[S-E] FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor Players 3,532 posts 29,240 battles Report post #1 Posted September 4, 2018 About two, three months ago, during a live streaming session, Flamu expressed a suspicion that during the recent Missouri buff/nerf (can't remember which it was), the Artillery Plotting Room Modification 2 was massively nerfed, possibly by accident, like turning some algebraic sign from minus to plus or something, because the dispersion not only appeared a lot worse but also seemed to improve when switching from the plotting room to a different upgrade. Later, he twittered some developers had promised him to look into it. I wonder if anything happened in that respect because it still doesn't feel right. I don't have a lot of experience with this ship, especially not before that last nerf/buff, or high tier battles in general but the dispersion just feels bad, and continues to feel worse with the module that is supposed to improve it. I need the cash here, people, I need to feed the monkey!!1 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pra3y Players 3,021 posts 11,390 battles Report post #2 Posted September 4, 2018 44 minutes ago, Nautical_Metaphor said: About two, three months ago, during a live streaming session, Flamu expressed a suspicion that during the recent Missouri buff/nerf (can't remember which it was), the Artillery Plotting Room Modification 2 was massively nerfed, possibly by accident, like turning some algebraic sign from minus to plus or something, because the dispersion not only appeared a lot worse but also seemed to improve when switching from the plotting room to a different upgrade. Later, he twittered some developers had promised him to look into it. I wonder if anything happened in that respect because it still doesn't feel right. I don't have a lot of experience with this ship, especially not before that last nerf/buff, or high tier battles in general but the dispersion just feels bad, and continues to feel worse with the module that is supposed to improve it. I need the cash here, people, I need to feed the monkey!!1 From one of Jingle's video last week: And a game I had the other day: Spoiler It still feels ridiculously accurate to me. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #3 Posted September 4, 2018 Didn't realise Flamu did the whole tin foil hat thing... Whenever I play it Missouri feels fine here. BB RNG is just that, not that many BB can avoid it other than LM Yam. Even Warspite can derp a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[S-E] FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor Players 3,532 posts 29,240 battles Report post #4 Posted September 4, 2018 You really don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to suspect that Wargaming developers accidentally botched something. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ferry_25 Players 4,392 posts 12,107 battles Report post #5 Posted September 4, 2018 I've heard these rumors before. I can't say I noticed any difference. But I absolutely don't qualify myself as being the ace shot in town. What I do seem to notice, not able to prove and 99% sure it's me, is the "all or nothing" salvos I shoot. It's roughly speaking either a devastating strike or shatters/bounces/pen-no-damage shots with 1 rare overpen so I get the 1080 for the trouble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DK-CP] NothingButTheRain Players 6,338 posts 14,259 battles Report post #6 Posted September 4, 2018 I remember this. Dunno how it was solved (or if it was even a real problem) but it was painstakingly tested by someone and iirc it wasn't a problem anymore at some point. Though, it might have actually been a bug with the autoaim not improving dispersion? I didn't really follow that but to me, dispersion of Missouri was never really that much greater then Musashi dispersion. I do much more damage in Musashi anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FishDogFoodShack Players 685 posts 5,858 battles Report post #7 Posted September 4, 2018 not this again ... 2 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[M-P-M] Migantium_Mashum Players 3,146 posts 19,218 battles Report post #8 Posted September 4, 2018 Missouri plays fine for me also. But, against certain ships I notice that I have had to adjust my aim points.. Certain Cruisers seem a little harder to citadel than before.. or I am just getting old.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteDorff Players 684 posts 5,190 battles Report post #9 Posted September 4, 2018 Missouri seems to be fine past days I run APRM2 on it. You get the usual bad RNG kicked in now and then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #10 Posted September 4, 2018 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #11 Posted September 4, 2018 Nothing about the Missouri was changed. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] howardxu_23 Players 793 posts 2,080 battles Report post #12 Posted September 4, 2018 I say it’s more of this, which affects all ships: Missouri may be suffering more then usual since it has the large dispersion for “unlocked” but decent sigma system. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #13 Posted September 4, 2018 If you shoot at targets you are not locked on to, that is a personal problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[S-E] FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor Players 3,532 posts 29,240 battles Report post #14 Posted September 4, 2018 Vor 6 Stunden, ColonelPete sagte: etc None of these came up in the search function. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,735 battles Report post #15 Posted September 4, 2018 4 hours ago, ColonelPete said: If you shoot at targets you are not locked on to, that is a personal problem. If you refer to the linked topic about the possible lock-on bug: thats not what its about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #16 Posted September 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, Nautical_Metaphor said: None of these came up in the search function. I wonder how I found them then.