CV Rework Discussion

[LowSpeedHighDrag]

32 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

When you're about to kill the entire enemy team but RNGesus says no and lets the last one survive on a sliver of health. T_T

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Is ofc all perfectly balans.

Nice clean up.  How about the game previous to that where we won but you didn't get to hog all the kills? eh eh eh?

 

[El2aZeR]

7 minutes ago, LowSpeedHighDrag said:

Nice clean up.  How about the game previous to that where we won but you didn't get to hog all the kills? eh eh eh?

 

I mean, I still got 3 tho? 

[LowSpeedHighDrag]

1 minute ago, El2aZeR said:

 

I mean, I still got 3 tho? 

Yeah, I'll give you that.  

I was proud to be in the top 2 on the scoreboard.

 

[HassenderZerhacker]

9 hours ago, Armorin said:

The solution to reducing individual CV players influence appears to be to have 2 of them on each team.

 

 

I believe having zero would reduce their influence even more

[HassenderZerhacker]

8 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Carriers start at T4, and then T6-T8-T10. There are no 123-5-7-9.

T1-2-3-4 gets plus or minus 1. Means if you take a T3, you can get T4 but also can get T2 match. 

If you get T4 match - you can get carriers. Usual there is 2, sometimes 3. There can NOT be more than 3... 

 

The problem is there is absolutely non AA at T4, it is really pathetic. Ships have little-to-nothing for defence

I play carriers and I like them, but playing T4 when you have experience is kinda filthy. Kinda weird you see Langley more than Hosho.

Or maybe the players do not know that with the buff Hosho got TWO torps instead of just one. That makes it even more overpowered. 

Anyway I think yes you have reason to complain. 

 

From T5 you can get +2 matchmaking, means you see T6 but also T7. 

If you take a T6 you can see T 5 (not T4), T7 and T8. And so on. 

 

 

so... what can I do at tier 3 against tier 4 carriers?

I just come out of a battle with my Nassau vs. 2 Hoshos.

I was closing in on them late battle, but I ate 6 torps.

 

previous battle, I was with a fully upgraded Myogi vs 1 (!) Langley sitting in a corner played by a noob, because 80% of its torps were launched too close. It nearly killed me.

[Allied_Winter]

18 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

torps were launched too close. It nearly killed me.

 

Well.. what now? Where they too close? In which case they wouldn't have time to activate and thus would do no harm to you. OR did they damage your ship subsequently almost sinking you? In which case they were not launched too close but guessing from your wording launched just right.

 

19 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

so... what can I do at tier 3 against tier 4 carriers?

Not much. And certainly nothing that would drive the CV away. You can try to dodge and sail with the group but given how little AA there is on T3 it makes little to no difference. Basically you have to gamble on the enemy CV actually being bad and missing (!) all his attacks launched at you. 

 

Although one could always argue, it's your job as a BB to eat torps (so that your cruisers and DD's can survive).

[HassenderZerhacker]

just bought the Kaiser... first battle of course against 1 langley 1 hosho... you can guess how it went.

 

the carriers are unfun.

I think the whole game only revolves around destroyers and carriers.

 

what they need to do about the carriers, is to make them play one tier above their tier. so tier 4 carriers play only in tier 5 and tier 6 battles. that would seem balanced.

[HassenderZerhacker]

6 minutes ago, Allied_Winter said:

 

Well.. what now? Where they too close? In which case they wouldn't have time to activate and thus would do no harm to you. OR did they damage your ship subsequently almost sinking you? In which case they were not launched too close but guessing from your wording launched just right.

you missed the full point between these two statements.

80% of its torps were launched too close, so yes, they didn't detonate, and yes, the 20% remaining torpedoes and bombs still nearly killed me, meaning a skilled player would have killed my Myogi with no trouble. these carriers are totally unfair.

 

and somewhere on this forum someone wasn't happy about me comparing them to arty in WoT, but carriers are even worse. in WoT, there is cover from arty. in WoWs, there is no escaping the torps and bombs from those redline huggers. So the carriers are worse. totally unfun. makes playing tier 3 and 4 in anything else than destroyers and carriers pointless.

