CV Rework Discussion

[CptBarney]

4 minutes ago, LordTareq said:

I like it except for the atrocious turret traverse, although I do less well in it than in the Maas for some reason. Oddly enough my dd ranking for both Maas and Z-23 is quite low, even though I'm always in the top half of my team and often top 3. Maybe because I focus on capping/scouting rather than damage farming. My point is, most of the matches I ended up in with my dd are roughly like this even if the CV's are more decent. And I'm not even a good dd player either. I make plenty of screw-ups.

Im just terrible with torping lol, can never seem to get the hang of it really. I did a lot cap contesting but got only a few big game, games. Funnily enough the maass was the first ship i got a kraken in lol, so yeah make of that what you will xD

 

I havent played DD's for ages though, might get back into them mostly french and maybe british DD's or american as they teach you (i think) how dd's work usually.

[El2aZeR]

1 hour ago, LordTareq said:

Example of a typical CV match in my dd.

 

22k avg dmg, 32% WR for enemy CV.

17k avg dmg, 43% WR for yours.

This can't even be considered a CV match. Frankly this is both CVs basically being afk.

[Rionnen_marksman]

3 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

22k avg dmg, 32% WR for enemy CV.

17k avg dmg, 43% WR for yours.

This can't even be considered a CV match. Frankly this is both CVs basically being afk.

That’s even worse than me 😂

[LordTareq]

4 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

22k avg dmg, 32% WR for enemy CV.

17k avg dmg, 43% WR for yours.

This can't even be considered a CV match. Frankly this is both CVs basically being afk.

Well its weekend 

[CptBarney]

4 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

22k avg dmg, 32% WR for enemy CV.

17k avg dmg, 43% WR for yours.

This can't even be considered a CV match. Frankly this is both CVs basically being afk.

Im guessing the second one has less games? Otherwise i don't see how hes able to win more with less avg damage.

[Rionnen_marksman]

Just now, CptBarney said:

Im guessing the second one has less games? Otherwise i don't see how hes able to win more with less avg damage.

I have terrible WR in Kaga (39% vs furious and implacables 67-70%)

 

yet 60k average damage, ever so slightly above average damage and terrible wr.

 

SOOOOO many games where teams just decide they only want a 5 minute game.

[Capra76]

20 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Im guessing the second one has less games? Otherwise i don't see how hes able to win more with less avg damage.

 

16 for him, about 60 for the other, that's in all reworked CV.

 

And here's why CV are "mostly fine"; the average players ground them out under RTS or boosted their way through low tiers without learning the basics and are now captaining the most powerful unit in the game but with T4 skill levels, which is why the difference between them and skilled players is so absurd.

 

It's like the players who play a handful of games in co-op at T2 then buy a T8 premium BB, of course they'll be bad.

 

The big question is what happens if they learn?

[mcboernester]

New spotting dmg record with midway 

 

 

And it wasnt really like i was focused on it 

 

 

also the chat meta finally changed

 

 

 

[EgyptOverseer]

8 hours ago, mcboernester said:

New spotting dmg record with midway 

 

 

And it wasnt really like i was focused on it 

 

 

also the chat meta finally changed

 

 

 

And somehow CV apologists are bombing a thread about this saying spotting is irrelevant... 

[El2aZeR]

6 minutes ago, EgyptOverseer said:

And somehow CV apologists are bombing a thread about this saying spotting is irrelevant... 

 

It's not irrelevant, it just doesn't solve the core issue (namely that CVs will still be able to  all over you regardless) in addition to making some of the existing problems worse.

I mean, I seriously doubt not being spotted by my teammates would have helped this dude.

Spoiler

 

[MadGunna]

Meanwhile there's a guy seriously claiming CV's need a radar added to their squadrons because the class is supposedly too weak against DD's...

 

For f***s sake this class used to be the class that attracted a soft spoken polite kind of player. The CV captain's cabin used to be the single most pleasant thread I ever saw on this forum. Now it's just a class for expressing one's dislike of the entire playerbase.

[CptBarney]

37 minutes ago, MadGunna said:

Meanwhile there's a guy seriously claiming CV's need a radar added to their squadrons because the class is supposedly too weak against DD's...

 

For f***s sake this class used to be the class that attracted a soft spoken polite kind of player. The CV captain's cabin used to be the single most pleasant thread I ever saw on this forum. Now it's just a class for expressing one's dislike of the entire playerbase.

Yeah, i missed the counterplay options and also the teamplay (wish there was more passive teamplay elements).

 

I will take on carry roles frontlines with no probs but i do like supporting others.

 

either way cv's now are just literal greif machines with how they operate in general.

[Tugnut]

1 hour ago, MadGunna said:

Meanwhile there's a guy seriously claiming CV's need a radar added to their squadrons because the class is supposedly too weak against DD's...

 

For f***s sake this class used to be the class that attracted a soft spoken polite kind of player. The CV captain's cabin used to be the single most pleasant thread I ever saw on this forum. Now it's just a class for expressing one's dislike of the entire playerbase.

Had a player Rant at me today, for not shooting the DD that was in our cap and resetting the cap... even tried to tell him that yes i will, but i have to be able to see said DD first as i had no clue in the smoke he was. (did reset it) we still lost as we had a very special team :/ 

 

maybe Radar on planes is required LMFAO... No stop it because its something stupid WGing might do :O

[mcboernester]

2 hours ago, MadGunna said:

Meanwhile there's a guy seriously claiming CV's need a radar added to their squadrons because the class is supposedly too weak against DD's...

