally no reason to feel personally offended, unless you want to deny that this ship is just a Kagero that specialises in killing BBs or "decently skilled" somehow is offending your level of play, despite being a rather neutral expression.

 

You know very well that this is not how you said it, but I will not hold you to that. Regarding the actual matter: yes it is easier to farm BBs in this, but it is also harder to perform around the caps. A low skill floor does not imply a low skill ceiling as well.

 

Once you are used to universal stuff like Yueyang, it is refreshing to play such an edgy ship btw. 

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