 

For the higher tiers, I have yet to see. maybe pointless too. World of Carriers.

[HassenderZerhacker]

37 minutes ago, Allied_Winter said:

Although one could always argue, it's your job as a BB to eat torps (so that your cruisers and DD's can survive).

well, how much credits and XP do I get for eating torps, if that is my job?

[Allied_Winter]

38 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

maybe pointless too.

Depends. On higher tiers there are fewer carriers as the skill necessary to not be a liability to your team increases. Currently there are over all tiers as little CV's around as pre-rework. However now they are distributed more to lower tiers (where actual OP CV's are around: Hosho) and less to the higher tiers.

 

5 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

well, how much credits and XP do I get for eating torps, if that is my job?

My veteran answer would be: Forget credits and XP. If you win you got rewarded enough.

 

However, since you're a new player and in need of credits and XP to move up the tiers, I say: You get not enough for tanking DMG in general (no matter the source of the damage).

[Yedwy]

7 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

well, how much credits and XP do I get for eating torps, if that is my job?

There is not a single ship in game whose job is to eat trops

[veslingr]

17 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

There is not a single ship in game whose job is to eat trops

damn..so i play my BBs wrong all this time?? 

This is not, like pokemon, colect them all?

daaamnnnn

[Asakka]

3 minutes ago, veslingr said:

damn..so i play my BBs wrong all this time?? 

This is not, like pokemon, colect them all?

daaamnnnn

You are supposed to attract all the torps and then dodge them 

[CptBarney]

I wonder if el2azer thinks im ok as a cv player?

 

*starts sweating*.

[El2aZeR]

14 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

I wonder if el2azer thinks im ok as a cv player?

 

*starts sweating*.

 

I mean, considering you have literally no post-rework CV matches on this account I can't really tell? 

[CptBarney]

1 minute ago, El2aZeR said:

 

I mean, considering you have literally no post-rework CV matches on this account I can't really tell? 

Oh just search for Brigadierrosen on wows-numbers. ‘W’

 

*brain: omg no!*

 

*fingers: yes*

[Sunleader]

13 hours ago, Armorin said:

The solution to reducing individual CV players influence appears to be to have 2 of them on each team.

 

 

 

In a Sense Yes. In a Sense No.

 

It does of course Reduce the Influence of the Individual CV because Suddenly there is 4 instead of 2 Ships Fighting for the Victory.

And it also Reduces the Chance of having 1 Good vs 1 Bad CV because there is far more Bad CV Players and thus the more common Combination will be 3 Bad and 1 Good CV which effectively Halves the Influence the Good CV would Normally have.

 

But at the same time it also makes the Game even more Unbearable for everyone else. And everyone Else becomes even less meaningful to the Team. So the Influence of the CV as a Class actually Increases even Further here.

 

And thats before we come to complain about the level Frustration it brings when these 2 CVs both Focus on one Target. I actually did that for the Lulz yesterday. And basicly just kept Attacking the Same Target as the other CV on my Team.

And after the Second Squadron the Enemy Ship basicly Gave up and just Sailed Straight towards our Team so they have Mercy and give him a Quicker Death....

 

 

[El2aZeR]

5 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Oh just search for Brigadierrosen on wows-numbers. ‘W’

 

*brain: omg no!*

 

*fingers: yes*

 

 

Looks decent enough for a start. Midway is a bit meh but I think you said that you don't get along with her?

 

[Armorin]

10 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

In a Sense Yes. In a Sense No.

 

It does of course Reduce the Influence of the Individual CV because Suddenly there is 4 instead of 2 Ships Fighting for the Victory.

And it also Reduces the Chance of having 1 Good vs 1 Bad CV because there is far more Bad CV Players and thus the more common Combination will be 3 Bad and 1 Good CV which effectively Halves the Influence the Good CV would Normally have.

 

But at the same time it also makes the Game even more Unbearable for everyone else. And everyone Else becomes even less meaningful to the Team. So the Influence of the CV as a Class actually Increases even Further here.