 

For f***s sake this class used to be the class that attracted a soft spoken polite kind of player. The CV captain's cabin used to be the single most pleasant thread I ever saw on this forum. Now it's just a class for expressing one's dislike of the entire playerbase.

RPF on Planes was a fantastic idea too

 

I never have trouble in finding enemy dds.... Just imagine you are flying over open sea and suddenly your planes are "detected", it basically means he's in a 9-10km radius around your current position. Even if his AA is turned off i give him like 20seconds until i spot him, so either he pulls smoke or he has a problem. 

[FerrowTheFox]

Vor 13 Stunden, El2aZeR sagte:

It's not irrelevant, it just doesn't solve the core issue (namely that CVs will still be able to  all over you regardless) in addition to making some of the existing problems worse.

I mean, I seriously doubt not being spotted by my teammates would have helped this dude.

Of course it wouldn't solve the basic problem that CVs counter everything while having nearly no counterplay themselves. Also, with very competent CV skippers like you, of course being spotted is the least of your problems.

 

But what irks me so much is horrible CV players who can't hit a broadside BB, but try to come after me again and again and again. They might miss their attacks left and right, but still I'm permaspotted and c***blocked from getting into flanking positions. Even an accidental spotting can ruin a good torpedo run.

I won't say it's balanced and ok, but I'd rather die at the hands of a skilled player like you (and if we ever meet I guess I'll just sit back and enjoy the fireworks :D) than get my game ruined because someone just sits above me 

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, Tugnut said:

Had a player Rant at me today, for not shooting the DD that was in our cap and resetting the cap... even tried to tell him that yes i will, but i have to be able to see said DD first as i had no clue in the smoke he was. (did reset it) we still lost as we had a very special team :/ 

 

maybe Radar on planes is required LMFAO... No stop it because its something stupid WGing might do :O

That guy was referring to subs, when they come. 

BTW I have those teams too. Sometimes I wanna torpedo them myself.

Usually I am too late though. 

[Gudgeon]

5 hours ago, MadGunna said:

Meanwhile there's a guy seriously claiming CV's need a radar added to their squadrons because the class is supposedly too weak against DD's...

 

For f***s sake this class used to be the class that attracted a soft spoken polite kind of player. The CV captain's cabin used to be the single most pleasant thread I ever saw on this forum. Now it's just a class for expressing one's dislike of the entire playerbase.

 

This thread is for people to express a dislike of a certain class that is breaking the chance of interesting play for all other classes.

 

Please can you tell me why CV's have not been present in the 'Kings of the Sea tournament' this year? There must be a reason...... really struggling to work why.......

[veslingr]

and we can see now why WG does not see problem with CV....and stats vise there is no problem with cv....no matter how CV is or is not potent, the player decide how ship will perform...this is second game where CV was active, lived whole game and was last.

[El2aZeR]

4 minutes ago, veslingr said:

no matter how CV is or is not potent, the player decide how ship will perform

 

So basically nothing can ever be overpowered?

 

Hint:

Balance inherently excludes player skill, because player skill is what is supposed to decide the match.

[veslingr]

5 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

So basically nothing can ever be overpowered?

 

Hint:

Balance inherently excludes player skill, because player skill is what is supposed to decide the match.

in this game (WOWS) final result of ship is equal to = ships strength + skill of captain, where skill of captain is more important.

 

Yes ships can be OP, yes captains can be OP...put those 2 together you have a problem. But put bad captain in OP ship you get this (i do not think Lex is op, but yesterday i was in match where BigE was last even it was alive and active whole match).

 

i see why WG does not see problem in CVs...there are alot of bad captains in CVs that just do not interfere with game balance much.

[El2aZeR]

1 minute ago, veslingr said:

i see why WG does not see problem in CVs...there are alot of bad captains in CVs that just do not interfere with game balance much.

 

Frankly even if they did there's nothing they can do about it since it'd be admitting that the rework is a gigantic failure.

[veslingr]

Just now, El2aZeR said:

 

Frankly even if they did there's nothing they can do about it since it'd be admitting that the rework is a gigantic failure.

well small changes could be done that would solve or partially sole some of problems, wee talked about it here many times....but WG does not see a need to tweak a single thing because actual performance of CVs is that bad due players who drives them.

 

Fuel

Radio range

AP bombs

Rockets

etc

 

all parts that could be changed in existing rework...

[El2aZeR]

35 minutes ago, veslingr said:

all parts that could be changed in existing rework...

 

Except the simple truth is as you said. Because the average CV player is such a failure no changes are warranted.

And because the average player is such a failure any such changes would lead to the extinction of the class.

[veslingr]

32 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Except the simple truth is as you said. Because the average CV player is such a failure no changes are warranted.

And because the average player is such a failure any such changes would lead to the extinction of the class.

Sadly yes.

 

Played 2 games today and in both enemie CV was last on scoreboard

[Armorin]

32 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Played 2 games today and in both enemie CV was last on scoreboard

 

The losing teams CV doesn't have to be the last on the scoreboard if you come up against @El2aZeR 

 

If there where no CV's though, and only one BB allowed per match, would a decent BB player be able to get similar win rates to CV's than us average plebs in the BB? We used to do much better in clan battles in the early days when our now THROW player used to make most matches 7v5.