CV Rework Discussion

[Allied_Winter]

2 hours ago, Panocek said:

As long as you not try to divebomb destroyers with AP bombs and expect "I win" I don't see how IJN are harder to play.

Not at all. I don't even treat the Enterprise as an "I win" button. I'm simply not good enough (yet) with CV's.

2 hours ago, Panocek said:

UK are certainly more... speschul than actually decent. You can keep throwing crap at the BBs wall and hope something will stick, but then brits have neither reserves nor plane regen for such tactics

I see ... so Ryujo it is ... again

[lossi_2018]

1 hour ago, Yoshanai said:

If you think Enterprise is the only T8 CV highly OP wait until you see what Shokaku can do and that one at least can be tweaked. T10 doesn't matter to Shokaku or Enterprise. 

 

 

Unless its a t10 2 CV game and you got the t8, then its kind problematic I find

[veslingr]

1 hour ago, Yoshanai said:

If you think Enterprise is the only T8 CV highly OP wait until you see what Shokaku can do and that one at least can be tweaked. T10 doesn't matter to Shokaku or Enterprise. 

 

 

But we have 7 ships in T8 bracked (and one in pipeline)...funny how and allways ones with AP bombs can cope with highest conditions :)

 

But when you say remove AP....shitstorm :)

 

AP is just no no no in a "die by tousand cuts" type of CV we have now...they were viable in high alpha low dpM typ of RTS CV we had.

 

now it is just stoopid to do 30 k on one ship and come back in 10 seconds.

 

REMOVE AP from any CV that has them

 

 

[Asakka]

Just now, veslingr said:

now it is just stoopid to do 30 k on one ship and come back in 10 seconds.

???

[veslingr]

Just now, Asakka said:

???

BiG E - 6 Ap bombs...you turn around in 5 seconds for next strike

[El2aZeR]

4 minutes ago, veslingr said:

But we have 7 ships in T8 bracked...funny how and allways ones with AP bombs can cope with highest conditions :)

 

Saipan does perfectly fine too, you know?

And as far as I've heard so does Kaga and Lex.

[Asakka]

2 minutes ago, veslingr said:

BiG E - 6 Ap bombs...you turn around in 5 seconds for next strike

Thats not 30k but ok, its big E and they wont nerf her anyway so ..... 

[veslingr]

Just now, El2aZeR said:

 

Saipan does perfectly fine too, you know?

And as far as I've heard so does Kaga and Lex.

There is difference in does just fine and wtfpwn guys in t10 ships....Saipan will not oneshoot TX cruiser with one squad.....BiGE with some RNG help will one shoot DM in 2 drops

[veslingr]

2 minutes ago, Asakka said:

Thats not 30k but ok, its big E and they wont nerf her anyway so ..... 

Big E AP does 5900 dmg....in fact you need 5 bombs to do that dmg not 6 :)

They do not need to nerg it, just remove AP from game and gibe her HE bombs....it would still be very viable ship

[Asakka]

1 minute ago, veslingr said:

Big E AP does 5900 dmg....in fact you need 5 bombs to do that dmg not 6 :)

They do not need to nerg it, just remove AP from game and gibe her HE bombs....it would still be very viable ship

Well why have big E in the first place when you can play Lexington at that point :)

[Aixin]

Vor 28 Minuten, Allied_Winter sagte:

Not at all. I don't even treat the Enterprise as an "I win" button. I'm simply not good enough (yet) with CV's.

I see ... so Ryujo it is ... again

IJN cvs are my faves and I hate the furious so far :) hope that this might help ya:) 

[El2aZeR]

43 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Also taking the top10 of each CV of a week is a unreliable statistic. I checked some of the top 10. That are players with 51% winrate, which just did 10 games that week with a winrate of 80%. 

 

Which is ofc completely irrelevant given the fact that the amount of skilled CV players distributed over all these ships is inevitably going to be a larger number regardless.

 

You've just defeated your own point. Again.

[veslingr]

3 minutes ago, Asakka said:

Well why have big E in the first place when you can play Lexington at that point :)

everybody loves easy win :)

 

Hvar of BigE wins over TIny Tims and hvar from lex anyday

Fighters of BigE eats fighters from LEX

 

it is clear advantage for Big E even without AP bombs....those hvars from BigE do 10k dmg on every [edited]class in game :)

[El2aZeR]

10 minutes ago, veslingr said:

There is difference in does just fine and wtfpwn guys in t10 ships....Saipan will not oneshoot TX cruiser with one squad.....BiGE with some RNG help will one shoot DM in 2 drops

 

Saipan can in fact kill T10 cruisers with one squad. On average she will need the same amount of attack runs.

 

Point is damage potential of CVs even without AP bombs is vastly too high for their accuracy, survivability and rate of fire. Removing only the AP bombs solves very little.

[Asakka]

4 minutes ago, veslingr said:

everybody loves easy win :)

 

man i love easy wins :)

[veslingr]

6 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Saipan can in fact kill T10 cruisers with one squad. On average she will need the same amount of attack runs.

 

Point is damage potential of CVs even without AP bombs is vastly too high for their accuracy, survivability and rate of fire. Removing only the AP bombs solves very little.

But is point int right direction...it is easier to hit ship with AP bombs than with Torpedos (cruiser who do not sits behind iceland will much easier defend from torps than from AP bombs...also AP will do 5900 to cruiser same as to BBs....on other hand torpedo will do 6 k on cruiser but will do 3-4 k do BBs regarding torpedo belt.

 

If CV have high potential dmg one of easiest way to lower them is removing AP bombs that are undogable as torpedo is, and it you can not reduce dmg (no saturation as in HE).

 

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[CptBarney]

Hopefully we get to see other cv shipfus.

[Excavatus]

End of merged topic!

[Yosha_AtaIante]

No. 

There is no end to it

[CptBarney]

Weee! 500 pages!

 

lets celebrates a job welldone with dis roleplay and the huge arguements weve had so far!

 

And we did it all under a year!

 

’w’

[mtm78]

What is this talk about removing AP bombs, that's not even closely important to dirty CV's touching my underage botes inappropriately! 

 

Remove rockets, remove HE bombs and remove lolibote aerial spotting and CV's are totally balanced tovarish! 

[veslingr]

1 minute ago, mtm78 said:

What is this talk about removing AP bombs, that's not even closely important to dirty CV's touching my underage botes inappropriately! 

 

Remove rockets, remove HE bombs and remove lolibote aerial spotting and CV's are totally balanced tovarish! 

you must now that if thew remove rockets they will introduce missiles :)

[mtm78]

1 minute ago, veslingr said:

you must now that if thew remove rockets they will introduce missiles :)

 

What exactly is the difference between a user guided missile and rocket attack planes, other then that the rocket attack planes can strike multiple times

[Allied_Winter]

3 minutes ago, veslingr said:

they will introduce missiles

Just give me a russian CV with one Tu-95W armed with one Tsar Bomb and I'd gladly pay 100€ for that. Sure you wouldn't only nuke the particular battle you're in, but the whole server ... but for some fun inbetween it might actually be good!

[CptBarney]

6 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

What is this talk about removing AP bombs, that's not even closely important to dirty CV's touching my underage botes inappropriately! 

 

Remove rockets, remove HE bombs and remove lolibote aerial spotting and CV's are totally balanced tovarish! 

Captains! Here are the patch notes for update 1.0!

 

Patch notes: following from the above, the following has been added.

 

heat seeking missles, 3kg HE-I bombs and radar.

 

Ships added: volvograd tier 10 ussr cv.

 

have a great day captains!