 

And thats before we come to complain about the level Frustration it brings when these 2 CVs both Focus on one Target. I actually did that for the Lulz yesterday. And basicly just kept Attacking the Same Target as the other CV on my Team.

And after the Second Squadron the Enemy Ship basicly Gave up and just Sailed Straight towards our Team so they have Mercy and give him a Quicker Death....

 

Yet I've managed to influence more matches as one of the surface targets in those 2 CV matches.

Although being targeted continuously by 3 CV's really eats up all the focus.

CV rework is a mess. They need to go back to the drawing board.

[CptBarney]

4 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

 

Looks decent enough for a start. Midway is a bit meh but I think you said that you don't get along with her?

 

Noice. Yeah she is my first tier 10 so trying to get used to all the new ships face in that tier alone. My problem is trying to do loads of damage and securing kills most of the time, i also tend to focus on dd’s a lot as well to the point where ill ignore any chances of damage farming (had a match we won cus i managed to keep 7 ships at bay with my midway but i could of struck the 3 bb’s farting around near d for some reason).

 

also i havent touched ranger or lexi cus i dont wanna mess up their stats lol and i gave up with ryujo and i raged quited with hermes lol.

 

im getting better at dodging flak at tier 10, also noticed werid things like enemy aircraft not moving for awhile (almost always at the start) and their fighters suddenly appearing.

 

oh and i just realised how good midways db’s are against dd’s been using hvar rocket planes for the most part.

 

hate it when i get teams that kill too quickly lol, no chance to farm.

[Armorin]

21 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

And it also Reduces the Chance of having 1 Good vs 1 Bad CV because there is far more Bad CV Players and thus the more common Combination will be 3 Bad and 1 Good CV which effectively Halves the Influence the Good CV would Normally have.

 

It is somewhat the point I have been trying to make, that better players have more influence when there are less people performing that role.

 

Interestingly though, you don't mention the average CV player. In most players minds they do not exist. Either they are unicum or garbage. I've had many games where the opposing CV's have had similar performance levels and the surface ships just melt. In such cases, it's the CV's fault because he can't play their ships for them.

[CptBarney]

Hmm, i wonder if i can achieve the same stats or better than lexington?

 

Or i've hit my ceiling lol. (bloody hope not).

[El2aZeR]

10 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

oh and i just realised how good midways db’s are against dd’s been using hvar rocket planes for the most part.

 

HVARs are too cumbersome to use. I recommend using TiTs instead. On Midway they often slap DDs just as hard while offering superior utility against anything with heavier armor.

If you do actually want to use the HVARs then downgrading to the F4Us is a viable option I've heard.

 

Midway DBs are still very good against most DDs indeed. They perform reliably against most of the thicc DDs I've found, it's only the slim ones such as Shima that can be troublesome to hit.

If available tho I tend to prefer TiTs over DBs when hunting DDs in Midway simply because RFs are faster and generally more reliable.

 

Fighters suddenly appearing has to do with line of sight and detection range. I found that fighters are actually extremely stealthy from the air and if there are obstacles between you and them you simply won't spot them at all.

 

Now on a completely different note:

Spoiler

 

 

[HassenderZerhacker]

17 minutes ago, Armorin said:

 

Yet I've managed to influence more matches as one of the surface targets in those 2 CV matches.

Although being targeted continuously by 3 CV's really eats up all the focus.

CV rework is a mess. They need to go back to the drawing board.

I have not much experience in this game, but the carriers are horrible.

no fun at all for other ships

[HassenderZerhacker]

6 minutes ago, Armorin said:

 

It is somewhat the point I have been trying to make, that better players have more influence when there are less people performing that role.

 

Interestingly though, you don't mention the average CV player. In most players minds they do not exist. Either they are unicum or garbage. I've had many games where the opposing CV's have had similar performance levels and the surface ships just melt. In such cases, it's the CV's fault because he can't play their ships for them.

 

yes, it is the CV's fault because they are there.

no CVs, no team melting away under bombs and planes' torps.

frankly, when I see 2 or 3 carriers per team, I just feel like going AFK