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DK-CP] NothingButTheRain Players 6,338 posts 14,259 battles Report post #17 Posted September 4, 2018 5 hours ago, howardxu_23 said: I say it’s more of this, which affects all ships: Missouri may be suffering more then usual since it has the large dispersion for “unlocked” but decent sigma system. If there is some problem with Missouri dispersion, I'd think that this would be a more likely cause. 31 minutes ago, ColonelPete said: I wonder how I found them then.... Google? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #18 Posted September 4, 2018 Nope. Used the forum search... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #19 Posted September 4, 2018 Just played one match Missouri and definetely can say: Works as always. Got probably lucky at times, but overall it was very accurate. Also im running the Plotting room mod. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-IAN-] IanH755 Players 2,100 posts 7,141 battles Report post #20 Posted September 4, 2018 Both the WG devs and LittleWhiteMouse (LWM) posted replies with lots of good stats which showed that nothing had changed with the Missouri's dispersement - WG showed that the AM2 mod was working correctly with the dispersion circle getting smaller as it should. LWM showed a dispersion map for 500+ shells done when the Missouri was new (done for ship release review) and compared that to a dispersion map done during the "what has changed" time period and both were the same. As much as I also felt that the dispersion was subject to far more RNG than usual, the overall dispersion hasn't actually changed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] AgarwaenME Beta Tester 4,811 posts 13,808 battles Report post #21 Posted September 4, 2018 16 hours ago, Nautical_Metaphor said: because it still doesn't feel right. I don't have a lot of experience with this ship, especially not before that last nerf/buff, or high tier battles in general but the dispersion just feels bad, and continues to feel worse with the module that is supposed to improve it. Basicly, you "feel" it doesn't do as well as the cherry picked videos and screenshots you saw before you got it would make you believe it would always do. Here's a tip, "feelings" are basicly worthless as evidence for anything. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-EXS-] Hades_warrior Players 5,381 posts 6,643 battles Report post #22 Posted September 4, 2018 16 hours ago, Nautical_Metaphor said: About two, three months ago, during a live streaming session, Flamu expressed a suspicion that during the recent Missouri buff/nerf (can't remember which it was), the Artillery Plotting Room Modification 2 was massively nerfed, possibly by accident, like turning some algebraic sign from minus to plus or something, because the dispersion not only appeared a lot worse but also seemed to improve when switching from the plotting room to a different upgrade. Later, he twittered some developers had promised him to look into it. I wonder if anything happened in that respect because it still doesn't feel right. I don't have a lot of experience with this ship, especially not before that last nerf/buff, or high tier battles in general but the dispersion just feels bad, and continues to feel worse with the module that is supposed to improve it. I need the cash here, people, I need to feed the monkey!!1 I have the same experience with this ship. Well, I dont think in my case is the dispersion problem but the overpens. After 180 battles it feels bad compared to other high tier BBs in game. Can print more money with Salem. But as we know WG did make some changes in balistic of AP shells that affect all (BB) ships in game, so i believe there is the problem. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[S-V-G] Abrams2207 Players 22 posts 6,468 battles Report post #23 Posted March 9, 2019 Am 4.9.2018 um 22:54, Hades_warrior sagte: I have the same experience with this ship. Well, I dont think in my case is the dispersion problem but the overpens. After 180 battles it feels bad compared to other high tier BBs in game. Can print more money with Salem. But as we know WG did make some changes in balistic of AP shells that affect all (BB) ships in game, so i believe there is the problem. I complety Agree with you. There are so many Bounces and the Ship is 100% Not the same anymore. If i Play without Aiming System Mod 2 its way better. I dont know if WG did it on purpose and did a Real „Nija Nerf“ but i Hope Not and maybe its just a Bugged Module. But they Need to fixed it. And everyone who Knows and likes this ship does notice the difference. Here a Link for a Video from Notser. He is saying, that there happened nothing but read all of the Comments and you will See there are a lot of People wich are saying the same. I Hope Finnaly WG will fix it and notice the Problem. No reason for insult, Because a lot of People Notice that. And yea its 100% something wrong here. If you dont Trust us guys go out there and Play the ship a few Games with the Module and Few Games without, or another Module. P.S sry for my Bad English. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #24 Posted March 9, 2019 For s sake... 21 minutes ago, Abrams2207 said: I Hope Finnaly WG will fix it and notice the Problem. This thread was created half a year ago. No problem was discovered. Nothing about the Missouri guns have changed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_mlJIAFnOwMVb Players 543 posts Report post #25 Posted March 9, 2019 nothing's wrong with the Missouiri, said everyone who doesn't work at WG. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
